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PowerPC 970GX Reference?
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szark
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GFLPraxis said:
The graphics card manufacturers have stated that they will be producing only PCIe cards after a certain point in the future, so Apple wouldn't really have much choice.
Also, this article claims that Apple expects to use PCIe in future systems.
I don't want to ruin all of your dreams, but the 970GX is already in use and it's not 3GHz.
The 970FX is cooler than the 970 and has a 512k L2 cache.
The 970GX consumes less power than the 970FX and has a 1MB L2 cache.
The IBM blade server now uses a 2.3GHz "970" chip with a 1MB L2 cache>970GX.
The 970FX is cooler than the 970 and has a 512k L2 cache.
The 970GX consumes less power than the 970FX and has a 1MB L2 cache.
The IBM blade server now uses a 2.3GHz "970" chip with a 1MB L2 cache>970GX.
Mord
macrumors G4
blade servers cant use really fast cpu's because of the size of the things, the GX will hit 3GHz
http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/s...Id=2586156&storeId=1&catalogId=-840&langId=-1
they use 512k of cache
http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/s...Id=2586156&storeId=1&catalogId=-840&langId=-1
they use 512k of cache
MrCommunistGen
macrumors regular
I agree
I think i read somewhere that due to the higher latencies you shouldn't expect to get any real performance benefit until DDR2 hits 667 or 733 Mhz
Another industry corrupted by the Mhz Myth! 🙁
-mcg
gekko513 said:
I think i read somewhere that due to the higher latencies you shouldn't expect to get any real performance benefit until DDR2 hits 667 or 733 Mhz
Another industry corrupted by the Mhz Myth! 🙁
-mcg
gekko513 said:
Most modules you'll find on online part dealers have CAS 3 with piss poor timings like 8-4-4. Not sure exactly why.
There are some INSANE modules out there that'll cost a whole lotta bucks for a 1GB kit, like the OCZ VX PC4000 (see the review posted yesterday on Anandtech), but the problem with them is that you really need an enthusiast board that supports like 3.6v. Insane timings on those things which, on one test system at the determined optimal settings got a framerate of over 650 on Q3A 🙂
EDIT: whoops, didn't read DDR2. DDR2 as it currently stands is a pipedream for high performance, but dealers like Dell are sure getting it out there for people, eh?
ziwi
macrumors 65816
GX no GX that is the question. I just have a feeling that the GX is released in a PB the same time the dual core MP is released in the PM - just a feeling I have - dropping a 2.0 GX into a PB right now almost invalidates the PM line...somehting big is going to happen - I feel it, but when - your guess as good as mine.
Well - a "cold water" posting from me on this potential news. A "speed bump" on the high end PowerMac does not do much for me 🙁
At this stage of the game I am looking for dual 970mp processors with SATA2 support, PCI-express support and some improvement in price/standard memory and hard drive capacity. My fear is that a speed bump could signal a longer delay in release of the 970mp AND Intel is underway @ full speed on dual core.
My point is that Apple/IBM have an opportunity to leap to the front with dual core chips - they will become the speed standard - especially with Tiger headed our way soon.
With the advent of dual core technology we may see the GHz rating to be less relevant and mips or flops become more meaningful as a way of rating computing power.
BTW - not certain of how to best express my question - but does a dual core processor present itself as a single processor or as two processors viv a vis the software? When / if two dual core processors are released will there be software that can take advantage of four processors (assuming that a dual core processor presents itself as two processors)?
OK - you "tech heads" can translate my question into something that is more technically correct, but you get the idea of what I am asking.
At this stage of the game I am looking for dual 970mp processors with SATA2 support, PCI-express support and some improvement in price/standard memory and hard drive capacity. My fear is that a speed bump could signal a longer delay in release of the 970mp AND Intel is underway @ full speed on dual core.
My point is that Apple/IBM have an opportunity to leap to the front with dual core chips - they will become the speed standard - especially with Tiger headed our way soon.
With the advent of dual core technology we may see the GHz rating to be less relevant and mips or flops become more meaningful as a way of rating computing power.
BTW - not certain of how to best express my question - but does a dual core processor present itself as a single processor or as two processors viv a vis the software? When / if two dual core processors are released will there be software that can take advantage of four processors (assuming that a dual core processor presents itself as two processors)?
OK - you "tech heads" can translate my question into something that is more technically correct, but you get the idea of what I am asking.
James Philp
macrumors 65816
G5 Speed bumps
To all those who are hailing the increase to 3GHz (inevitable eventually), can I just ask what difference it will really make? If I had the money to a 2x2.5 G5, I'd buy it for longevity, but I doubt I would ever really push the system! For running all but the top .5% of apps, will you ever really notice a major difference in slightly increased CPU speed? .5 of a second here and 3 FPS there isn't going to part the red sea!
Gaming is the only thing I can think of where people keep pushing and pushing spec. I used to be someone who cared about it, constantly considering ugrades to the GPU etc. but I solved it a few years ago:
Bought a XBox to satisfy my gaming tooth (which is by no means meagre), which it does splendidly, and a Mac for all the rest - and have never regretted my decision.
How many people can really say they will rely upon and constantly use the extra 0.5GHz?
