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I was wondering if you have any updates for this thread. It sounds like you have a complete collection of G4 models up to the top-of-the-line MDD. Were you able to overclock the 7448 any further? Any luck figuring out the NVRAM script? Any developments with the L3 on the Quicksilver?

Anyway, interesting thread you have here...
things are still waiting their turn :) when I do have updates to post dont worry ill post em :)

I just have very limited space, so when I move onto something else other projects are forced to take a backseat

(its for example why I have not done any soldering projects in a fair while as that takes up a lot of space time resources and energy etc)


on the NVRAM script @DearthnVader took it apart a bit, but I still dont know exactly what its doing

other then obviously we know its tricking OS X into thinking its booting on a 7447A but how exactly it does that I dont know sadly,

I do wonder if it could be modified to A: work on Macs that natively support the 7448, ie all the 4.9.x BootROM Macs, as current it does not work on those so ironically those Macs cannot boot OS X when fitted with a 7448

and B if it can be used to make OS X think a 7447A is a 7447 or even 7445 so 10.2.x and 10.1.x have proper processor recognition or even make a 970FX masquerade as a 970 to finally boot 10.2.8 on a 2.7 G5 :) )

 
so some time has passed since I last posted in this thread!

but recently I have managed to get a couple of my PowerMac G4's out to play

and then I went a bit mad scientist :)

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Yes I managed to "cram" a Quadro FX 4500 into my sawtooth, Almost! this is something I have been wanting to try for a long time now which is take a PCI to PCIe Bridge and see if a PCIe G5 GPU would work with one

I got the bridge a while ago https://www.startech.com/en-gb/cards-adapters/pci1pex1

and did confirm it did work in a PowerMac G4 and a PCIe device was seen, but it was only until now was I able to put everything together with a suitable GPU, and most awesomely OpenFirmware can load an Option ROM on the card despite the bridge :)
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sadly this is as far as I am able to get, since for some reason, OpenFirmware hangs trying to output via the card, the monitor will activate, but then stay dark and OF will hang, I took the above picture with another GPU (in the AGP slot) to provide an output

with another GPU providing output, and nothing plugged into the FX 4500 I am able to see it in OpenFirmware as above, but trying to boot OS X just leads to a kernel panic on the NVIDIA Resman drivers

(the exact same happens in my Quicksilver as well for those curious)

but its still pretty awesome to see that OF will load an fCode Option ROM from a PCIe GPU through a PCI to PCIe bridge, I have a GeForce 6600 buried in my PowerMac G5 Quad but that itself is a bit buried atm, but will be interesting to try that and see what that does when I am able to unearth it

it would be quite interesting to try an ATI Radeon X1900 with this setup

and also be quite interesting to try this setup in a G3 Blue and white :) again I have one but its also currently buried!


and for what its worth with the card un-flashed I am able to make it into OS X but obviously its not going to do anything being un-flashed! (other then Load NV40HAL)

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and also be quite interesting to try this setup in a G3 Blue and white :) again I have one but its also currently buried!
well this is very interesting! I managed to unearth an MDD and my G3 Blue and white, while the MDD does the same thing as the Sawtooth and QS,

the G3 blue and white does actually give me an image output!

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it alternates between these 2 and sometimes gives me a black screen with white dots/pixels, depending on what exactly I call at boot up (be it the OF prompt or let it go to flashing folder)

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its not a good one and I think OF is still hanging, but its certainly different and now has me wondering if the card is whats bad or a bad flash

I did verify the card worked in windows just fine before flashing it, but I have not actually been able to test it in my G5 Quad since flashing it

so looks like I may have to unearth that still to verify the FX 4500 and test the GeForce 6600 from it as well

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well this is very interesting! I managed to unearth an MDD and my G3 Blue and white, while the MDD does the same thing as the Sawtooth and QS,

the G3 blue and white does actually give me an image output!

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it alternates between these 2 and sometimes gives me a black screen with white dots/pixels, depending on what exactly I call at boot up (be it the OF prompt or let it go to flashing folder)

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its not a good one and I think OF is still hanging, but its certainly different and now has me wondering if the card is whats bad or a bad flash

I did verify the card worked in windows just fine before flashing it, but I have not actually been able to test it in my G5 Quad since flashing it

so looks like I may have to unearth that still to verify the FX 4500 and test the GeForce 6600 from it as well

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@joevt said something about extra configuration space for PCI-E vs PCI, so the garbled video output is not an unexpected outcome of this testing.

