reorx said:
Tell that to the people looking for PowerMac, PowerBook, and iMac upgrades. Different is only good when a company can deliver on the goods and Apple sure as heck isn't delivering.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
PowerMac G5 Cooling/Sensor Issues?
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Tell that to the people looking for PowerMac, PowerBook, and iMac upgrades. Different is only good when a company can deliver on the goods and Apple sure as heck isn't delivering.
Toreador93 said:I totally agree. When you're the only major buyer of a chip, the chip manufacturer can put you on the back burner if they feel it's not worth their time (Motorola). The advantage of Intel and AMD is: That is their business! If they don't produce newer and faster chips, they go out of business! There is competition, and there is a will to sustain. Isn't that how economy works?
To the person commenting on how Apple DOESN'T have trouble competing with their OS:
A major factor why people don't buy Macs (besides hardware), is the lack of software or incompatibility of software they've already bought. This is my also my biggest concern. I know Apple has the basic stuff, but when you search google for a program to do something, you can usually find it for Windows. The software for d/ling programs to my phone doesn't exist for macs. I think this is a problem. Perhaps if apple was more competitive, and had a bigger marketshare, more people would write programs for Macs.
How many people here could live without touching a PC? That is, no gaming rigs, no specialty software (game cracks), and very little freeware. Until 90% of you can say yes, I think Apple has some work to do.
Well I think your way off base here. What do you think IBM's major business is? Its to make processors! They spend billions of dollars per year designing processors. Apple isn't the only vendor for the G5 or the PPC processor either. PPC chips are in a lot of things you don't realize. IBM would loose billions of dollars if they didn't make processors. IBM isn't a Motorola and if Apple didn't think they could produce the goods then they wouldn't of made a partnership with them.
As far as software goes, well there are over 10,000 Mac OS X applications out there for Mac OS X and thats not counting the hundreds of thousands of freeware/shareware apps for OS X. If you doing a Google search for Mac shareware apps then thats why your not finding any! Look on places like versiontracker.com and download.com. You will find the same things on the Mac as you will on the PC!
I could live without touching a PC. My mac runs games very good. I'm not into stealing software like you can voiding the license agreements by installing a crack for the software. Those are things that most PC people are very interested in. I have everything I need for my Mac and I've never had a problem find a freeware/shareware app that I need. You need to rethink your thoughts here! Why don't you just go back your little $499 POS PC!
Jesus, everyone is making out like the current G5s are too slow or something. Trust me on this, the Dual 2Ghz is fast. In fact it is very fast. Yes I want to see Apple release faster hardware, but the current hardware is damn fast as it is. In fact if you look at the complete hardware landscape, the G5 looks very good. And I'm talking FSB speeds, point to point architecture, SATA, Dual Channel 400Mhz memory, Firewire 400 and 800, Gigabit Ethernet, Independent FSB for each processor... The Dual G5s are monsters. Video and Audio apps just rip like a mother on these things.
-mark
-mark
mklos said:
Errr. CPU design is a small peice of the IBM puzzle. Do you have ANY idea how large IBM is. Seriouly. Do you have any notion. Hell IBM uses AMD and Intel CPU's in some of their own server lines. And as for G5 sales. Please. I'd be willing to bet their yearly earnings are made up of less then 5% of G5 sales. Actually I'd be suprised if it was even 2%.
And yet I'm willing to bet you've never touched a $499 PC. So how is it you can pass judgment and make claims on a product you have probably never used? Hypocrite.
avkills said:
Yes, they are, but faster is always better... I wanna see hardcore PCers cry, weep, and bow down to Apple
why are we still posting rumors from Apple insider
We are still posting rumors from AppleInsider because it is one of the few sites posting ANY rumors, good or bad. This site has turned into one big reader forum, discussing rumors from other sites and not generating any information on it's own. You should read the As the apple turns web site, at least it's funny and well written.
SFNE Freak said:
We are still posting rumors from AppleInsider because it is one of the few sites posting ANY rumors, good or bad. This site has turned into one big reader forum, discussing rumors from other sites and not generating any information on it's own. You should read the As the apple turns web site, at least it's funny and well written.
reorx said:
That is not true. The Pentium M was designed by Intel's Israeli team. Please see http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.html?i=1800&p=2.
Hey ktlx,
You're from Naperville, IL; I'm from St. Charles, IL...
Sorry, Just thought that was interesting, You don't see to much of that...
You're from Naperville, IL; I'm from St. Charles, IL...
Sorry, Just thought that was interesting, You don't see to much of that...
SiliconAddict said:
You are correct, CPU sales to outside parties are probably very low. IBM mostly uses their processors for their hardware. Its the win-win situation of hardware/software sale that I was speaking of. Of course IBM is very opportunistic and would sell you toasters if they thought it would add to the bottom line...
And yet I'm willing to bet you've never touched a $499 PC. So how is it you can pass judgment and make claims on a product you have probably never used? Hypocrite.
I'm imminently qualified to speak here, having built quite a few $499 PCs in my lifetime... What do you want to know about them? That they require constant end-user maintenance? That they SUCK for today's games? That PC vendors are still selling them with not enough memory and sub-par components? (Have you LOOKED at a $499 PC monitor? Holy Crappola!)
ktlx said:
I stand corrected... Thanks for researching it... I knew it wasn't designed in the US, but didn't know it was still an Intel office.
Yippee! I'm no longer a newbie!
