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i know precisely what these numbers mean.



they mean i'm coming unglued with anticipation of getting my dual 2.5 g5, 2 gigs ram, a terrabyte of hd space, etc. it's gonna be a sweet ride for me. as an audio engineer, the track counts, plug ins, and higher sample rates will take advantage of the extra power these new macs have. i'll still keep the dual g4, but it looks like the g5 will be so big an improvement that i won't look twice at the g4 anymore. wow.
 
Those look like video card benchies, not CPU benchies, and its no suprise that the 6800 destroys all the came before it. CPU/FSB/RAM benchmarks would be far more interesting.
 
Sorry, but they are wrong. Nobody would be happier than I to see the new G5 kick some serious butt, but there are a few things that need to be addressed. Cinebench has two flavors for OS X. One is a G5 targeted beta which is much faster on a G5. The older version, the one linked to in the XLR8 page is obviously the older one which I get similar results to on my own dual 2.0. Here is the correct result for the G5 version on a dual 2.0 (Rev A.):

CINEBENCH 2003 v1
****************************************************

Tester :

Processor : G5x2
MHz : 2000
Number of CPUs : 2
Operating System : 10.3.4

Graphics Card : 9800 OEM
Resolution : 1680x1050
Color Depth : <fill this out>

****************************************************

Rendering (Single CPU): 288 CB-CPU
Rendering (Multiple CPU): 503 CB-CPU

Multiprocessor Speedup: 1.75

Shading (CINEMA 4D) : 278 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Software Lighting) : 783 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Hardware Lighting) : 1494 CB-GFX

OpenGL Speedup: 5.37

****************************************************

I was lazy and didn't quit any apps and just dl'd the app from Maxon's site and ran the bench. If I rebooted and quit all other apps I could have gotten a bit better performance. The new dual 2.5 is fast but it is closer to the 25% clock speed increase, I think my benches are pretty close in fact to this number. It won't be anywhere near 50% faster. I just registered because I read MacRumors often and didn't want that error on the front page.

-Jerry C.
 
legion said:
I'd attributed most of the overall performance increases to the graphics card as cinebench offloads a lot of these tasks to the GPU and the GeForce6800 DDL is quite a bit faster than the previous.

Since when is raytracing (rendering a final scene) offloaded to a graphics card at all...?

(If raytracing could be done in the video GPU, imagine the beautiful artistry that would appear on screen when playing Doom 3!)

Cinebench's first two tests (single-processor and multiprocessor rendering) are about as CPU intensive as a program gets - raytracing involves millions of high precision floating point calculations, none of which can be offloaded to a graphics card.

A good graphics card influences fast screen updates while modeling yes, but final rendering no - a hunking great processor or render farm is what you need there.
 
msconvert said:
Does anyone else remember last years WWDC? One of the graphics programs was specifically reprogramed to offload the GPU onto the G5 because it was actually faster. (The 3d world generator). Now the card is faster for floating point calculations? What gives? Is the card that much better - Stevo did say in the current WWDC keynote that GPUs are out pacing moores law so maybe I answered my own question. Or they are prepairing for the future if it isn't already here....

Thoughts?

This depends a lot on what the calculation is.
So General purpose CPU's like the G5 tend to be good at 'complex'
algorithms, things that have a lot of logic mixed with the math.
But graphics cards are _amazingly_ fast at doing the same
'simple' operation to many many pixels. They have great access
to memory and generaly have 8-16 little processors that all work
at the same time. But the processors aren't very flexible so if the
algorithm needs 'logic' it tends to get complex/slow/impossible to
do on the GPU.

Core Image is looking to move these simple things to the GPU.
Typically the bottle neck here is bandwidth to the card, so the
image spends more time going from main memory to the card
and back again (assuming it's needed in main memory at the
end of everything) than actually being processed by the card.
I think the card interfaces are speeding up so this isn't as big
a deal.
 
WorldMage said:
I think the card interfaces are speeding up so this isn't as big
a deal.

I wonder how long it will take for the G5 to get a PCI-Express interface for its graphics cards. Six months?
 
how does this compare to the barefeats g5, opteron and xeon benchmarks.

i would really like to know how this one compares to the bare-feats g5, opteron and xeon benchmarks.

their values are not in secs but in cf ratings can any one help


thank you
 
Sweet mother of god. I can't wait.

I wonder how my baby will play on my Max resolution of 1024x768 VGA gateway monitor! ooohh jeaaah....

*cries*
 
DavidCar said:
I wonder how long it will take for the G5 to get a PCI-Express interface for its graphics cards. Six months?

Depends on demand I guess. PCI-Express is in Intel's latest chipsets mainly because they want to shake up the status quo and get everyone to upgrade, not I think because graphics cards actually need it.

My understanding was that for the immediate future, AGP was just fine. Can graphics card yet saturate the 8x AGP bandwidth, let alone the 16x PCI-Express?

Mainboard makers are actually having to include both PCI-X (for backward compatibility) and PCI-Express, making for larger boards and bigger tower cases. I'm not sure Apple should go that route yet.

Once more cards are available for PCI-Express, maybe then's the right time.
 
Steven1621 said:
does anyone know if the new displays are in apples stores yet?

I thought they weren't shipping until July, with the 30" and corresponding video card not shipping until August - I thought that's what Jobs said in the Keynote...
 
2.5 on the way.

I should get my 2.5 G5 on the first week of Aug. if not slightly earlier.

I don't have the top graphics card but the std one is ok for my quick image editing for my biz.

If I buy one for home it will come with a 30in LCD and the 6800.
Maybe by Jan they will have the 3Ghz G5.
 
good upgrade. i see not only the increase in cpu helps boost performance, but also the faster bus speed. bus speed is very important.
 
michaelb said:
Mainboard makers are actually having to include both PCI-X (for backward compatibility) and PCI-Express, making for larger boards and bigger tower cases. I'm not sure Apple should go that route yet.

PCI-X and PCI-Express have nothing to do with each other. They have completely different purposes. For now, if a mobo maker had both AGP and PCI-Express, then you'd have a valid point. The PCI-X on these systems isn't because of "backward compatability."
 
2.0 to 2.5

jadedchameleon said:
Well, the rendering tests are really CPU tests. The shading tests are more graphics card tests. Rendering scores among the same setup with different video cards tend to be the same. I would say the speedup seems quite good from 2.0 to 2.5.

Percentage exceeded what most expected.......
 
Bus speed

macridah said:
good upgrade. i see not only the increase in cpu helps boost performance, but also the faster bus speed. bus speed is very important.


And literally a quantum leap from the bottlenecked
G4 systems - remember the sad days of the 100MHz bus?
 
NVidia 6800 Ultra

Fitzcaraldo said:
Any word on noise levels with the 6800 Ultra inside?

I can only imagine that it is quieter than the ATI 9800, and the
entire line of ATI cards---noisy little fans....
 
PCI-Express

DavidCar said:
I wonder how long it will take for the G5 to get a PCI-Express interface for its graphics cards. Six months?

Hopefully by the next generation, likely to be
introduced by January of next year.
 
DMann said:
I can only imagine that it is quieter than the ATI 9800, and the
entire line of ATI cards---noisy little fans....
There's a fan on the Ultra DDL (hence part of the reason it takes up one of the PCI-X slots.)
 
Shipping dates

clr900 said:
How did someone already get a dual 2.5 with a 6800 ultra, I thought they are not shipping until August? I plan on getting one too but didn't think that they are shipping right now.

August - mid August is expected.
 
Since I didn't win the $290 million lottery tonigh, I guess I won't be getting my dual 30" screens after all.
 
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