Preliminary iPhone 1.1.1 'Jailbreak', Ringtones Soon?

[GQB]

]I just bought my iphone about a month ago i have version 1.1.1 so as right now theres no way of unlocking it? also if i downgrade to 1.0.2 would i still be able to use all my phone functions ??

banging.head.against.wall.weeping.

 

[SirusB1]

Fine... The 15 second long intrusions into the space of everyone within hearing distance of the latest piece of pop crap represents a high point in civilization.

Carry on.

I, as well as many who support custom ringtones agree with you, I detest garbage ringtones as much as the next guy.
I just don't think it's fair to lump all custom ringtone proponents in the same group.
IMO, the only option Apple has for "custom" ringtones is comprised mostly of pop crap, and personally, Marimba, et al. are intrusive and annoying to me.

 

[elcid]

]I just bought my iphone about a month ago i have version 1.1.1 so as right now theres no way of unlocking it? also if i downgrade to 1.0.2 would i still be able to use all my phone functions ??

If you have 1.1.1 then you have all your phone functions. You never had anything more. Your best bet is not to go back and not open up the can of worms that is 1.0.2 just to start complaining about 1.1.1. Be happy with 1.1.1 and don't worry about it.

 

[GQB]

I, as well as many who support custom ringtones agree with you, I detest garbage ringtones as much as the next guy.
I just don't think it's fair to lump all custom ringtone proponents in the same group.
IMO, the only option Apple has for "custom" ringtones is comprised mostly of pop crap, and personally, Marimba, et al. are intrusive and annoying to me.

And to join you, subtle, custom ringtones that let you distinguish your own phone from the crowd is indeed useful. I use a clicking tone on my company supplied Nokia (yeccchhhh) that no one else even notices, but I hear immediately. So point taken.

But patience, grasshopper. This is a 1st rev, fully software-based system. New features are going to be coming fast and furious, especially if Apple dev doesn't have to spend its time tap-dancing around a potential mine-field of hacks every time they want to push to the 99% of users who haven't commandeered their firmware.

 

[EagerDragon]

What you've just said, below, is exactly what I *always* hear from those in the "computer security" field. There's nothing about it that's technically "wrong". However, computer security people make a living trying to recommend "best practices" and in pursuit of a constant reduction in potential "vulnerabilities" for whatever products they're in charge of working with.

I work in I.T. (but not in a role of "security expert"). Rather, I do general systems administration - where security is part of my responsibility, along with everything else related to the hardware, software and network.

It's my belief that for most people, a balance is desired that gives the most flexibility and functionality out of a given device, while still making some effort at "security". Just as in the case of the small company I work for not being able to cost-justify hiring a "security expert" as part of our staff, the typical iPhone user can't "cost justify" the loss of all those 3rd. party applications *just* because a few security flaws are patched in the new firmware.

A lot of lip-service is paid to the wisdom of patching security flaws in advance of them being exploited by someone. Yet in reality, companies like mine have had considerable "downtime" due to Windows update patches that broke critical software, or even created problems for the OS itself afterwards. By contrast, in all the time I've worked here, I can't show a single instance where staying on top of one of these security patches prevented a security breach or outside "attack".

Fact is, a "security expert" could walk through my home right now and probably suggest 50 expensive steps I could take to "better secure" my home against intruders. Yet I don't care! I have locks on my doors and windows, and I keep them locked when I leave. Sure, I *may* still get my house burglarized someday .... but I'll take that relatively low risk vs. all the cost and inconvenience of a burglar alarm, extra locks and other measures.

Completly right, you have to examine what is being placed at risk, its value, etc against the cost of the security measure. It does not makes sense to spend $10.00 to protect something that cost a dollar.

As to patches .... Most iphones are not production servers, also waiting a day or two to see what others ran into is not a bad idea.

We test our patches before we roll them out to production, not sure what your set up is.

 

[SirusB1]

New features are going to be coming fast and furious, especially if Apple dev doesn't have to spend its time tap-dancing around a potential mine-field of hacks every time they want to push to the 99% of users who haven't commandeered their firmware.

I really hope so. I'm on the fence about 3rd part apps, etc. I like the fact that users have the option to install them if they'd like, but I do realize that it causes Apple to use more resources to combat it, like you mentioned.
I'm still running 1.0.2, strictly for the use of iToner. I've entertained the idea of installing 3rd party apps, but I, unlike many, heed the "use at your own risk" warning. I think Apple should proceed with their updates, and not even bother tap-dancing as you say. I'm becoming annoyed with the people who admittedly "hack" their iPhone and then worry and complain about official updates causing them problems.

Like I said, I like the fact that there are options, but people must understand that, at this point, those options come with risk.

 

[GQB]

Like I said, I like the fact that there are options, but people must understand that, at this point, those options come with risk.

With THIS crowd? C'mon.

 

[grappler]

I suppose one side effect of all these games with 1.1.1 could be improved security. With a lot of bright people hammering away in a race to break in, and posting about their experiences on the web, Apple can take note of exactly where the weaknesses are.

Then, assuming they release an SDK later, maybe they will have used all this free security testing to help lock down the areas of the phone that really should be secure to guard against malicious code.

A guy can hope...

 

[Bosunsfate]

That would be great! Never thought of that, configuring your own gestures. Wasn't there a patent that Apple filed for a multi-touch pad with configurable gestures posted on Macrumors? Sounds familiar.

I don't know about that patent, but there is certainly a future for this type of thing.

FALSE.
Remember, the "1.45 million subscriber" figure doesn't account that many RIM handhelds are sold without RIM service agreements - apparently many consumers are buying them for their other smartphone features, not for RIM's push email network.

Your logic is not quite accurate. Most of those sales are for users who already have subscriptions and are replacing an older handset.

]I just bought my iphone about a month ago i have version 1.1.1 so as right now theres no way of unlocking it? also if i downgrade to 1.0.2 would i still be able to use all my phone functions ??

Please take your iPhone to the nearest Apple store and return it.

 

[longofest]

A lot of lip-service is paid to the wisdom of patching security flaws in advance of them being exploited by someone. Yet in reality, companies like mine have had considerable "downtime" due to Windows update patches that broke critical software, or even created problems for the OS itself afterwards. By contrast, in all the time I've worked here, I can't show a single instance where staying on top of one of these security patches prevented a security breach or outside "attack".

I hear what you're saying about applying security updates that break software. However, I really have a hard time believing that you can't identify ONE time that applying a patch did not save an outbreak.

Are we that far away from the Sasser outbreak? Microsoft patched the hole, and two weeks later Sasser (and variants) hit... millions of unpatched computers are affected and begin restarting.