Perhaps he can clarify and elaborate?

What I would be interested in is NVME testing, if we could get a basic NVME driver for Tiger or Leopard we could use the "Helper Drive" to boot OS X.
 
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Tada! I now have the fastest graphically accelerated G3 blue and white on the planet LOL

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although the Quadro FX 4500 did not work, I still wanted to persever with this, so I unearthed by G5 Quad, and did verify the Quadro FX 4500 does work fine in that (which is good because my last FX 4500 up and died a while back!)

and I dug out the GeForce 6600 from it, since although the Quadro did not work with this setup, I knew that the GeForce 6200 PCI that I use with my G3 Blue and white from time to time, uses a ROM that is based off of the 6600, so I figured anything has a chance of working it would be the 6600

and so low and behold I jabbed it into the G3 blue and white, got to an OF Prompt and it promptly booted Tiger no problems!

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its really awesome to see this mad cap idea that I have had rattling around in my head for so many years does actually work!

I do wonder why the Quadro FX 4500 does not work, it would be interesting to see what a GeForce 7800 GT would do, I dont think anyone has ever used the Quadro FX 4500 ROM in any pre G5/OpenFirmware 4 setting (since the GeForce 7800 GS ROM is based off of the 7800 GT ROM im pretty sure)

so I do wonder if its simply a case of the Quadro FX 4500 ROM is incompatible with OpenFirmware 3 for some reason, or is it a memory space/configuration issue?

this also means I now have a G3 blue and white with a dual link DVI port, defo going to have to test that out :) and of course attention turns back to the ATI Radeon X1900, I am REALLY curious to see what one of those would do, and if it does work if it works in an Old World Mac? Core Image in a G3 beige or 9600 at long last?



as a side note Startech made a PCI-X to PCIe x4 adapter, sadly its been discontinued for a couple years now, but would be good for something like this to extract maximum performance, if your say intending to use such a setup in a G3/G4's 64 bit PCI slot

 
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it says PowerPC G3 because thats the early OS X's default name for an Unknown CPU (its running in PPC generic mode) I do wonder if I can futz with the PowerLogix OS X 7448 NVRAMRC script to get it to make the CPU pretend to be a 7445 rather then a 7447A as it normally does, but i need to figure out how said script works/what it does exactly first!

(no public OS X version supports the 7448 natively, while earlier OS X versions up to 10.2.8 will boot on an unknown CPU later versions wont, so PowerLogix needed an NVRAM script to get those later OS X versions booting)

here it is for those wondering (note its diffrent to simple just changing the cpu-version property in Open Firmware, as OS X actually checks the PVR it seems rather then just looking at the OF device tree like the Mac OS 8.6/9.x ROM does)

Code:
 " "(F1084C2A00000103120A6465766963652D656E64CDA5CA065F2E6C2E72310800B8A5CA065F2E6C2E72320801B812192F6F70656E70726F6D2F636C69656E742D7365727669636573120B66696E642D646576696365CD120B5B275D2071756965736365CDC30800CA07717569657363650802B708001D08011DC2120A6465766963652D656E64CDCA055F2E6C2E720803B7120C00000024FFFF0000800300001000004000B14A4AA74EA74EA74E7AA53C1400205210000000041E4710FFF80000497310800000004910000000041E7333B24A10000000041E471003FFFFF83C14FFC54652C2120470767240CD10FFFF00002310800400003C140009110803C30801B200)" dup -rot alloc-mem dup 2swap -rot move 1 byte-load \

it is interestingly partly some sort of hex string
It's fcode. The nvramrc script moves the bytes to a buffer in memory and executes it with byte-load. I'm not sure why they execute as fcode instead of as forth text since the forth text that compiles the fcode appears to be shorter than their nvram script.
I'm not sure what the fcode does. It seems to want to execute the code in _.l.r after the quiesce word in /openprom/client-services is executed but only if the pvr's upper 16 bits are set to 0x8004 which identifies the CPU as 7448, Apollo 8. If it's not an Apollo 8 then the script probably throws an error after quiesce since they didn't set _.l.r2 in the non-Apollo 8 case.

Not sure what quiesce is. Maybe it's what gets executed before transferring to the boot rom file? I am totally guessing.

