PowerMac G5 Cooling/Sensor Issues?

[numediaman]

Could this have anythinng to do with the Fan Control Update that Apple released for the G5's about a month ago?

Guys. It's all in the article. The new chip sits differently, so the sensor did not function properly. The sensor misread the heat level causing the fans to wail. Eventually, the sensor would shut down the system.

But it is now OK. Apple engineers figured it out. You can all rest easily.

On the other hand, IBM can't seem to make a chip that goes faster than 2.0. Therein lies the problem. Stevie Boy can't introduce a 3.0 G5 until IBM figures out how to make a chip that goes faster than 2.0.

Looks like all those people who bought dual 2.0s will have the fastest Mac for quite some time to come.

Of course, this all just a rumor. It could be that Apple is now going to use the 8MHz 68000 in all its new computers.

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

IN response to SFNEFreak-Because we have nothing else to talk about since Apple hasnt done much in the way of anything but pods. Rumor sounds good to me and would explain a good many things concerning Powermac,Imac and Emac.

 

[macer1]

let apple and ibm figure this out and the rest of you quit ragging on it, concidering this is a ROMOR SITE. hell 90% of the stuff here is fiction. Trust it to be true if steve shows it to the world

unless any of you want to go back to the motorolla days where 33mhz increase was HUGE.

everyone can wait and quit there complaining, and if they have a problem they can use a windows comp.

 

[BornAgainMac]

Terrible Rumors

That is a terrible to hear about problems even reaching 2.2 Ghz. I hope that is just with the G5 and not the G6. Maybe we are at the point of technology to just introduce new Powermacs every few years instead of once a year. Or change the case color or design every year. I am so depressed now. Even the Win/Intel side seems to be stuck too. No place to run.

At least we received an O/S update every year instead of every 3+ years.

 

[DMann]

Daughterboard Issue

Since the new 970 FX G5 chips use a different
daughter-board which shifts the location of the
chip itself, the sensors are not able to "read"
the accurate temperature. I would imagine
the sensors could be adjusted to reach
the processor without too much of a
re-design.......... With IBM's challenges,
heat/sensing issues, and the impending
aluminum shortage, it would be miraculous
to see new machines before WWDC....

 

[numediaman]

let apple and ibm figure this out and the rest of you quit ragging on it, concidering this is a ROMOR SITE. hell 90% of the stuff here is fiction. Trust it to be true if steve shows it to the world

unless any of you want to go back to the motorolla days where 33mhz increase was HUGE.

everyone can wait and quit there complaining, and if they have a problem they can use a windows comp.

That's not true -- only 80% of the stuff I write is fiction. I trust the stuff everyone else writes to 100% true.

By the way, if you were on a Mac it would have caught those four typos.

 

[MarkCollette]

What everyone seems to be missing from this article is IBM is having problems above 2.0. please remember the Xserve fiasco and the fact that it was advertised for a moment at 2.3 then changed to 2.0 Sounds like IBM may have problems on the 90nm process but i would guess the controler. were they not going to integrate that into the chip instead of on the motherboard like 970s? anyways since Apple uses the HORRIBLE tier structure for its line up. If Powermac isnt going faster then they cant release a Imac G5 and if they cant release a Imac G5 then they cant update Emac. I wonder how many Apple executives along with Steve Job can fit into a VW bug? cause they are looking like a bunch clowns to me.

I always look forward to your daily bitching about Apple marketing, it's executives, etc.

Puts a touch of reality into the forumns.

Unfortunately, with or without your comments, this situation has remained long enough, that the buzz we all felt is slowly dying.

It's like Steve et al just don't get it. This is how it should work:

1. They don't screw up like assclowns, and deliver
2. We get excited
3. We tell others
4. They switch

So far Apple is failing to provide #1. People are annoyed at you because it looks like you're failing to provide #2, but you and I know better.

 

[MarkCollette]

let apple and ibm figure this out and the rest of you quit ragging on it, concidering this is a ROMOR SITE. hell 90% of the stuff here is fiction. Trust it to be true if steve shows it to the world

unless any of you want to go back to the motorolla days where 33mhz increase was HUGE.

everyone can wait and quit there complaining, and if they have a problem they can use a windows comp.

