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PowerMac 970 Benchmarks?
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Well, I guess we're back at square one.
I guess we're just going to have to wait and see. Hmmmm.
However, if they can always make FCP faster, I'd be rather happy.
I guess we're just going to have to wait and see. Hmmmm.
However, if they can always make FCP faster, I'd be rather happy.
Hey geniuses at Macwhispers! Sound familiar?
BTW, anyone else having touble accessing macwhispers? I keep getting prompted for a password.
Apple had up to 20% market share in France. Now anywhere between 3 to 6% like in the US. Notice that Apple is not much in the education market in Europe and much more present in SOHO and medical segment.
France is/was the number 3 market for Apple after the US and Japan
Apple Europe IS in France.
Many, many French developpers are behind past and present MacOS, Nextstep and MacOS X system and major applications (bryce, 4D, revolution,...).
Apple expo in France is the largest Apple event IN THE WORLD (anywhere from 80000 to 100000 visitors)
I guess the average situation in Europe must be quite close to the above with 1 exception : Suisse, where apple as 12% market share (also a smaller market ;-)
Well, that one is simple: FinalCut, Shake, FinalCut Express.... all aimed at elminating Adobe from the video production market on the Macintosh.
Apple Stock up $1.64 today
Apple is doing something right. Their music service is obviously most, or all, of this HUGE gain... but perhaps there's more.
$1.64 is the largest single day increase in, perhaps, over a year. Today is a good day to own Apple stock...
Apple is doing something right. Their music service is obviously most, or all, of this HUGE gain... but perhaps there's more.
$1.64 is the largest single day increase in, perhaps, over a year. Today is a good day to own Apple stock...
Re: I do not believe any of this
They run the site on their personnal money, are a very nice group of passionate people ready to help, make great things on their free time (overclocking experiences/DVD dezoning patchs,...)
This is wrong, simplistic and frankly insulting.
After all the Anti French post in the political corner (where it belong) I would have appreciated that you refrein yourself from this type of "humoristic" post... or that you created a thread in the political corner of the forum. not here!
I am offended by your comment about the fact of MacB being French.
They run the site on their personnal money, are a very nice group of passionate people ready to help, make great things on their free time (overclocking experiences/DVD dezoning patchs,...)
This is wrong, simplistic and frankly insulting.
After all the Anti French post in the political corner (where it belong) I would have appreciated that you refrein yourself from this type of "humoristic" post... or that you created a thread in the political corner of the forum. not here!
I am offended by your comment about the French people
If you still think that it is appropriate to paly the French Bashing tune, than create a thread in the political corner of the forum. not here!
Not really. OF COURSE the numbers will be fairly reasonable. If the benchmarks showed the 970 to be 10 times faster than the Pentium 4, or to be no faster than the G4, then everybody would know that they are fakes. So whoever fabricated them tried to make them look at least somewhat reasonable, which by extension means that they are going to look around where many of us might be expecting them to be.
It's like if I were going to make up a release date for the PowerMac 970. I would say something like, say, August 14, 2003, because many people on this board might believe that. I would NOT say July 2006, because nobody would believe that (although sadly many might believe it if I said May 6, 2003...some might even believe it if I said May 1, 2003). But if you knew that in fact I did not have any inside information, you would say, "I know this guy is faking the August 14, 2003 date, but nevertheless I think that they might come out sometime around late summer, because that is a pretty good guess (which is why he chose it)."
Okay, this is getting absurd.
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Look, I have been a Mac fan since the mid-80s, and I have never thought of switching to the Dark Side for a second, and I want Apple to start shipping faster hardware as much as anyone else on this board, and I do think that we will see PPC 970 machines this year. But I don't let that totally distort my view of reality such that I am in a complete state of denial.