_.l.r appears to be looking for a string of bytes at 4000 (where the boot rom file is loaded? totally guessing). The string of bytes it's looking for is 0000 0024 FFFF 0000 8003 0000. I think it's changing the last eight bytes to FFF8 0000 8000 0000. Maybe the first 4 bytes is a mask of bits to modify and the last 4 bytes is the new value for the masked bits.

Totally guessing. I did not google quiesce, or look at the rom file or examine the fcode very closely.


on the NVRAM script @DearthnVader took it apart a bit, but I still dont know exactly what its doing

other then obviously we know its tricking OS X into thinking its booting on a 7447A but how exactly it does that I dont know sadly,
Reading that thread, I see @DearthnVader did detok the fcode and @dosdude1 did convert the detok result to fcode. My DumpPCIRom.sh script does it automatically in one step. @dosdude1's final solution to the nvramrc script was to split the 259 byte string literal into 131 bytes and 128 bytes. Probably a good idea since the string literal buffers are probably limited to 256 bytes and 259 bytes would overflow a buffer possibly causing a hang (3 bytes would overwrite whatever was after the second buffer but only if the string was being placed in the second buffer - the nvramrc script would not have a problem if the string were being placed in the first buffer as it is immediately followed by the second buffer).
I only checked the buffers in Open Firmware 2.4 - I did not try later Open Firmware versions. The way to check this is to create two strings, and dump the stack to see where they were stored.
Code:
" hello"
" there"
" !!!!!!"
.s
We try to occupy 3 buffers. In Open Firmware 2.4, there's only two buffers, so the last string would overwrite the first string. The stack result should show that the first and third string are in the same buffer and that the buffers are 256 bytes apart.

Instead of using alloc-mem, the byte stings could maybe be placed in the dictionary and executed from there?
Code:
" "(1234)" encode-bytes " "(1234)" encode-bytes encode+ drop 1 byte-load

@joevt said something about extra configuration space for PCI-E vs PCI, so the garbled video output is not an unexpected outcome of this testing.

Perhaps he can clarify and elaborate?

What I would be interested in is NVME testing, if we could get a basic NVME driver for Tiger or Leopard we could use the "Helper Drive" to boot OS X.
I don't think extended config space is a problem if it's not used. You can try the lspci for Open Firmware command.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...eige-power-macintosh-g3.2303689/post-31364424
A PCI Express card will have an Express Capability Structure. This has a bunch of PCI express info (lanes, link rate, etc) but I don't think it indicates if a PCIe card uses extended configuration space.
I don't know if it's possible for a PCI host to read from extended configuration space. Maybe there's something in the PCI to PCIe bridge.
I haven't looked at trying to read from extended configuration space on my Quad G5 while in Open Firmware.
I would like to have a version of pciutils that works on PowerPC Macs. It would require a DirectHW.kext port.
 

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Managed to win an ATI X1900 GT on eBay from someone in France this morning, who has clearly just ripped all the content in their listing from the popular new OEM X1900 GT listing thats on US eBay

so place bets now as to what will actually show up LOL but hopefully it is actually an X1900 GT or other such R580/R580+ card so I can flash it and see how it does with this whole whacky setup :)

and speaking of, I can confirm that the NVIDIA GeForce 6600 with this setup works in my FW800 MDD and works in Leopard was well :) in Leopard it hangs at a white screen for about a minute before the window server finally comes up, but I think thats just the temperature sensor hang up that happens with GeForce 6xxx/7xxx cards in G4's if you have not removed the temperature sensor component from their ROM

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(I should of plopped in an AGP video card just to get system profiler to display both "PCIe" and "AGP" under bus type in graphics and displays LOL)

it is a shame that I dont think theres any way to properly install this setup into a PowerMac G3/G4
 
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this also means I now have a G3 blue and white with a dual link DVI port, defo going to have to test that out :)

can confirm the dual link DVI port does indeed work as expected! (via a Atlona AT-DP400 that @Amethyst1 very kindly sent me a while back) I think this is the first time anyones done such high resolutions on a G3 blue and white :) certainly the first time Dual link DVI has been done for sure! (maybe someone hooked up a big Bertha back in the day LOL)

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it is a shame that I dont think theres any way to properly install this setup into a PowerMac G3/G4

I gave this some thought, and although I cant install this setup internally, I bought myself one of those PCIe 1x through a USB 3.0 A to A cable to PCIe x16 risers, you see most commonly used in crypto currency mining rigs

as this is much more flexible (literally!) then the PCIe 1x to 16 ribbon cable riser im currently using, and the "USB" cable should let me fairly neatly route it outside of the system through the open PCI slot that the PCI to PCIe adapter is installed in, and have the GPU free standing externally

like some early 2000's version of an eGPU LOL hopefully it works! I know these risers can be a bit hit or miss, but should be a lot less kludgey then my current setup and let me actually close the door on the PowerMac!
 