Let your husband figure this out and the rest of you quit ragging on it, concidering this is a GOSSIP COLUMN. Hell 90% of the stuff here is fiction. Trust it to be true if your husband says he never beats you.

Unless any of you want to go back to your ex-boyfriend where a broken arm was the usual.

Everyone can wait and quit there complaining, and if they have a problem they can move out and live on the streets.

 

[numediaman]

Let your husband figure this out and the rest of you quit ragging on it, concidering this is a GOSSIP COLUMN. Hell 90% of the stuff here is fiction. Trust it to be true if your husband says he never beats you.

Unless any of you want to go back to your ex-boyfriend where a broken arm was the usual.

Everyone can wait and quit there complaining, and if they have a problem they can move out and live on the streets.

Wow, even google couldn't translate this for me. Anyone else what to take a stab at it?

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

I always look forward to your daily bitching about Apple marketing, it's executives, etc.

Puts a touch of reality into the forumns.

Unfortunately, with or without your comments, this situation has remained long enough, that the buzz we all felt is slowly dying.

It's like Steve et al just don't get it. This is how it should work:

1. They don't screw up like assclowns, and deliver
2. We get excited
3. We tell others
4. They switch

So far Apple is failing to provide #1. People are annoyed at you because it looks like you're failing to provide #2, but you and I know better.

I wish I had a buzz cause mine has left me a long long time ago. Anyways like i said earlier because of the TIER structure Apple uses this would explain why its been such a barren 10 months. I would bet this rumor has validity to it.

 

[CrackedButter]

How can you be sure that's the case? It's just an assumption, as all of these news/rumor posts are...

What other machine has been bumped up significantly in terms of Mhz since the G5 PowerMac was released other than the Xserve?

 

[sharky2313]

true

everyone is right, the most disturbing part of the article is the low yields above 2.0 This does not bode well for hitting up to 3 which would require a significant and sustained chip yield, from my limited understanding of chip fab process.

I suspect that the g6 is becoming a closer reality on the sooner rather than the later.

 

[Bhennies]

Awesome! I can't wait to get a NEW UPDATED dual 2.0 g5!

 

[Stella]

Sounds like Moto all over again!

Quote:
Reportedly, IBM's Power PC G5 970FX chip has failed to yield even the baseline 2.0 GHz mark on a consistent basis, preventing Apple from introducing faster machines.

 

[PowerMacMan]

Use with Caution

The real question is why should we believe this or care? Either they're coming out soon, or they're not.

And I agree that this sounds strange given that the new chips are supposed to run much cooler. The only explanation would be a case reworking which has lead to a heat up inside. But hey- as long as they come out soon I couldn't care less if they had to use ultra-poisonous freon to cool them.

Tipping or picking up your G5 FREON can result in a poisonous spill and may be harmful or deadly to the victim... Please refrain from picking up your G5 FREON and make sure it is steady on the ground...

 

[form]

Having problems going past 2 ghz? I haven't read about that anywhere, until this thread. Such an eerily similar pattern straight from g4 history makes me laugh, and makes me curious, too...It seems as if Apple has picked the g4, and now the g5, because of some significant initial improvement over previous technology, while either ignoring or not accurately predicting the long-term scaling. That's a guess, of course, and it gives rise to another one: Have they been choosing new processors out of fear, rather than wise tactics?

Then there's always the idea of conspiracy against Apple, where all the companies claim to have such great potential, until Apple signs on, at which time they proceed to have lots and lots (and lots) of "setbacks."

I apologize for being off-topic, but this is the first place I've heard about IBM's speed bump problems...maybe they need new struts.

On-topic, I think that the heating sensor issue is/was just a menial excuse for any delays, and will probably serve as another hollow bone for the anxious mac-fanatics.

 

[ThomasJefferson]

Wonder if there are any job openings on the Apple website for a "sensor-dude"?

 

[PRØBE]

Let your husband figure this out and the rest of you quit ragging on it, concidering this is a GOSSIP COLUMN. Hell 90% of the stuff here is fiction. Trust it to be true if your husband says he never beats you.

Unless any of you want to go back to your ex-boyfriend where a broken arm was the usual.

