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Cooknn said:
Dual-core would effectively give you better than 3GHz performance anyways, so who cares?
Steve has little to do with when a 3GHz Mac comes out. IBM's engineers will basically determine when, and the entire industry is having problems with increasing clock speeds right now.
Ok, you can have a dual core dual 1.5Ghz (hypothetical). I'll take the dual 3Ghz. I guess it's about perception - and right now, well for as long as I can remember, Apple has been perceived as having chips with clockspeeds that can't keep up with Intel (I know about the Mhz myth). It may not make sense, but I'd at least like to see them get in the ballpark - which IHMO is 3Ghz for now. Regarding Steve - he's the one who went out on a limb. I bet IBM's engineers cringed when he made the 3Ghz statementmadmaxmedia said:
madmaxmedia said:
The other thing is for all those who keep mentioning Steve's 3GHz promise.. well he promised they would be there in a year and they weren't.. simple as that. So his promise has been broken.
So still expecting him to deliver on a broken promise doesn't make that much sense anymore.
Also ask AMD to give you a 3GHz proc and you will see they are not there either... due to the different architecture. A Dual core up to 2.7GHz will be a nice piece of kit so I think it maybe time to let the 3GHz promise drop now..
pgre said:
Yeah, I agree. I'd much rather have a dual-dual-core 2.7 than a regular dual-processor 3.0.
I don't care about perception. I care about performance. From what I understand, dual-cores are faster anyway. A dual-dual-core should be blazing (in theory, anyway).
TS: Next PM revision to use PPC970FX
Now we know everything we have to know. The next revision is just a speed bump. No revolutionary changes.
Link:
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0504g5notes.html
Now we know everything we have to know. The next revision is just a speed bump. No revolutionary changes.
Link:
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0504g5notes.html
Zaty said:
You beat me to it. I was just about to post this. Well, I'm buying a new PowerMac, regardless, but would have loved dual-core. Still, after using a 1GHz G4 Powerbook (only) for the last 2 years, a G5 anything is going to be great.
make that fall...
September/October at the earliest. There is, and really never was any way Apple could get the Dual Core Chips in volume any time soon. There won't be any new Powermacs announced until Macworld in Paris, probably shipping around November. And, these certainly will be the dual-core chips....
Just my 2 cents... ;-)
September/October at the earliest. There is, and really never was any way Apple could get the Dual Core Chips in volume any time soon. There won't be any new Powermacs announced until Macworld in Paris, probably shipping around November. And, these certainly will be the dual-core chips....
Just my 2 cents... ;-)
daveL said:
This blows...
So when is the REAL DEAL going to be released? This revision is is like setting a chip in it's chipset. How f***ing lame. When's the next revision???? WWDC, or Paris?? I'm talking 2006 by the way....
So when is the REAL DEAL going to be released? This revision is is like setting a chip in it's chipset. How f***ing lame. When's the next revision???? WWDC, or Paris?? I'm talking 2006 by the way....
daveL said:
This comment intrigues me. Perhaps I'm showing my ignorance, but when has Apple ever done an update just to turn around and do another, better update 3 months later?
The closest thing I can remember to that would be the update to Powerbooks, and that was more of a new form-factor (external metal and size). The actual guts of the machine stayed the same.
I just notice every year that people think Apple will do a major update very quickly after doing a speed bump but I can think of no time they have done that before.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
well......
Oh, come on. Yes, it's disappointing, but in the end, what's so bad about the current Dual 2.5 PMs ? They run everything very well, aren't they ? I think these speed bumps are fine. Remember, it's really US that had these big expectations about something that no-one has ever seen working (i.e. the PPC Dual-Core chips) yet, Xbox 360 included. I think getting them toward the end of the year is just fine. And my bet is, other than us here on these boards, no-one will really care this didn't happen 'yet'.
Oh, come on. Yes, it's disappointing, but in the end, what's so bad about the current Dual 2.5 PMs ? They run everything very well, aren't they ? I think these speed bumps are fine. Remember, it's really US that had these big expectations about something that no-one has ever seen working (i.e. the PPC Dual-Core chips) yet, Xbox 360 included. I think getting them toward the end of the year is just fine. And my bet is, other than us here on these boards, no-one will really care this didn't happen 'yet'.
FlyNolJ said:
The question that remains unanswered is pricing. It appears that the SP PowerMac will go the way of the dodo yet again leaving a hole somewhere in the lineup.
So the question is, will the dual 2.0GHz machine be priced at $1,999 or $1,499 (or somewhere between)? In other words, will the hole in the lineup be at the top or the bottom. If it is priced at $1,499, I would consider this round of upgrades to be a positive for 99% of users (not for uber power users). At that price, I am sure that quite a few people would whip out their credit cards and order that day. However, if it is priced at $1,999, Apple will continue to upset even more people and I, personally, will opt for a refurbished dual 1.8GHz PowerMac which hopefully will have dropped in price to make room for the new 2.0GHz pricing.
On a side note, often times when Apple reduces the amount of items in a particular product line, it is because there are plans to fill that hole in the near future. Is it possible that Apple is intentionally leaving a hole at the $2,999 price point to allow for a dual core PowerMac to occupy that space around the time of WWDC?
So the question is, will the dual 2.0GHz machine be priced at $1,999 or $1,499 (or somewhere between)? In other words, will the hole in the lineup be at the top or the bottom. If it is priced at $1,499, I would consider this round of upgrades to be a positive for 99% of users (not for uber power users). At that price, I am sure that quite a few people would whip out their credit cards and order that day. However, if it is priced at $1,999, Apple will continue to upset even more people and I, personally, will opt for a refurbished dual 1.8GHz PowerMac which hopefully will have dropped in price to make room for the new 2.0GHz pricing.