I gave this some thought, and although I cant install this setup internally, I bought myself one of those PCIe 1x through a USB 3.0 A to A cable to PCIe x16 risers, you see most commonly used in crypto currency mining rigs

as this is much more flexible (literally!) then the PCIe 1x to 16 ribbon cable riser im currently using, and the "USB" cable should let me fairly neatly route it outside of the system through the open PCI slot that the PCI to PCIe adapter is installed in, and have the GPU free standing externally

like some early 2000's version of an eGPU LOL hopefully it works! I know these risers can be a bit hit or miss, but should be a lot less kludgey then my current setup and let me actually close the door on the PowerMac!
this arrived yesterday and I put it together today and can confirm it works nicely :) and I am able to close the door on the G3 blue and white and plop it on top of the machine, rather then spread it across the motherboard in a very janky fashion! and everything still works as previously :)

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its still fairly cable spaghetti, but a lot neater then previously! and since I can now close the door, should allow me to do more experiments with my other machines without fear of cooking their CPUs!

my only concern is the little "PCIe 1x to USB 3.0" PCB is not supported by anything much so could work lose over time (esp as the fairly stiff USB cable is moved), and thus ideally that could do with some support bracket being made up if you where to get really serious with all of this

but this should work nicely as is for experiments etc :)
 
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this arrived yesterday and I put it together today and can confirm it works nicely :) and I am able to close the door on the G3 blue and white and plop it on top of the machine, rather then spread it across the motherboard in a very janky fashion! and everything still works as previously :)

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its still fairly cable spaghetti, but a lot neater then previously! and since I can now close the door, should allow me to do more experiments with my other machines without fear of cooking their CPUs!

my only concern is the little "PCIe 1x to USB 3.0" PCB is not supported by anything much so could work lose over time (esp as the fairly stiff USB cable is moved), and thus ideally that could do with some support bracket being made up if you where to get really serious with all of this

but this should work nicely as is for experiments etc :)
That's a nice piece of kit, mind sharing a link to where you got it from?

Looks a lot like my PCI-E to PCI kit.
 
That's a nice piece of kit, mind sharing a link to where you got it from?

Looks a lot like my PCI-E to PCI kit.

its this


plus this (theres lots of these risers available I made sure to get one that looked to have a good amount of filtering and shielding to keep signal integrity good, and I like the multiple power supply plug options)


and the molex extension/splitter came with my FireGL X3 :)
 
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its this


plus this (theres lots of these risers available I made sure to get one that looked to have a good amount of filtering and shielding to keep signal integrity good, and I like the multiple power supply plug options)


and the molex extension/splitter came with my FireGL X3 :)
Cool, thanks!

May the 4th be with you.
 
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I plan to figure out the core voltage dip switches and see just how far I can clock this puppy! :) the CPU itself is rated for 1600Mhz and was made on the 29th week 2008
Did you get any further with this inbetween?

I'm not as lucky as you to own a 7448. But in my Cube i have a nice Dual 7447a with VRM bypass, which has this core voltage dipswitches too. The card is running solid at 1.6. But i see all those guys running 7447a's at >2GHz. So, with rising the voltage a bit, there should be more possible. I think the CPUs are rated 1.5, so should be stable at least up to 1.8. But, as the settings for the multiplier are everywhere, i was not able to find anything about these core voltage switches all over the g*d*mmn internet.
 
Did you get any further with this inbetween?

I'm not as lucky as you to own a 7448. But in my Cube i have a nice Dual 7447a with VRM bypass, which has this core voltage dipswitches too. The card is running solid at 1.6. But i see all those guys running 7447a's at >2GHz. So, with rising the voltage a bit, there should be more possible. I think the CPUs are rated 1.5, so should be stable at least up to 1.8. But, as the settings for the multiplier are everywhere, i was not able to find anything about these core voltage switches all over the g*d*mmn internet.