Now, the reason that what you are suggesting wrt Bryce is completely absurd is that you are somehow assuming that Bryce CAN take advantage of dual processors on the 970 machine but CANNOT take advantage of dual processors on the DP G4!!! If this new, unreleased version of Bryce could in fact take advantage of multiple processors, then the DP G4 would be faster than the single P4, because BareFeats made it quite clear that when testing using just one 1.42 Ghz G4, Bryce was almost as fast as the 3.06 Ghz P4. So a version of Bryce that used both processors would certainly have rendered that scene as fast on the DP G4 as it did on the SP P4, if not faster. So we KNOW that the version of Bryce being used on the G4 and the P4 does not use multiple processors, because otherwise the DP G4 would see some gain relative to the SP P4 vis a vis the BareFeats results, and it doesn't.
But let me guess - now you think that maybe MacBd got ahold of a special, MP capable Pentium 4 that Intel has not yet released or even announced, just to run this test? (and that is why the DP G4 is not as fast as the P4) I mean, in your world they already have the special pre-release versions of the 970, OS X, and Bryce - why not Intel hardware too? Heck, maybe they have a faster-than-light starship and a cure for AIDS sitting around in their lab too, that they just haven't bothered to announce to the world yet.
Wow, that is SUCH a realistic scenario. Because I am sure that NOBODY at Apple would EVER have access to a DP G4 to use as an actual control for this test. It is not like the DP G4 is PRODUCED BY APPLE COMPUTER or anything like that!! Clearly they would need to go to an outside source to get these results, even though that would totally compromise the validity of the test.
I can much more easily see the following situation: Somebody copies stuff from BareFeats and makes up the 970 results, but is too dumb to even make them consistent or change them slightly so they are not an exact copy of BareFeats. Thus most of us are not fooled in the slightest, although some are so desperate to believe that MacBd has been telling the truth over the past month that they concoct bizarre and implausible stories to justify the glaring inconsistencies in the data.
In fact, according to your story, it would be a WILDLY INACCURATE test for comparing the machines, because he would be comparing the SP version of Bryce running on a DP G4 1.42 to the DP version of Bryce running on a DP 970 1.8. Of course the latter setup is going to be much faster - unlike the former setup, it takes advantage of the dual processors! (the SP 970 1.4 vs. DP G4 1.42 would be a somewhat better comparison...if it weren't faked, which it is...but presumably the new version of Bryce would have many optimizations, not just MP awareness, so it still wouldn't be a good test) So what you are really saying is that even if the results are real, then they are mostly garbage anyway, because other important factors, like the degree of optimization in the software, is not being held constant across the machines being tested!
Great. This is like saying, "I have no opinion, one way or the other, about whether the world is flat or round." One shouldn't be agnostic about things when the evidence is quite clear. And the weight of the evidence on this one is such that it is very hard to NOT unamibiguously conclude that these are fakes.
Maybe it's because some of the most advanced r&d in CPU for both IBM (and Motorola starting in 2005) is done in France!
Originally posted by Trimix
Have VISA, have AMEX, and ready to splurge !
You, me, and probably a lot of other people who aren't being too badly affected by the economy.
But now let's be realistic.
Assume Apple has the product in the pipeline.
Assume too that the Benchmarks are this good.
The $64K Question: exactly when are you going to announce?
Afterall, if you want people to buy an expensive discretionary item, they have to be ready to buy, which means higher Consumer Confidence - - not to be in fear that their last paycheck will be the last.
April 29, 2003
The Conference Board's Consumer Confidence Index, which had been on the decline for the past four months, improved sharply in April. The Index now stands at 81.0 (1985=100), up from 61.4 in March. The Expectations Index rose to 84.8 from 61.4. The Present Situation Index improved to 75.3 from 61.4.
- http://www.conference-board.org/economics/consumer.cfm
Sounds promising, and the Market was up last week. But last Friday's unemployment numbers were up again, which is a negative. Also it should be little suprise that the CCI was up again in April - - afterall, it hit a 9 year low in February.
In the meantime, how does Apple's logistics look? Specifically:
... how many days worth of Inventory is Apple currently carrying on the likely obsolete models?
....and what's been tagged as EOL'ed?
If inventories are high and nothing's been EOL'ed, how likely do we think it is that Apple's going to announce, even if the product is literally already "in the pipeline" on the way to US warehouses.
