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Re: the speed
I've never known Apple to overclock it processors and send them out. In fact, I've found the opposite to be true. I once had a 350MHz Blue G3 PowerMac in my possession that actually had a 400MHz G3 chip in it that overclocked just fine at 450MHz. I doubt Apple will take chips only rated at 1GHz and overclock them to 1.25GHz. Apple is not going to send out computers that are not stable, and you can't always guarantee stability with overclocking. I would think the 1.25GHz may use a different G4 chip than the 7455, if that chip is only suppose to go up to 1.0GHz.
Why are several people calling the 1.25GHz an "overclocked" G4? Is this because the 7455, which some are speculating as the chip in the new PowerMacs, isn't suppost to go above 1GHz? Has anyone here seen the chips? Isn't there the possibility that since the 1.25GHz model isn't shipping for two more months that even if the dual 1GHz is a 7455 that the 1.25 GHz will use a different G4 chip, like the 7470?
I've never known Apple to overclock it processors and send them out. In fact, I've found the opposite to be true. I once had a 350MHz Blue G3 PowerMac in my possession that actually had a 400MHz G3 chip in it that overclocked just fine at 450MHz. I doubt Apple will take chips only rated at 1GHz and overclock them to 1.25GHz. Apple is not going to send out computers that are not stable, and you can't always guarantee stability with overclocking. I would think the 1.25GHz may use a different G4 chip than the 7455, if that chip is only suppose to go up to 1.0GHz.
Apple is right.
"Sales of the PowerMac collapsed this year, down 26 per cent from the same quarter last year, which the company attributed to "current economic conditions are having a pronounced negative impact on its professional and creative customers and that many of these customers continue to delay upgrades of their Power Macintosh systems due to the Company's ongoing transition to Mac OS X ... and in anticipation of certain software vendors transitioning their Macintosh applications to run natively in Mac OS X. Further, the Company did not experience the anticipated increase in Power Macintosh sales it expected following the introduction of Adobe's PhotoShop 7," in its most recent SEC filing"
This is exactly why we have not upgraded or bought any new systems in the past year. I work in a small ad/design agency and we won't even consider switching to OS X until Quark Xpress comes out native for it. We had an old file server bite the dust, did we purchase a new Xserve to replace it? Nope... we converted an old G3 tower (a laid off art directors work station I might add) into a file server. The economy sucks and Quark is dragging its heels.
Apple knows who its core pro users are and they understand the bind we're in.
"Sales of the PowerMac collapsed this year, down 26 per cent from the same quarter last year, which the company attributed to "current economic conditions are having a pronounced negative impact on its professional and creative customers and that many of these customers continue to delay upgrades of their Power Macintosh systems due to the Company's ongoing transition to Mac OS X ... and in anticipation of certain software vendors transitioning their Macintosh applications to run natively in Mac OS X. Further, the Company did not experience the anticipated increase in Power Macintosh sales it expected following the introduction of Adobe's PhotoShop 7," in its most recent SEC filing"
This is exactly why we have not upgraded or bought any new systems in the past year. I work in a small ad/design agency and we won't even consider switching to OS X until Quark Xpress comes out native for it. We had an old file server bite the dust, did we purchase a new Xserve to replace it? Nope... we converted an old G3 tower (a laid off art directors work station I might add) into a file server. The economy sucks and Quark is dragging its heels.
Apple knows who its core pro users are and they understand the bind we're in.
Some people are just unhappy with life -- everyone owes them something and/or they've been cheated in some way...Originally posted by nero007
Tell me about it. This has turned into the bitchiest forum in the Mac Community. They even have us bitching about how much they bitch!
For the record, I think the new PowerMacs are great. When you look at the new low end PowerMac, what Apple is offering for $1699 is a fantastic deal. Any older PowerMac just lost half if not more of its resale value.
price is important
Its about price, a lot of the time.
For commercial use, Linux and a cheap PC is about 1/3 the price of a Powermac, and a bit faster.
Apple continue to play games, use hyperbole in advertising, change design features for no functional reason, etc.
These things are causing Apple sales problems as we move into the 'mature' computer age.
The idea of a yearly fresh potential buying public is no more - most young people know about computers, and are quite capable of running any standard app on any machine.
There isnt enough difference between Apple and other machines (that cost less cash), but Apple is still behaving as if it was 1987.
Thats because their managment cant let go of the past.
Its always the management that needs changing when things are repeatedly not going well.
Normal company loses market share = change of management.
Apple loses market share = same management.
Apple needs a more balanced approach, esp. when dealing with corporate clients, who think "switch" means the thing that turns on the lights.
Apple just cant stay the same - their user base is getting old, and the new users dont see the world the same way that Apple management do.
Either change or be changed - thats Apple choice.
These new machines are NOT significantly more powerful, or cheap enough to win back market share.
The product that was winning converts was the iPod - but not now it has Windows software.
