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Maybe I should have phased my question more clearly. As much as I love retro computing in general (Adrian is by far my favorite retro YouTuber) you have to admit that it is essentially a hobby for the affluent. Vintage computers from 20 or 30 years ago are utterly useless for modern day-to-day tasks. In my personal opinion even something as recent as a Core 2 Duo is utter garbage if you want to use modern software, modern services, and modern ways and means to get things done. That's why I don't get the point of this "challenge" 🤷‍♀️
 
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Someone needs to point out Dronecatchers G3 youtube solution that he posted today to Action Retro. He is probably sick of me hijacking his threads on youtube. I would actually be genuinely interested to see if it would work on his Wallstreet. Bet it would, if he could have gotten the G4 upgrade to work it definitely would have worked. I mean, it is a PowerPC challenge is it not? Where's the fun if you just use Tenfourfox boxes....
 
Someone needs to point out Dronecatchers G3 youtube solution that he posted today to Action Retro. He is probably sick of me hijacking his threads on youtube. I would actually be genuinely interested to see if it would work on his Wallstreet. Bet it would, if he could have gotten the G4 upgrade to work it definitely would have worked. I mean, it is a PowerPC challenge is it not? Where's the fun if you just use Tenfourfox boxes....
144P playback should be no problem - it's youtube-dl parsing the url that snarls up the CPU.

I don't think I've ever persuaded any Youtuber to consider anything but TenFiveTube - seems if it requires more than one click they're not interested :D

Actually I've just scrolled through the comments under Action Retro's video - there's already enough embarassing self promotion in there without me adding to it :D
 
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I may participate this year, after taking a few years off.

Now the question is, do I go for "hardcore mode" or "simple mode"?

Simple mode would be a later (1 GHz+) system running 10.4 or 10.5. Probably my Titanium PowerBook G4.

Hardcore mode would be a *pre-Mac OS 9* system. I'm thinking either a PPC-upgraded PowerBook 540c or an ancient Power Macintosh 6100 or 7100. If I go for 6100, I'd even use the DOS-Compatible model running Windows 95 or NT 4.0 for my Windows uses...
 
Vintage computers from 20 or 30 years ago are utterly useless for modern day-to-day tasks.
Depends on what your day-to-day tasks are. I regularly use a 25 year old computer for many of my day to day tasks (though not all of course). But I spend 85% of my day in a terminal so the age of the computer really doesn't matter for what I need from it. Everyone's mileage will vary.
 
I may participate this year, after taking a few years off.

Now the question is, do I go for "hardcore mode" or "simple mode"?

Simple mode would be a later (1 GHz+) system running 10.4 or 10.5. Probably my Titanium PowerBook G4.

Hardcore mode would be a *pre-Mac OS 9* system. I'm thinking either a PPC-upgraded PowerBook 540c or an ancient Power Macintosh 6100 or 7100. If I go for 6100, I'd even use the DOS-Compatible model running Windows 95 or NT 4.0 for my Windows uses...
I'm thinking about doing it with a titanium PowerBook, if I do it this year.
 
Maybe I should have phased my question more clearly. As much as I love retro computing in general (Adrian is by far my favorite retro YouTuber) you have to admit that it is essentially a hobby for the affluent. Vintage computers from 20 or 30 years ago are utterly useless for modern day-to-day tasks. In my personal opinion even something as recent as a Core 2 Duo is utter garbage if you want to use modern software, modern services, and modern ways and means to get things done. That's why I don't get the point of this "challenge" 🤷‍♀️
Yeah I have to disagree with everything said here.

This depends on what you consider "day-to-day tasks". For most people that's probably an M$ Office type of program and google. This is absolutely and 100% possible on even slow G3s.
The problem is that software today is utter trash, rather than the older machines. There is absolutely zero reason that you should need the type of computers we have today for things such as word documents and watching web videos.
Software has become bloated.

As for saying that even a Core 2 Duo is useless...That has to be by far the most false statement here. My GF is an online reseller as a side gig. Her computer for this professional work? a Core 2 Duo iMac from 2009 running Mojave.
I also have plenty of C2D era machines, they are more than enough for anything you need to do online. Short of modern gaming and 4K video editing.

The point of this challenge? That depends. I find it fun. I also enjoy proving people with this mindset wrong.
 
As for saying that even a Core 2 Duo is useless...That has to be by far the most false statement here. My GF is an online reseller as a side gig. Her computer for this professional work? a Core 2 Duo iMac from 2009 running Mojave.
I also have plenty of C2D era machines, they are more than enough for anything you need to do online. Short of modern gaming and 4K video editing.
Yep, a C2D is still perfectly capable for a lot of what people need computers for. HD Youtube, social media, web browsing, and office all work just fine.