still need to look into it! only just got the sawtooth somewhat un-buried and then been distracted by PCI Bridge shenanigans :) (most things still are like my G3 beige and 9600 sadly)

but it should not be too hard to figure out just need to look up the data-sheet for the voltage controller IC on the card

where there will usually be a chart telling you how to set the voltage level you require which you can then map out to the dip switches :)

however its worth noting 7447A/B's get quite toasty when clocked hard so make sure you have good cooling in place!
 
however its worth noting 7447A/B's get quite toasty when clocked hard so make sure you have good cooling in place!
Hmmm, so better leave it as it as. Nothing mor e annoying than a loud Cube. And enough time wasted in the last weeks anyway. 😝
 
Hmmm, so better leave it as it as. Nothing mor e annoying than a loud Cube. And enough time wasted in the last weeks anyway. 😝

well dont forget 7448's are pin compatible with 7447A/B's ill just throw that out there :)

you could also try clocking up the FSB to get some more memory bandwidth :)

 
well dont forget 7448's are pin compatible with 7447A/B's ill just throw that out there :)
Does not help much if one neither has the parts nor the skills to solder them. 😕
you could also try clocking up the FSB to get some more memory bandwidth :)
Think it was in the long closed Cube Owner Forum, where the conclusion was this is potentially causing more stability issues than bringing noticable advantage.
 
however its worth noting 7447A/B's get quite toasty when clocked hard so make sure you have good cooling in place!
Thanks again for this note!

It triggered curiosity which made me fire up my Cube after a long time of just collecting dust...

...just to see/feel, that - even with the clocks at 1.6 - it seemed to be running way too hot! Constant smell of burning dust came out of the top grill and even optical disks felt hot when ejected. Two CPUs seem to deliver heat alot better than one does. And not running all the time might seriously have saved the life of the unit.

So first thing i did, was attaching the base fan to 12 volts instead of 5 (how could i ever?). It's now not as "unaudible" anymore. But the more important thing: Hot air is noticeably transported out of the box! (Which wasn't the case before).

Another thing, which i had almost forgotten about, was, how the particular breed of 6200 i have in there crushes the usual 6200s! 😎

Here is, how it compares to a "normal" other AGP-card like i. e. the XFX, clocked at 350/266.

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The thing about that card, an actively cooled low profile one by Club 3D, is that it is equipped with memory modules rated 400MHz, which could be safely run at 450. And also the GPU, with 430, runs at a much higher speed as 6200 standard. These clocks where even in the PC-ROM of the card, so should be safe to use (active cooling provided!). But 430/450 vs. 350/266 seems to make quite some difference. It more than compensates the 64bit-disadvantage to the 128bit cards like the Radeon 9000/9200 and is in fact more than half of what a power hungry "monster" like the 9800pro comes up with.

So, for the Cube, this should be the card to get!

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(Blower cooler by Radeon 9600xt)
 
Thanks again for this note!

It triggered curiosity which made me fire up my Cube after a long time of just collecting dust...

...just to see/feel, that - even with the clocks at 1.6 - it seemed to be running way too hot! Constant smell of burning dust came out of the top grill and even optical disks felt hot when ejected. Two CPUs seem to deliver heat alot better than one does. And not running all the time might seriously have saved the life of the unit.

So first thing i did, was attaching the base fan to 12 volts instead of 5 (how could i ever?). It's now not as "unaudible" anymore. But the more important thing: Hot air is noticeably transported out of the box! (Which wasn't the case before).

Another thing, which i had almost forgotten about, was, how the particular breed of 6200 i have in there crushes the usual 6200s! 😎

Here is, how it compares to a "normal" other AGP-card like i. e. the XFX, clocked at 350/266.

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The thing about that card, an actively cooled low profile one by Club 3D, is that it is equipped with memory modules rated 400MHz, which could be safely run at 450. And also the GPU, with 430, runs at a much higher speed as 6200 standard. These clocks where even in the PC-ROM of the card, so should be safe to use (active cooling provided!). But 430/450 vs. 350/266 seems to make quite some difference. It more than compensates the 64bit-disadvantage to the 128bit cards like the Radeon 9000/9200 and is in fact more than half of what a power hungry "monster" like the 9800pro comes up with.

So, for the Cube, this should be the card to get!

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(Blower cooler by Radeon 9600xt)

I am just curious have you tried some more benchmarks then just the OpenGL viewer one?

just to give a wider spread incase for some reason it say uncharacteristically favours one setup over another?


on the cube video card front, there is a very rare Radeon 9800 Pro built on a 9700 board which you can cram into a G4 cube :)
 
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I am just curious have you tried some more benchmarks then just the OpenGL viewer one?
In others it is not just as "dramatic" as for OpenGL Extensions Viewer. With OpenMark i get around 7500. But there the "normal" 6139, a 6200 gets vs. +/- 9000 of a Rad 9800 are more than questinable anyway.