To all those who are hailing the increase to 3GHz (inevitable eventually), can I just ask what difference it will really make? If I had the money to a 2x2.5 G5, I'd buy it for longevity, but I doubt I would ever really push the system! For running all but the top .5% of apps, will you ever really notice a major difference in slightly increased CPU speed? .5 of a second here and 3 FPS there isn't going to part the red sea!
Gaming is the only thing I can think of where people keep pushing and pushing spec. I used to be someone who cared about it, constantly considering ugrades to the GPU etc. but I solved it a few years ago:
Bought a XBox to satisfy my gaming tooth (which is by no means meagre), which it does splendidly, and a Mac for all the rest - and have never regretted my decision.
How many people can really say they will rely upon and constantly use the extra 0.5GHz?
dongmin
macrumors 68000
Big deal because:James Philp said:
1. Psychological/marketing boost to finally having a 3.x ghz system.
2. The GX runs cooler than the FX which means no more liquid cooling voodoo. Also means G5 can make its way to smaller form-factors like the eMac, Mini, and (gasp) PowerBoook.
3. The bump means the 2x2.0 systems and 2x2.5 systems will be cheaper, which is where most of are going to play.
4. The sooner they release a GX, the sonner we'll see an MP.
NAB 2005
Is it not possible that Apple announces upgraded g5 towers to coincide with NAB, April 16th-21 in Las Vegas? After all, it is the world's largest electronic media show. And since NAB will attract all sorts of media professionals, this would be the perfect place to debut new G5 towers to go along with their debut of FCP 5 and Quick time 7.
~Shard~ said:
Is it not possible that Apple announces upgraded g5 towers to coincide with NAB, April 16th-21 in Las Vegas? After all, it is the world's largest electronic media show. And since NAB will attract all sorts of media professionals, this would be the perfect place to debut new G5 towers to go along with their debut of FCP 5 and Quick time 7.
James Philp said:
I totally agree with you about mac gaming. If you buy a PC mostly for gaming you're wasting your money on a mac, you can get a cheaper pc with much more games of even better, a cheap game console.
There are, however, a bunch of very demanding graphics apps like lightwave, combustion, photoshop.. any film/animation/3d program can never be fast enough and all speed boosts in GPU, ram, CPU make a huge difference not only for render times but also real time feedback while creating. If you don't use these programs you really are probably spending more than you need to on a powermac. If i didn't i'd be getting a imac in a heart beat but alas, i do, so i'm a slave(semi happily)to the biggest and best.
mad jew said:
Yeah.. and I hope before June! Apple would be makeing a mistake waiting that long to upgrade desktops.
just my thoughts..go easy 🙂
sinisterdesign
macrumors 6502
ClimbingTheLog said:
thanks for taking me so seriously, i feel my sarcasm has really touched someone in a positive way.
[off-topic] i honestly don't believe i'm alone in thinking that it's silly for an industry design/usability leader such as Apple to still package 1-button mice w/ their computers in 2005. i don't believe i would garner "apple"ation from steve considering i was in a meeting where another employee asked him outright if we were ever going to produce a 2-button mouse. steve called it a "failure of design" that software would need 2 buttons.
i don't care if steve still wants to reach over w/ his free hand and click the 'control' button every couple minutes, but make it an option on my BTO G5. that way i can put that $29 towards a much more useful mouse. [/off-topic]
hey! let's go, new G5's!!!
SiliconAddict
macrumors 603
Sun Baked
macrumors G5
Buy an Mini, then you won't be burdened by Apple bundling in that one-button mouse. 😉sinisterdesign said:
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Should be interesting to see what power refinements have been made with the 970GX, or if the .8-1V power envelope problem (970FX) has been fixed and will allow PowerTune these voltage ranges.
SiliconAddict
macrumors 603
Steven1621 said:
They aren't going to give a crap because AMD and Intel will have dual cores well before Apple\IBM. 🙄 Dual cores from Intel are expected to ship 1/2 half of the year. Dual cores from AMD are expected in second half and there is talk that 1st quarter '06 will bring dual core Pentium M's which, barring a major event from IBM or Moto is going to make the PowerBook look even sadder. Don't play the look who's catching up game with Intel and AMD. The competition between those two is hot enough that progression in the market makes IBM look like they are standing still. To be sure the 3Ghz G5 is going to rock but AMD and Intel will always be a step ahead because of the head on competition between the two.
There is one possibility though. You know what I'm talking about. If IBM and Apple intro some sort of sell processor or possibly some CPU with cell type characteristics they could leap ahead. I won't discount IBM but as it stand they aren't really in any position to brag. Yet.
Fredstar
macrumors 6502a
This should be on page 2, i emailed the guy and he just came across it in his research for the artical and included it, he is not an ibm developer either!
"I don't actually know; I saw it listed in one of the articles I was reading for research, so I included it on the list."
But imo if we don't see 3ghz speed bumps it would be embarrassing for Steve, i don't personally need it (probs never will) but not only are the cutting edge dual 2.5's lagging a bit now but he might not even meet a promise a further year later.
"I don't actually know; I saw it listed in one of the articles I was reading for research, so I included it on the list."
But imo if we don't see 3ghz speed bumps it would be embarrassing for Steve, i don't personally need it (probs never will) but not only are the cutting edge dual 2.5's lagging a bit now but he might not even meet a promise a further year later.