-sent from my 2009 MacBook
 
@Project Alice I also wholeheartedly agree with most of your synopsis ... but it wasn't a true / false statement. It was clearly prefixed as his personal opinion, and he should therefore be permitted to say whatever he pleases (to a sane extent), irregardless of whether it actually holds any weight. And that's ordinarily up to the reader to discern, anyway - the Internet is a free and open place of discourse and information resting solely upon the condition that the users will it so in the first place.

It is my personal opinion that the pandemic was a wholly manufactured event in order to fulfill a one-sided objective that I will refrain from detailing here. But, objective truths aside, until I provide unfiltered records and evidence in support of this hypothesis (which I can), it will remain a mere world view and nothing more. Traditionally speaking.

Thereby when something is prefixed as a personal opinion, it is usually heavily implied that the reader is to regard it as such.

@wicknix Simple as that. :)
 
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Most certainly it depends on the use case. If you want to use Spotify, Discord, Netflix, Hulu, modern versions of Photoshop or similar apps, a lot of these are not as easy (or even possible) on a system like a lower-end G3/G4. However I could use my first Mac ever, a Quadra 950, for basic Office applications and document creation. It all depends on the individual's use case and their willingness to use third-party, more complex workarounds when something does not work or abandoning a particular app on that system.

Once you graduate into the 64-Bit Intel machines though the lines become quite blurred. 2010 iMac is most certainly fine for average consumer work and the C2Ds aren't far behind. I won't expect them to edit 4K very well but that's not the majority user workflow.
 
@Project Alice I also wholeheartedly agree with most of your synopsis ... but it wasn't a true / false statement. It was clearly prefixed as his personal opinion, and he should therefore be permitted to say whatever he pleases (to a sane extent), irregardless of whether it actually holds any weight. And that's ordinarily up to the reader to discern, anyway - the Internet is a free and open place of discourse and information resting solely upon the condition that the users will it so in the first place.

It is my personal opinion that the pandemic was a wholly manufactured event in order to fulfill a one-sided objective that I will refrain from detailing here. But, objective truths aside, until I provide unfiltered records and evidence in support of this hypothesis (which I can), it will remain a mere world view and nothing more. Traditionally speaking.

Thereby when something is prefixed as a personal opinion, it is usually heavily implied that the reader is to regard it as such.

@wicknix Simple as that. :)
I’d say it was a true / false statement in the way that it was said. At least it sounded like it to me🤷🏼‍♂️
You are right technically it is an opinion, but that can be said about anything.
The difference between facts and opinions is that facts have proof to back up the facts.

There’s definitely more than enough proof that C2D machines are not useless. And we’ve all proven that even PPC machines work fine for basic work.
 
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@Project Alice I can't sympathize. As a technical limitation, text cannot properly carry tone, pitch, and flow in the same way that vocal speech can, so it is needless to say an unreliable indicator of what context any given sentence may have been made in. More factors are at play to sabotage it in this sense as well.

For instance, I have noticed that men are on average more likely to end sentences with periods than women, naturally giving their textual speech a more "factual" feel than otherwise.

Certain personalities can commonly produce a natural "monotone", "robotic", or "deadpan" communication flow and tone, in both online commentary (to whatever extent possible) and conversation. Both of which I can personally attest to, as it happens.

Many individuals strongly subconsciously believe a subjective truth or other reality that can incidentally seep into their writing without their noticing, still producing said factual feel even if that was not their original intention.

Combine all three (and maybe more) together, and inevitably, you have a misunderstanding waiting to happen.

Anyway, I suppose it all comes down to persuasion of adoption of subjective truth when you get situations like these. One makes commentary, another tries to modify their world view stemming from a definition misalignment, both remain rooted for usually undisclosed core motives, etc. ... At that point, you sometimes have to verify where exactly your priorities lie just to go on in continuing the discussion, lest everyone waste their time chasing a lost cause...

But I digress. :)
 
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It's not really about self promotion, but rather informing people who don't frequent this forum that all this software is available for their old hardware that they otherwise wouldn't know about. ;)

You misunderstood me. When I've pointed out solutions on Youtuber's channels, I've presented myself as the author if applicable and/or pointed to other videos as evidence of the merits of such solutions.
I haven't pretended to be someone else recommending my own solutions with a huge advertising blurb and unsubstantiated superlatives.
 
@Dronecatcher To be perfectly honest, that was done more-so out of the desire to keep differing online identities separate, as well as being solely on the basis of having been a one-time exception. I did not make that, on the other hand, to create the impression of an artificial userbase in order to satisfy some questionable ulterior motive.

And please keep in mind that I also did not take that opportunity to recommend just my own solutions, but other people's solutions as well that the YouTuber did not appear to be previously aware of.

Still, maybe this visage was executed poorly, in which case I can understand that it might have been bad judgement after all.