Sadly the most real life like benchmarks of Unigine are Intel-only. But if you know some other i could test, would be a pleasure to do so.
on the cube video card front, there is a very rare Radeon 9800 Pro built on a 9700 board which you can cram into a G4 cube :)
It's some kind of "philosophic" consideration. But for me a "Cube-card" is only, what can run safely in the stock enclosure (which - at least to me - is what finally makes a Cube the Cube). And that's exactly what these Radeon 9xxx cards, even if they physically fit, are very far from.

I also fitted the 6800xt in. Even solderd cables instead of the power connector in, to provide a molex connection which fitted inside.

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Was able to run it with a Giga-C-VRM. With the Apple one the Cube instantly shut down as soon as any 3D load was thrown at the card. But within the closed box, the card totally overheated within minutes even with a strong and loud fan and just idling at the desktop.

So no Cube card at all. It's now the one i use in the Sawtooth, where it gets the air to breathe it needs and does a nice job.
 
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Thanks again for this note!

It triggered curiosity which made me fire up my Cube after a long time of just collecting dust...

...just to see/feel, that - even with the clocks at 1.6 - it seemed to be running way too hot! Constant smell of burning dust came out of the top grill and even optical disks felt hot when ejected. Two CPUs seem to deliver heat alot better than one does. And not running all the time might seriously have saved the life of the unit.

So first thing i did, was attaching the base fan to 12 volts instead of 5 (how could i ever?). It's now not as "unaudible" anymore. But the more important thing: Hot air is noticeably transported out of the box! (Which wasn't the case before).

Another thing, which i had almost forgotten about, was, how the particular breed of 6200 i have in there crushes the usual 6200s! 😎

Here is, how it compares to a "normal" other AGP-card like i. e. the XFX, clocked at 350/266.

View attachment 2066312
View attachment 2066317
The thing about that card, an actively cooled low profile one by Club 3D, is that it is equipped with memory modules rated 400MHz, which could be safely run at 450. And also the GPU, with 430, runs at a much higher speed as 6200 standard. These clocks where even in the PC-ROM of the card, so should be safe to use (active cooling provided!). But 430/450 vs. 350/266 seems to make quite some difference. It more than compensates the 64bit-disadvantage to the 128bit cards like the Radeon 9000/9200 and is in fact more than half of what a power hungry "monster" like the 9800pro comes up with.

So, for the Cube, this should be the card to get!

View attachment 2066344

(Blower cooler by Radeon 9600xt)
So you took the cooler off a 9600xt?

Did you fashion that PCI bracket yourself?

Nice card BTW 400Mhz memory clock is a rare find on a 6200.
 
So you took the cooler off a 9600xt?
Yes! I found this a nice fit, as it directly blows the warm air out the top. But for the Cube one of the "fenders" in the back has to be removed. So the fan can suck fresh air from the side. Sucking from the top, as intended is not possible, as this opening sits directly against the wall of the Cube's enclosure.
Did you fashion that PCI bracket yourself?
Yes, i used one of the many i had around and matched it as close as possible to the original one of the Rage Pro. One of the standoffs at the DVI-port had to be removed to fit the opening in the case.
Nice card BTW 400Mhz memory clock is a rare find on a 6200.
Yes, they where more around (and cheaper) some time ago. Same or even more for the PCI-cards. I got this one as "untested/defective" without cooler for 6 Euros years ago.

But they appear from time to time. Few other brands, i. e. PNY or EVGA are using this PCB-layout too. Don't know, if they also use 400MHz chips. So a look on the print/into the PC-ROM might be necessary before throwing these clocks at them. As a sign can be seen, that these cards se to have fans on them while most other 6200s ar passively cooled only.
 
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I present to thee the most graphically over powered PowerMac G3 blue and white ever LOL

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the french X1900 GT was a dud, but I managed to win the above X1950 XT a couple days ago, and successfully flash it :) where I am very pleased to report it does indeed work with my PCI to PCIe setup and G3 Blue and white!

It will be bottlenecked to buggery LOL, but this gives us 2 Dual Link DVI ports now :) , and I really look forward to trying this with some Old world Macs and seeing how it plays there!
 
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