Overall, I'd say that the marketplace is warming up to think about buying this kind of product, but Apple's inventory is the current 'big unknown'. I'm sure someone who knows his NDA rules thoroughly can make a general comment on Apple Inventory levels...for example, I really doubt that they're in that "<7 days" range like they used to be.
-hh
Re: I do not believe any of this
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In the Apple rumor industry, there are 3 big sites. Macrumors ( basically a big site that report daily rumors ), thinksecret who's always right and macbidouille, who is also always right. (mdd pics, mdd board pix), etc.
Trust me, they would not deceive us like that.
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In the Apple rumor industry, there are 3 big sites. Macrumors ( basically a big site that report daily rumors ), thinksecret who's always right and macbidouille, who is also always right. (mdd pics, mdd board pix), etc.
Trust me, they would not deceive us like that.
Calm down everyone. I think that all of those comments were made in jest-they are just making a very mundane connection for a joke. I don't think that they were made in anger. However, I think it is important that people understand many Americans do feel a great deal of animosity towards the French; whether it be justified or not.
Anyway, I think we have pretty much dismissed these "benchmarks" in part because of the Bryce thing and also because of the duplication of the barefeets numbers. (And not not because MacB is French!
)Hello all,
I'am french but I found interesting to notice that when this rumor began to spread widely (I mean, US Mac Rumor websites, Slashdot...) only a few minutes after the AAPL share went up 10% with an impressive amount of shares on the market (28M)
You can see a graph here :
http://www.boursorama.com/cours.phtml?symbole=AAPL
if this rumor is wrong, it still has made it to the NASDAQ.
Wtach for APPL in the near future ^_^
I'am french but I found interesting to notice that when this rumor began to spread widely (I mean, US Mac Rumor websites, Slashdot...) only a few minutes after the AAPL share went up 10% with an impressive amount of shares on the market (28M)
You can see a graph here :
http://www.boursorama.com/cours.phtml?symbole=AAPL
if this rumor is wrong, it still has made it to the NASDAQ.
Wtach for APPL in the near future ^_^
Re: Re: I do not believe any of this
why do you sink to his level? as an american, let me say that most people here aren't as dumb as to be all about hating france.. though what's up with "idiot cheese"?? and yes, this all belongs in political forum or not on the site at all
as for thinksecret and macbidouille *always* being right.... i find that hard to believe. i'm not going to go back and find specific rumors they predicted that didn't pan out, but let's be honest... no one's "always" right.
why do you sink to his level? as an american, let me say that most people here aren't as dumb as to be all about hating france.. though what's up with "idiot cheese"?? and yes, this all belongs in political forum or not on the site at all
as for thinksecret and macbidouille *always* being right.... i find that hard to believe. i'm not going to go back and find specific rumors they predicted that didn't pan out, but let's be honest... no one's "always" right.
I think this is more likely the reason:
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2003/may/05musicstore.html
but who can tell
arn
Originally posted by Freg3000
Anyway, I think we have pretty much dismissed these "benchmarks" in part because of the Bryce thing and also because of the duplication of the barefeets numbers. (And not not because MacB is French!
Although everyone seems focused on the Bryce numbers, the Photoshop numbers are suspect also. The numbers are the same as BareFeats' "SP Actions" benchmarks. These are actions that are chosen because they are not multiprocessor aware.
However, according to the MacB results, the "Actions" benchmarks are significantly helped by a second processor. That doesn't square.
But I do have to hand it to MacB on this one. They are putting the reputation on the line with specific rumors.
I hope this rumor is true 'cause I would love to have a dual 1.25 gig g4 at an even lower price. That's enough power for me.
Re: Apple Stock up $1.64 today
I told you guys last week to buy AAPL, when it was around $13.
I hope you listened.
Originally posted by Frobozz
Apple is doing something right. Their music service is obviously most, or all, of this HUGE gain... but perhaps there's more.
$1.64 is the largest single day increase in, perhaps, over a year. Today is a good day to own Apple stock...
I told you guys last week to buy AAPL, when it was around $13.
I hope you listened.