$7500 CAD for a Powermac? Thats just silly pricing.
As I say, Apple is suffering from management problems that wont go away without changing the management.
Thats the truth, but I dont expect most will agree......
Its about price, a lot of the time.
For commercial use, Linux and a cheap PC is about 1/3 the price of a Powermac, and a bit faster.
Apple continue to play games, use hyperbole in advertising, change design features for no functional reason, etc.
These things are causing Apple sales problems as we move into the 'mature' computer age.
The idea of a yearly fresh potential buying public is no more - most young people know about computers, and are quite capable of running any standard app on any machine.
There isnt enough difference between Apple and other machines (that cost less cash), but Apple is still behaving as if it was 1987.
Thats because their managment cant let go of the past.
Its always the management that needs changing when things are repeatedly not going well.
Normal company loses market share = change of management.
Apple loses market share = same management.
Apple needs a more balanced approach, esp. when dealing with corporate clients, who think "switch" means the thing that turns on the lights.
Apple just cant stay the same - their user base is getting old, and the new users dont see the world the same way that Apple management do.
Either change or be changed - thats Apple choice.
These new machines are NOT significantly more powerful, or cheap enough to win back market share.
The product that was winning converts was the iPod - but not now it has Windows software.
$7500 CAD for a Powermac? Thats just silly pricing.
As I say, Apple is suffering from management problems that wont go away without changing the management.
Thats the truth, but I dont expect most will agree......
losing market share?
Apple has been gaining market share. Incrementally but still.
It has a whole range of computers sub $2000. (Including a Powermac.)
Apple is not expected to or intends to become the run of the mill business
machine that ever office worker uses. Dell has the cheap and sleazy bulk corporate market.
A CAD workstation for $7000 running OS X sounds like a deal to me.
Apple increases it's speeds 20-30% every 6 months.
Apple has been gaining market share. Incrementally but still.
It has a whole range of computers sub $2000. (Including a Powermac.)
Apple is not expected to or intends to become the run of the mill business
machine that ever office worker uses. Dell has the cheap and sleazy bulk corporate market.
A CAD workstation for $7000 running OS X sounds like a deal to me.
Apple increases it's speeds 20-30% every 6 months.
Re: price is important
But, there IS something different about macs, or else we would all be using PCs... I for one don't care if the guy next to me can render his animation in 31 seconds while it takes me 45 seconds IF to match his results I'd needto switch to a PC. I love the mac, I love the operating system and it's what I (and most of us) CHOOSE to use. There are some sacrifices we make when we choose macs, but I feel there are A LOT more benefits. Let's stop fighting over if this is DDR this and this MHz is this and enjoy the machinges... I think these new macs are sweet.. maybe the chrome on the front is a little ugly, maybe they aren't G5, but if I were in the market I'd pick one up... look at what you got from Apple for the same money last week- what an improvement! Purfect? Hell, no, but let's not lose sight of what we actually got.
I'm not saying "quit oushing Apple to innovate" but, try to appreciate what we DO get out of them and then just look forward to the great stuff that will eventually come down the line. Don't forget that Apple is our computer of choice, if it's not good enough for you, switch or wait. OK, off my soapbox... sorry to rant, but it's not always JUST about MHZ and RAM and Bus and this and that....
-J
But, there IS something different about macs, or else we would all be using PCs... I for one don't care if the guy next to me can render his animation in 31 seconds while it takes me 45 seconds IF to match his results I'd needto switch to a PC. I love the mac, I love the operating system and it's what I (and most of us) CHOOSE to use. There are some sacrifices we make when we choose macs, but I feel there are A LOT more benefits. Let's stop fighting over if this is DDR this and this MHz is this and enjoy the machinges... I think these new macs are sweet.. maybe the chrome on the front is a little ugly, maybe they aren't G5, but if I were in the market I'd pick one up... look at what you got from Apple for the same money last week- what an improvement! Purfect? Hell, no, but let's not lose sight of what we actually got.
I'm not saying "quit oushing Apple to innovate" but, try to appreciate what we DO get out of them and then just look forward to the great stuff that will eventually come down the line. Don't forget that Apple is our computer of choice, if it's not good enough for you, switch or wait. OK, off my soapbox... sorry to rant, but it's not always JUST about MHZ and RAM and Bus and this and that....
-J
I AM PISSED ABOUT THESE NEW COMPUTERS!!!!! THe dual 1.25ghz is really just the same as my G4/400, just overclocked a lot and then cloned for twice the processing power!!! I won't buy a new Mac until we have octo-processing G9's in an ipod! That way I can always iron my pants while listening to mp7's.
People who bitch about the new computers should take a deep breath and then a deep drink.
People who bitch about the new computers should take a deep breath and then a deep drink.