Everyone can wait and quit there complaining, and if they have a problem they can move out and live on the streets.

I'm as baffled as you are Numedian. Oddly refreshing to read the occasional unintelligible post though. Looks to me like it was mistakenly posted here instead of at "Domestic violence anonymous".

Anyway, if IBM are having such trouble with the 2+ chip yield, I wish Apple would do themselves a favour (and me too) by shoving a load of 1.6 chips into some 20" imacs and dropping the single 1.6 tower/making it a dual until they sort this mess out. If IBM don't pull their finger out soon they will become known as "If...But...Maybe..."

 

[Frisco]

It's not IBM's fault. It's Apple fault for not going with AMD or Intel. I guess this is one time where Apple shouldn't have "Think Different."

Apple has had so many problems, so much frustration with their Chip Makers, that this is getting so old already. Apple is a company that needs to focus its resources elsewhere. Chip Speed should be the concern of others--not Apple.

I think it may be time for OS X to be moved over to X86. Apple doesn't need to compete in the processor/speed market! They are having enough trouble competing on the OS front, with Linux and Windows getting better every day.

 

[BornAgainMac]

Blackmail

The real news...
IBM won't produce any chips over 2 Ghz unless Apple hands over the iTunes Music Store and iPod technologies to IBM. Introducing the IBM Music Store.

 

[cait-sith]

what's the reason they can't they get past 2.0 GHz? heat?

having this much trouble cooling the chip with convential methods would tend to indicate they may have made some poor decisions designing the G5, and are now facing the music. they may have been so rushed to get the G5 out that they did not consider how difficult it would be to break the 2 billion mark.

they shouldn't be having this much issue with heat. one of the intial turn ons with risc chips was that they ran a lot cooler than their cisc counterparts.

there are more ways to make an archetecture faster, including optimizing the compiler (and therefore the system software) for one.. our software still (for the most part) hasn't caught up with the hardware, or is inefficient and wasteful.

but everyone wants higher numbers, more and faster. poor apple. hope they iron out their bugs.

 

[form]

I think you're misunderstanding; as far as I can see, the cooling sensor problem is not related to the processor speed issue. One is Apple hardware, and the other is IBM manufacturing.

 

[cait-sith]

It's not IBM's fault. It's Apple fault for not going with AMD or Intel. I guess this is one time where Apple shouldn't have "Think Different."

The only real advantage to Intel is that Microsoft makes Windows. The chip itself is NOT impressive.

Apple has had so many problems, so much frustration with their Chip Makers, that this is getting so old already. Apple is a company that needs to focus its resources elsewhere. Chip Speed should be the concern of others--not Apple.

Apple is one of the largest computer companies in the world. Larger than most companies that use Intel products.

I think it may be time for OS X to be moved over to X86. Apple doesn't need to compete in the processor/speed market! They are having enough trouble competing on the OS front, with Linux and Windows getting better every day.

Bite your tongue. Apple may be somewhat lagging on upping their numbers, but their OS is still one of the best marriages of power and usability on the market.

OSX already exists for x86, it's called FreeBSD. You don't get a nice aqua interface (which is 50% of the reason the OS is so great) but you can always use windowmaker, right? (yea, i'm aware it's engine parts aren't entirely freebsd, but you get the point)

Imagine the entire frontend of osx rewritten for intels. The horrors. I would dust off my ultra 5 and start using solaris the next day.

 

[windowsblowsass]

Let your husband figure this out and the rest of you quit ragging on it, concidering this is a GOSSIP COLUMN. Hell 90% of the stuff here is fiction. Trust it to be true if your husband says he never beats you.

Unless any of you want to go back to your ex-boyfriend where a broken arm was the usual.

Everyone can wait and quit there complaining, and if they have a problem they can move out and live on the streets.

ahh.... drugs are bad mmmkay maybe you dhould go see a therapist or the cops if you know abut an abusing boyfriend that breaks peoples arms and whats this about someone living on the streets please keep your dilusions to yourself or at least explain what the hell you are talking about and how it has any relevance toward power macs

 

[128KMac]

If things are so bad ...

.... why is Apple at $28+ today? We read rumors sites. I wonder what the Apple stock buyers are reading....