Assuming so, I can just delete the comment if it's really that big of an issue.
 
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Admittedly, this visage was executed somewhat poorly and I can therefore understand that it might have been bad judgement after all, in which case I can simply delete the comment if it's that big of an issue.

I'm certainly not in the habit of endorsing censorship, I'm merely expressing my opinion on your way of doing things re advocating your own solutions - let something succeed or fail on it's own merits - if you rely on huge claims and those claims don't materialise, then you kill peoples trust in your advice.
 
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But, objective truths aside, until I provide unfiltered records and evidence in support of this hypothesis (which I can), it will remain a mere world view and nothing more. Traditionally speaking.

Good luck with that.
Recent events have show that data, facts and evidence are meaningless against demonstrative politicians and emotive, doomsday headlines.
 
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@Dronecatcher Make no mistake, I am in full agreement with that.

But on the same token, there is an equally valid point to be made that people who do not keep tabs on new developments to the same degree as we do should at least be made aware of their options available to them. The merits and capabilities as demonstrated in this subforum can only go so far - pertaining to many users' projects, I have found that the greater community will usually just blow right over them, and quite frankly, I think that is just an unnecessary waste for both sides. Insultingly so when Joe Average comes knocking two months later looking for solutions to problems that have already been solved, because he had no idea the solutions were ever even there to begin with.

With that being said, the only reason I even made an input in the first place (on a whim no less) is that he already seemed to like two of my other solutions, so I figured that there was no harm in introducing two more in the event that they never crossed his radar. And going by his response, I appear to have been proven right.

On that note, I also think there is no harm in you telling more people about your own solutions as well. In order for something to succeed or fail on its own merits, it needs users, even if only as a means to reach a conclusion.

Therefore, and this is my opinion, rather than let the solution stand alone, in an unknown status to decide whether it succeeds or fails, cast it out into the world and let its eventual users decide if it has ultimately succeeded or failed at its given purpose.

To me, that seems to be a fairer place to draw conclusions on what to do next.
 
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Therefore, and this is my opinion, rather than let the solution stand alone, in an unknown status to the public to decide whether it succeeds or fails, cast it out into the world and let its eventual users decide if it has succeeded or failed at its purpose.

But that's why I provide comparison facts and figures, screenshots and/or Youtube videos - people can see for themselves that it works - if they choose not to try it, that's their choice.
 
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@Dronecatcher I think that's just a personal difference in outlook and philosophy. Maybe this is to my own detriment, but I am of the simplified belief that a solution shouldn't need numbers to prove its worth. If people can really just feel a difference, or simply appreciate the packaging, convenience, and detail that might have gone into any one solution, then that should be able to speak for itself all on its own.

At which point, tests and benchmarks seem to become analytical justifications and little else, as they don't actually affect the end result; but merely measure and advertise it in a certain way. User perception however, does, and the best way to improve user perception of the solution is to make said solution's end result the absolute best it can be to the best of your ability in the first place.

Then when people just try it (this is where awareness can help decide if they're even interested in trying or not), they can then make the final decision for themselves on whether or not it's a good fit. :)

But that's just my current standing, anyway...
 
Maybe this is to my own detriment, but I am of the simplified belief that a solution shouldn't need numbers to prove its worth. If people can really just feel a difference, or simply appreciate the packaging, convenience, and detail that might have gone into any one solution, then that should be able to speak for itself all on its own.

I find this a very strange outlook - people tend to need persuading and in something like the computer realm, numbers usually work.

Although I do use stats/benchmarks/results etc to validate solutions I've offered, they do objectively and provably work without them in that they make something possible that wasn't possible before - subjective impressions like "it feels better/quicker/different" don't come into it.

Having worked in marketing and design I was quite expert in creating an impressive package to sell something mediocre or ordinary and whilst I did that for many years to pay the bills, I wouldn't dream of doing it in a community project like this.

Anyway....life's too short - we'll all move at our own speed.
 
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Yeah I have to disagree with everything said here.

This depends on what you consider "day-to-day tasks". For most people that's probably an M$ Office type of program and google. This is absolutely and 100% possible on even slow G3s.
The problem is that software today is utter trash, rather than the older machines. There is absolutely zero reason that you should need the type of computers we have today for things such as word documents and watching web videos.
Software has become bloated.

As for saying that even a Core 2 Duo is useless...That has to be by far the most false statement here. My GF is an online reseller as a side gig. Her computer for this professional work? a Core 2 Duo iMac from 2009 running Mojave.
I also have plenty of C2D era machines, they are more than enough for anything you need to do online. Short of modern gaming and 4K video editing.

The point of this challenge? That depends. I find it fun. I also enjoy proving people with this mindset wrong.
Pet peeve of mine. Can I ask that we let this go and stay in the 90's when it was(n't) fashionable?
 
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