Re:the speed
If you would take a look at Motorola's website you will see that the 7455 is only cable of 1Ghz normally. Site: http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/taxonomy.jsp?nodeId=03M943030450467M98653
What also makes me wonder here is about the 133/167Mhz bus... If you haven't noticed the base model is 133 and the higher are 167... On motorla's site it doesn't name 167 to be a bus speed for the 7455..
Is this possibly an IBM chip? After a review of IBM's chip site it appears not. None of the G4 chips on these sites fit the new mac! Either they haven't updated their sites or something very odd is going on.
Maybe they have found a way to warp the proccesor into another dimension in which time goes faster than here and in doing so creating a 250Mhz gap.
I don't know... Here's IBM's PowerPC site http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/powerpc/
Flusterred,
Conrad
If you would take a look at Motorola's website you will see that the 7455 is only cable of 1Ghz normally. Site: http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/taxonomy.jsp?nodeId=03M943030450467M98653
What also makes me wonder here is about the 133/167Mhz bus... If you haven't noticed the base model is 133 and the higher are 167... On motorla's site it doesn't name 167 to be a bus speed for the 7455..
Is this possibly an IBM chip? After a review of IBM's chip site it appears not. None of the G4 chips on these sites fit the new mac! Either they haven't updated their sites or something very odd is going on.
Maybe they have found a way to warp the proccesor into another dimension in which time goes faster than here and in doing so creating a 250Mhz gap.
I don't know... Here's IBM's PowerPC site http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/powerpc/
Flusterred,
Conrad
I guess. I would need to run Lotus Notes, IBM Visual Age, Novell connectivity, and some compilers. If the emulation can even run as fast as an old Pentium II 400 or around that figure, I would be set!
But I could never find any benchmarks for VPC, all the ones compare VPC 5.0 to an old one, or to a Pentium 75Mhz. Does anybody know if any exist?
they missed an opportunity for advertising silliness
I'm just bummed that they didn't use Bill Cosby to do a promo for the new power macs. He could have done a snippet from his "200 Miles Per Hour" skit, in which a friend of his is building him a car that has "dual .... EVERYTHING".
I mean, seriously it has dual drive bays in front, dual drive bays inside, dual firewire, dual USB, dual CPUs, dual headed video cards, dual OS support, ...
(I didn't view any of their ads, but am just assuming they weren't this clever, and in general have not had any video specifically touting the new boxes.)
I'm just bummed that they didn't use Bill Cosby to do a promo for the new power macs. He could have done a snippet from his "200 Miles Per Hour" skit, in which a friend of his is building him a car that has "dual .... EVERYTHING".
I mean, seriously it has dual drive bays in front, dual drive bays inside, dual firewire, dual USB, dual CPUs, dual headed video cards, dual OS support, ...
(I didn't view any of their ads, but am just assuming they weren't this clever, and in general have not had any video specifically touting the new boxes.)
Re: price is important
I wholeheartedly agree Down with Jobs! Seriously, you wouldn't happen to be an apple shareholder, would you?
I wholeheartedly agree
Down with Jobs! Seriously, you wouldn't happen to be an apple shareholder, would you?apple management reply
I didnt say down with Jobs - I just think that they need a more balanced leadership group. That could include SJ, I think.
And no, I am not going to use a PC. I just want Apple to think a little more clearly sometimes......
Using OSX and I love it (mostly) and I love it more as I discover what I can do with it. I would not consider OS9 again (although I need it for SoundEdit 16 and a few other things.
Still the new machines are too expensive.
I didnt say down with Jobs - I just think that they need a more balanced leadership group. That could include SJ, I think.
And no, I am not going to use a PC. I just want Apple to think a little more clearly sometimes......
Using OSX and I love it (mostly) and I love it more as I discover what I can do with it. I would not consider OS9 again (although I need it for SoundEdit 16 and a few other things.
Still the new machines are too expensive.
Re: Re: the speed
Very interesting observation. Apple has used different chips in a powermac family before... this just might cause a few more people to wait and see what those chips will actually be...(unless someone with facts can step foward)
BTW, is there any thorough documentation of these 7460 or 7470 chips? I've done a few searches and can only find processor roadmaps and people referring to a couple of rumored reports by The Register.
Thanks.
Very interesting observation. Apple has used different chips in a powermac family before... this just might cause a few more people to wait and see what those chips will actually be...(unless someone with facts can step foward)
BTW, is there any thorough documentation of these 7460 or 7470 chips? I've done a few searches and can only find processor roadmaps and people referring to a couple of rumored reports by The Register.
Thanks.
Re: Re: price is important
That was because Gil had already put apple through all of the tough recovery and SJ just came in and took all the credit. Still, killing the clones was a good SJ idea, but boy did he take a lot of flak for it.
That was because Gil had already put apple through all of the tough recovery and SJ just came in and took all the credit. Still, killing the clones was a good SJ idea, but boy did he take a lot of flak for it.