Just by reading the G5 performance primer, it's news to me that the G5 setup doesn't have an L3 cache. Interesting. Although, I think the L3 cache was put into the G4 mix to make it faster than it really was (as even the 900Mhz G3 lacks an L3?)
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Re: Re: Re: That's A Big Box !!
why don't you make it support the desk?!
or a better idea why don't you extend the legs of the desk?
why don't you make it support the desk?!
or a better idea why don't you extend the legs of the desk?
Re: Re: Re: That's A Big Box !!
I know this might sound a bit stupid...but how about getting a new desk?
I know this might sound a bit stupid...but how about getting a new desk?
Re: That's A Big Box !!
Sounds like you need some cinder blocks. I know a guy that made cutouts in his CPU cabinet part of his desk for room for the handles on the G4 (instead of taking them off). The handles stuck out a bit through the top of his desk and he used them for cable running.
The fact that the G5 is 20.1" tall with non removable handles dashes my hopes of spending 1999 on a 1.6 and using it as a rack-mouted server versus 3000 on an xserve.
Originally posted by Fender2112
Anyone know if the handles are removable?. The G5 measures 20.1" and I only have 18.75" under my desk. I didn't realize it was so big. I could set it off to the side but the cabels will most likely be about 2" too short.
Sounds like you need some cinder blocks. I know a guy that made cutouts in his CPU cabinet part of his desk for room for the handles on the G4 (instead of taking them off). The handles stuck out a bit through the top of his desk and he used them for cable running.
The fact that the G5 is 20.1" tall with non removable handles dashes my hopes of spending 1999 on a 1.6 and using it as a rack-mouted server versus 3000 on an xserve.
Re: That's A Big Box !!
I'm assuming that the 20.1" measurement includes the handles?
Originally posted by Fender2112
After seeing the G5 next to that G4, I checked the dimentions and the G5 is not going to fit under my desk, or on top, or under. I may have to put it in the garage.
Anyone know if the handles are removable?. The G5 measures 20.1" and I only have 18.75" under my desk. I didn't realize it was so big. I could set it off to the side but the cabels will most likely be about 2" too short.
I'm assuming that the 20.1" measurement includes the handles?
Yes, and those car "benchmarks" are done by professional drivers, not your average person. Thats why the gas mileage is an estimate.
I also would like to hear from an average user that has a G5, and how it does on PS, Bryce, Painter, downloading photos from a camera, copying from the harddrive to an external drive...
You know, normal day to day chores ;]
Originally posted by mvc
LOL - look, ma, see how far along the bench my mark is!
No, when using a computer 12 hours a day 6 days a week (and having no life), trust me, its all about the interface being Snappy
Thats the only benchmark that matters to me. Bring on Panther and a G5, and then my daily work experience might finally be as snappy as XP on my 1.8ghz P4!
Yeh, we all keep talking about this, and I think we all agree that it's often the little things that save you time and frustration...but seriously, your XP box is snappy and your mac is not? That is really the opposite of my (and many others here experience). I have a pretty new machine at work, and some fairly old macs that we use for dtp/etc. Now those macs aren't speed demons when it comes to processing huge photoshop files, but for zooming in/out resizing the work window you can't beat them.
It may be a memory thing. Probably registry thing too (for windows...) my xp box had a LOT of crud on it while the macs are faily clean. But they are easier to keep clean.
Anyway, it's good to see the G5's arriving. I hope when they start putting the 970 into iMacs that the Powermacs all go to Dp's though. Not only to offset the cost of developing the DP boards, but it should give Apple less of a reason to restrict the consumer machine speeds.
I'm still torn three ways: single 1.2, dual-867, or single 1.8 G5. Though, I'm now leaning towards the single 1.2.
I was amazed at the low scores of the G5, however, I'm still waiting on a few more benchmarks.
I was amazed at the low scores of the G5, however, I'm still waiting on a few more benchmarks.
Well, using both OS 9 and XP, I've found that nothing is as snappy as a well maintained Mac OS 9 running on my G3...I can only imagine how fast it would be on a newer G4 system. It makes XP seem slow, for sure, though. If Panther is as snappy as my PowerBook G3 400 MHz running at 400 MHz, I'd be really happy. If a G5 cannot produce those results, then there is something wrong...