Hate to piss in your knitting circle....
but the current G5's still have thermal problems. I just returned a refurb dual 2.0 to Apple because the fans ran at a consistent full blast. The mother sounded like a 747 taking off. I just placed an order for a 'new' dual 2.0. Why? Because I need it. The current top of line is plenty powerful. Yes a bit steep in price but it runs X pretty damned smooth and outperforms all but the very top of the line PC's in video rendering. I think why most of you have your panties bunched up is because of Steve's supposed promise of 3.0 ghz by this summer. Yes it was just a pipe dream. I however have little doubt that we'll see 3.0 by years end. Yes in seven months time.
Meanwhile you little wannabe windozers can piss and moan all you want while the true pros get work done, make money and get some tang on the side.
but the current G5's still have thermal problems. I just returned a refurb dual 2.0 to Apple because the fans ran at a consistent full blast. The mother sounded like a 747 taking off. I just placed an order for a 'new' dual 2.0. Why? Because I need it. The current top of line is plenty powerful. Yes a bit steep in price but it runs X pretty damned smooth and outperforms all but the very top of the line PC's in video rendering. I think why most of you have your panties bunched up is because of Steve's supposed promise of 3.0 ghz by this summer. Yes it was just a pipe dream. I however have little doubt that we'll see 3.0 by years end. Yes in seven months time.
Meanwhile you little wannabe windozers can piss and moan all you want while the true pros get work done, make money and get some tang on the side.
mklos said:
You're making incorrect assumptions. IBM's chip making business is a fraction of their overall business. IBM is primarily a services company, not a chip manufacturing company. And FYI, they actually lose money on their hardware and chip making business. It's not profitable in the least.
numediaman said:
BINGO, this is the real news in this article. Where's the exclusive story for this rumor, or would that be blasphemous?
Personally, I think 2.0 GHz is fast enough for my needs (and most other people's too) but that might whip the jackals on the rumor boards into a frenzy, perhaps that is why this juicy rumor was overlooked.
greenstork said:
Its a rumor...but if its true then its not a good sign for a solid rise in processor speeds for Apple.
If they are having this many problems with the PowerMac then I have serious concerns about the appearance anytime soon of the PowerBook G5. Damn
It seems to me that Apple's really in a pinch. Not only is the g5 screwed up, but so is the ipod mini (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/67420/). Guess which product gets priority?
jwhitnah said:
That's nice, in theory... Scuse me while I go get into my 2000 hp, 3000 ft/lb truck, because you always need more horsepower and torque. If you're not moving up, you're moving out.
Every technology has a plateau where a good cost/benefit is reached. I think the PC market has reached it... People need faster internet connections, not faster PCs. I think that you should know this (seeing your current hardware). My fastest machine is a 1.7 Pentium 4M (not M4). Works perfectly fine with 1G memory, even with all the Anti-virus software sucking cycles off everything...
I do not understand why everyone is starting to doubt IBM. IBM is well, IBM. You want the most powerful computer in the world, IBM is probably the best company to build it for you. They seem to be using the power4/5 as the keystone of their mainframe lineup. Hence, they also have a lot riding on the same chip family. However, with mainframes, sometimes speed is not as important, since one can simply add more processors. Still, I doubt Microsoft would sign up to use a G5-like processor in the new Xbox if yield was as horrible as people imply. It is my understanding that IBM also does fab work for AMD, so all of this collective experience makes IBM better at increasing yield. I say lets just wait until NAB and until WWDC and if nothing comes out of them, well then I might short Apple stock.
Yeah, this is an issue
My roomate has a G5, the CPU is cool, but the hard drives are hot as barbeque grilles. I read up a thread on xlr8yourmac.com dealing with specifically this issue, and the problem was with the location of the heat sensor, which is directly above the hard drive, where the air moves slowly across the drive pushed by the middle fan and hence doesn't read accurate temperatures. The drives were operating somewhere in the 80 celsius range (100 is boiling water). Instead of having premature drive failures like many have experienced according to that particular thread, we took the effort to relocate the sensor by attaching it to the drives themselves on the side. Problem solved, the fans run faster, and the drives are now operating much much cooler, at least they don't burn the back of my fingers upon contact with the sides.
-Good tip to all G5 users as well
My roomate has a G5, the CPU is cool, but the hard drives are hot as barbeque grilles. I read up a thread on xlr8yourmac.com dealing with specifically this issue, and the problem was with the location of the heat sensor, which is directly above the hard drive, where the air moves slowly across the drive pushed by the middle fan and hence doesn't read accurate temperatures. The drives were operating somewhere in the 80 celsius range (100 is boiling water). Instead of having premature drive failures like many have experienced according to that particular thread, we took the effort to relocate the sensor by attaching it to the drives themselves on the side. Problem solved, the fans run faster, and the drives are now operating much much cooler, at least they don't burn the back of my fingers upon contact with the sides.
-Good tip to all G5 users as well
reorx said:That's nice, in theory... Scuse me while I go get into my 2000 hp, 3000 ft/lb truck, because you always need more horsepower and torque. If you're not moving up, you're moving out.
Every technology has a plateau where a good cost/benefit is reached. I think the PC market has reached it... People need faster internet connections, not faster PCs. I think that you should know this (seeing your current hardware). My fastest machine is a 1.7 Pentium 4M (not M4). Works perfectly fine with 1G memory, even with all the Anti-virus software sucking cycles off everything...
Can't really compare trucks to computers. My iMac 400 still screams on 9.2.2 but chokes on 10.3.3. For the OS and other software to evolve, faster hardware MUST be developed. PC's are not reach a plateau so the Mac had better keep up. By the way, faster internet connections will come. Heard of Internet 2? No matter how much faster you can make a car, you still must stay within the speed limit.