I bought 5,000 apple stock, a few weeks ago, when the rumors, about the music service . So i watch the stock price like a Hawk.
In the morning the news about 110,000 orders for ipods where in, and the info about selling 1mil songs in the first week.
At 2.45 i called my office and found out, the fedex had dropped of my new 30gig, drove to office and came home around 3.30.
At 2.45 when i left the stock price was up around 40 cents
At 3.30 when i returned the stock was up 2 dollars.
Around 3:15 something caused this stock to sky rocket, what is was i'm not sure, no more finicial news of apple was released to finicial sites, and the info about ipods and music service where known since the beginning of the day.
What time did the story get posted ?
But it could have been just market flucations
In the morning the news about 110,000 orders for ipods where in, and the info about selling 1mil songs in the first week.
At 2.45 i called my office and found out, the fedex had dropped of my new 30gig, drove to office and came home around 3.30.
At 2.45 when i left the stock price was up around 40 cents
At 3.30 when i returned the stock was up 2 dollars.
Around 3:15 something caused this stock to sky rocket, what is was i'm not sure, no more finicial news of apple was released to finicial sites, and the info about ipods and music service where known since the beginning of the day.
What time did the story get posted ?
But it could have been just market flucations
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A bunch of things:
OK, I have to post on a few things here:
1. Apple Legal wouldn't go after this even if it were true. It's just benchmark numbers. That's not trademarks, intellectual property or corporate secrets. The ONLY time Apple Legal's actions should be used to judge the validity of a rumor is when they actually swoop down and pull something. Then you can guess that it was real.
2. No rumor site is ALWAYS right. Thinksecret made a bunch of 100% predictions just before last macworld and a bunch of them were wrong. MacRumors has been on a hot streak lately, especially since the last minute Powerbook call that nobody else had, but they've been wrong before too. MacB has a pretty good record, indicating that they probably have some genuine inside sources, but that doesn't mean somebody can't give them false information.
3. It seems to me that MacWhispers had a pretty good call on the iPod USB/FW cable. They didn't know what it was, but they knew it existed. That means they (he) was talking to somebody that knew something. Jack Cambell may suck at life, but I'm not going to take macwhispers off my bookmark page until he guesses wrong a few more times. And conversely, it will move up on my list if we see 30" lcds, aluminum fronts on the next powermacs, or the 7" tablet thing. Even if he's making stuff up, at least it's fairly interesting stuff, and he hasn't suckered me into buying anything from his shill stores, so what do I care?
4. I can't remember the fourth thing.
Stonermonkey
OK, I have to post on a few things here:
1. Apple Legal wouldn't go after this even if it were true. It's just benchmark numbers. That's not trademarks, intellectual property or corporate secrets. The ONLY time Apple Legal's actions should be used to judge the validity of a rumor is when they actually swoop down and pull something. Then you can guess that it was real.
2. No rumor site is ALWAYS right. Thinksecret made a bunch of 100% predictions just before last macworld and a bunch of them were wrong. MacRumors has been on a hot streak lately, especially since the last minute Powerbook call that nobody else had, but they've been wrong before too. MacB has a pretty good record, indicating that they probably have some genuine inside sources, but that doesn't mean somebody can't give them false information.
3. It seems to me that MacWhispers had a pretty good call on the iPod USB/FW cable. They didn't know what it was, but they knew it existed. That means they (he) was talking to somebody that knew something. Jack Cambell may suck at life, but I'm not going to take macwhispers off my bookmark page until he guesses wrong a few more times. And conversely, it will move up on my list if we see 30" lcds, aluminum fronts on the next powermacs, or the 7" tablet thing. Even if he's making stuff up, at least it's fairly interesting stuff, and he hasn't suckered me into buying anything from his shill stores, so what do I care?
4. I can't remember the fourth thing.
Stonermonkey
Re: A bunch of things:
Really? I read ThinkSecret's 100% predictions just before the expo and as I recall every one of them was on the money. I don't know if they're always right, but I personally don't remember the last time they were wrong. On the other hand, they only seem to post rumors that they consider to be fact as far as I can tell, so they're unfair to compare to other sites.