Stella's correct. The memory is running at full bus speed (or vise-versa), making L3 irrelevent. Those 8Gb's ARE your L3
Originally posted by mim
Stella's correct. The memory is running at full bus speed (or vise-versa), making L3 irrelevent. Those 8Gb's ARE your L3
Forgive my ignorance, but the DDR RAM Stevie presented as the G5 using at WWDC is DDR 400Mhz. At best (assuming that DDR means you get double the bandwidth out of it), that only gives you 800Mhz of bandwidth to play with. While this is fine for the 1.6 its not as fast as the system bus in the 1.8 (900Mhz) and the 2.0 (1000Mhz)
Anyone know how this works?
Just remember that the L3 cache on the G4s ran at less than 1/4 the processor speed (250~300MHz), so the only way that the L3 cache of the G4 beats the memory of the G5 is physical distance. Otherwise, the G5 runs circles around the G4's memory architecture.
Well...
Reliability, that's why!
At least the Fiesta would get you there, AND back...
Reliability, that's why!
At least the Fiesta would get you there, AND back...
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
Why drive to the grocery store in a Ford Festiva when you can drive to the grocery store in a twin turbo Lotus?
that's kinda my point, the G5 is a Pro machine, I think it will be used by professionals more than consumers, and some car programmes have lap times rather than from the 0-100 like BBC's Top Gear which gives you a better way to compare cars, so PS FCP and Maya and the like should be better tests to run compiling software code is too, but isn't that what some benchmarks do? I don't know about downloading photos from a camera isn't that dependant on the camera? and weather it uses USB or FW? and the type of storage it has? I don't think the computer has much to do with its speed.
Thank You
MaT
What? Low scores?!?
That thing is as fast as a Dual 1.42 in most tests, and faster in some more! And remember, this is a SINGLE processor.
It would SMOKE a Dual 867 or a Single 1.2GHz G4.
Has xBench fully supported the G5 yet? I think once all the apps that were used are optimized (like photoshop was), there will be better numbers.
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
Why drive to the grocery store in a Ford Festiva when you can drive to the grocery store in a twin turbo Lotus?
Speaking of cars... I was driving through miami today and saw a Delorean...
Unfortunately someone painted it red...
Thats interesting Cinebench is C4D.Until recently G5s have been crashing on the Cinebench OGL test while running 8.1,so something must have been fixed just recently.
When Cinebench was introduced the PCs were on average getting double the Macs scores and we the Mac C4D users took a lot of flak for it was well.
http://www.imashination.com/bench.html
When Cinebench was introduced the PCs were on average getting double the Macs scores and we the Mac C4D users took a lot of flak for it was well.
http://www.imashination.com/bench.html
Just as bad as the dummies that have old corvettes (you know, with popup headlights) and have installed after market `kits' to rid them of it.
Its weird seeing an old vette with bolt on fog lights and headlamps.
The benchmarks suck...
This could be because 10.2.7 isn't close to being the optimal OS for the G5 and/or xBench is not yet set up to test the G5. I'm willing to bet it's both. when 10.3 comes out I imagine the G5 will start to pull away from the pack when it comes to speed.
If I had a Dual G4 >= 1 Ghz, I wouldn't upgrade. The dualies will make up some for the lack of speed. Single processor G4's... probably consider the 1.8 G5 for the PCI-X.
But sadly, I need a small laptop... so I got the 12" powerbook. Damn Military service, I should have got a real job!
This could be because 10.2.7 isn't close to being the optimal OS for the G5 and/or xBench is not yet set up to test the G5. I'm willing to bet it's both. when 10.3 comes out I imagine the G5 will start to pull away from the pack when it comes to speed.
If I had a Dual G4 >= 1 Ghz, I wouldn't upgrade. The dualies will make up some for the lack of speed. Single processor G4's... probably consider the 1.8 G5 for the PCI-X.
But sadly, I need a small laptop... so I got the 12" powerbook. Damn Military service, I should have got a real job!
I've seen a red DeLorean, too...maybe it's the same car...I'm only 35-40 minutes from Miami. It is criminal to paint one, it'd be like someone painting a G5 or PowerBook lime green... *cough Alienware cough*
Yeah but painting a delorean... that's just wrong... I almost pulled over to buy it from him. On the way home, stop by HomeDepot and get paint thinner and start working.