On a side note, often times when Apple reduces the amount of items in a particular product line, it is because there are plans to fill that hole in the near future. Is it possible that Apple is intentionally leaving a hole at the $2,999 price point to allow for a dual core PowerMac to occupy that space around the time of WWDC?
You are right - there is no way PMs are coming out this summer. Apple uses a parts turnaround that is fairly fast, but still uses inventory (Dell, for example, has no inventory; they have a truck docking at their warehouse, stuff gets take off it to the line, the truck leaves, cutting costs and having fresh inventory daily). Apple doesn't get new chips (as the multipliers are on-chip as far as I know) for 3 months only. Again, in my opinion, we're looking at new system toward the end of the year, around November, maybe October....
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deputy_doofy said:
It has been a while since the PM was last updated, and I don't see that Apple has room to update the other desktops without giving the PM line a speed bump. They can't really leave all the desktops to languish, waiting on a major PM revision. I said summer to allow for some wiggle room. That could be WWDC, with shipments starting in July, or Paris (September), with shipments in October. If it's the latter, then it will still be 6 months between PM updates. Who knows.deputy_doofy said:
daveL said:
Don't get me wrong. It would be great, in some respects, if they did update it again as early as summer. It would only be bad because I'm buying a G5 whenever they are finally updated and it would suck (for me) to watch them get updated so quickly after that.
Now, I wonder whether to get the 2.7 or the 2.3........
Zaty said:
So if Think Secret is right then all Apple and IBM could develop was 200MHZ over almost a year? I am starting to wonder why was the president of Sony in January on stage for... Year of HD, reality is that even dual core dual Opteron or Xeon or 970MPs still wont be able to smoothly and quickly edit encode decode HD video (including the H.264 standard) SO considering that IBM and Apple could only develop 200mhz is proving my theory that the dual core and 3GHZ wont be accomplished by 970 (power4 derivative) but by a power5 derivative and all those 970GX and 970MPs were probably rumors or at best bad prototypes (and please dont tell me that its ALL IBMs fault because best to my knowledge there are also Apples engineers involved in the G5/G6 development) and also I am wondering about Apples involvement with the CELL chip as it seems to be the only REAL Year of HD solution unless Apples definition of processing HD video is a lot less demanding then mine...
dosers said:
I have posted this several times already....but here it goes again.
The reason Apple isn't releasing the dual core PPC970 series is because they are not available yet.
We are in negotiation with IBM for JS20 system of 256 processors that will grow to 1024. We discussed when the dual cores will be available and IBM told us late January.
Apple will get them about 3 or 4 months before IBM starts using them. Apple has a contractual agreement with IBM to get the newer chips both speed wise and dual core before IBM can use them themselves.
This is shown in the status of JS20 blades vs Xserves.
When Apple released the 2.0 Xserves IBM used 1.6. When Apple started using 2.3's back in JULY 2004( and yes they were not announced until January 2005: but they were available to select customers in July) IBM started selling the 2.2s in OCT. IBM lags Apples upgrades by 3 to 4 months every time.
IBM will start selling 2.5s in their blade servers in August which also coincides with Apples 2.7s that will be available any day now.
Therefore don't expect the dual-cores until at the very earliest WWDC and the latest Sept-OCT
~loserman~ said:
If there is the slightest chance of releasing them at WWDC, why bother to release anything now? We're only about 6 weeks away from WWDC.
People waited a year last time for 1 update, they can do it again.
Of course, they could release the 2.7 now and simply wait until Jan. 06 to do the big update.
At this point, I don't give a hoot about the dual-core. It'll happen this year, I don't need one.
I need a sub-2,000 dual 2.0, and yes, four DIMM slots are fine as long as each processor gets a 1GHz FSB and it comes with a 128-256 vid card.
PCI-X make no matta me.
Credit card waiting.
I need a sub-2,000 dual 2.0, and yes, four DIMM slots are fine as long as each processor gets a 1GHz FSB and it comes with a 128-256 vid card.
PCI-X make no matta me.
Credit card waiting.
iGary said:
Here - here! I have to get a PMac in the next couple of weeks. Any little upgrades will be sweet (more RAM, better vid card Etc.). It's the hangin' around that gets to me, and sods law the day after my new Pmac gets delivered...........
Disappointing for circumstances
You're right, these "updates," as one could call them, are sufficient enough...for six months ago. No PCI-express, no Blu-Ray. What kind of video card are we gauranteed? Are we even gauranteed the 16x double-layer DVD burner>? If this is all they are putting out after 10 months, then the prices better drop $ 1000 and then MAYBE, we'll have something going for us.
dosers said:Oh, come on. Yes, it's disappointing, but in the end, what's so bad about the current Dual 2.5 PMs ? They run everything very well, aren't they ? I think these speed bumps are fine. Remember, it's really US that had these big expectations about something that no-one has ever seen working (i.e. the PPC Dual-Core chips) yet, Xbox 360 included. I think getting them toward the end of the year is just fine. And my bet is, other than us here on these boards, no-one will really care this didn't happen 'yet'.
You're right, these "updates," as one could call them, are sufficient enough...for six months ago. No PCI-express, no Blu-Ray. What kind of video card are we gauranteed? Are we even gauranteed the 16x double-layer DVD burner>? If this is all they are putting out after 10 months, then the prices better drop $ 1000 and then MAYBE, we'll have something going for us.
IMHO I believe Blu-Ray drives are asking a bit much. Until Blu-Ray discs are more "main-stream," I know alot will say Apple should take the initiative and lead the pack by bringing it out first, but they should concentrate on getting their computers more up to par with PC counterparts with PCI-Express, Dual layer DVDs burners, etc.