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Preliminary iPhone 1.1.1 'Jailbreak', Ringtones Soon?
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I don't think there is any evidence for this, but I think it is the logicaly postion to take. Apple is in bed with the record labels and is in the process of trying to woo the film studios. This puts them in a very difficult postion, if they don't at least attempt to meet their demands, they risk a messy divorce. For sure both parties would lose out, but in my opinion Apple has the most to lose. The record labels current business model is relic from the past and they are desperately trying to sustain it. This is a battle that they will lose in the end, what is still up in the air is who will replace them. This is the position I think Apple is trying to position itself in and the labels know it.
In short Apple needs to keep them sweet. Nokia and the rest don't, as the labels have no leverage against them. So it's not unreasonable to assume that they are applying the pressure.
i'm offering you an explanation.
you know that apple run a huge music selling business. you know the music sold doesn't include a ringtone license. if you were look it up you would see that ringtones are a huge money spinner for music companies. they outsell singles by a massive margin. yes, it's my opinion that the music companies would want to protect this revenue stream and would be very keen that one of the world's biggest music shops doesn't allow a way for them to miss out of ringtone revenue. i think it's a pretty solid conclusion. i don't see how you expect me to provide hard evidence of the thinking of a record company or which part you think is unlikely to be true.
Those explainations work quite well for Nokia and Motorola. But what about Sony Ericsson? Why are they not hamstrung like Apple?
Pretty sure Sony is pretty successful with selling music and movies.
How could the record companies go after the likes of Nokia, SE, Motorola et al? The ring tone editor itself isn't illegal, is it?
You may find this article interesting.
http://www.itsj.com/launchpage.aspx...54038&ITSJID=892446&PROSPID=0&ISSUEID=8380287
http://www.itsj.com/launchpage.aspx...54038&ITSJID=892446&PROSPID=0&ISSUEID=8380287
The same way the movie industry went after the DVD copying program (I forget the name). If product creates something that is illegal (we of course are assuming that creating ringtones is illegal if you don't pay RIAA/Artist) should the product itself be sold?
I suspect SE is different because they are not trying to bring build a Multimedia megastore like itunes and hence are not a treat to the current business model of the labels/studios.
Sony certainly has it's finger in the pie with it's record label and online music store (Though didn't sony recently announce they were closing it?), but it is certainly not a leader in the electronic delivery of media. And as they are part of the club, they have vested interest in maintaining the current status quo.
Ironically, Sony could have easily have been the dominant player today. Manufacturer of portable music players, inhouse studios, inhouse record label! They were in a prime position to dominate the market, but through a lack of foresight and wishful thinking , they failed to see the impact the internet would have on their business.
Sony certainly has it's finger in the pie with it's record label and online music store (Though didn't sony recently announce they were closing it?), but it is certainly not a leader in the electronic delivery of media. And as they are part of the club, they have vested interest in maintaining the current status quo.
Ironically, Sony could have easily have been the dominant player today. Manufacturer of portable music players, inhouse studios, inhouse record label! They were in a prime position to dominate the market, but through a lack of foresight and wishful thinking , they failed to see the impact the internet would have on their business.
but they sell it through other company's shops and those shops aren't intimately tied to a mobile phone. if they were i bet they would offer separate ringtones and then make that work with the phone is question.
I thought it was the fact that the DVD copying program circumvented the DMCA (by unencrypting protected DVD content) that was the legal basis for the movie studios going after DVD CopyX?
Actually, no they're not, which is why they are in the process of closing their Sony Connect music store:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070830-sony-euthanizes-sony-connect.html
I wasn't referring to their store. I was referring to the studio's (both music and movie) that Sony owns. You would think with having all of that in house that Sony would be harder on themselves than on others.
Of course I imagine Ericsson has some pull in this situation. After all they (SE) are the 2nd most profitable phone seller (behind Nokia, and according to Wiki). So they have to be doing something right. EDIT: found that they are number 4 in the manufacturing of phones behind Nokia, Motorola, and Samsung.
Spoken like a true "security expert" ....
What you've just said, below, is exactly what I *always* hear from those in the "computer security" field. There's nothing about it that's technically "wrong". However, computer security people make a living trying to recommend "best practices" and in pursuit of a constant reduction in potential "vulnerabilities" for whatever products they're in charge of working with.
I work in I.T. (but not in a role of "security expert"). Rather, I do general systems administration - where security is part of my responsibility, along with everything else related to the hardware, software and network.
It's my belief that for most people, a balance is desired that gives the most flexibility and functionality out of a given device, while still making some effort at "security". Just as in the case of the small company I work for not being able to cost-justify hiring a "security expert" as part of our staff, the typical iPhone user can't "cost justify" the loss of all those 3rd. party applications *just* because a few security flaws are patched in the new firmware.
A lot of lip-service is paid to the wisdom of patching security flaws in advance of them being exploited by someone. Yet in reality, companies like mine have had considerable "downtime" due to Windows update patches that broke critical software, or even created problems for the OS itself afterwards. By contrast, in all the time I've worked here, I can't show a single instance where staying on top of one of these security patches prevented a security breach or outside "attack".
Fact is, a "security expert" could walk through my home right now and probably suggest 50 expensive steps I could take to "better secure" my home against intruders. Yet I don't care! I have locks on my doors and windows, and I keep them locked when I leave. Sure, I *may* still get my house burglarized someday .... but I'll take that relatively low risk vs. all the cost and inconvenience of a burglar alarm, extra locks and other measures.
What you've just said, below, is exactly what I *always* hear from those in the "computer security" field. There's nothing about it that's technically "wrong". However, computer security people make a living trying to recommend "best practices" and in pursuit of a constant reduction in potential "vulnerabilities" for whatever products they're in charge of working with.
I work in I.T. (but not in a role of "security expert"). Rather, I do general systems administration - where security is part of my responsibility, along with everything else related to the hardware, software and network.
It's my belief that for most people, a balance is desired that gives the most flexibility and functionality out of a given device, while still making some effort at "security". Just as in the case of the small company I work for not being able to cost-justify hiring a "security expert" as part of our staff, the typical iPhone user can't "cost justify" the loss of all those 3rd. party applications *just* because a few security flaws are patched in the new firmware.
A lot of lip-service is paid to the wisdom of patching security flaws in advance of them being exploited by someone. Yet in reality, companies like mine have had considerable "downtime" due to Windows update patches that broke critical software, or even created problems for the OS itself afterwards. By contrast, in all the time I've worked here, I can't show a single instance where staying on top of one of these security patches prevented a security breach or outside "attack".
Fact is, a "security expert" could walk through my home right now and probably suggest 50 expensive steps I could take to "better secure" my home against intruders. Yet I don't care! I have locks on my doors and windows, and I keep them locked when I leave. Sure, I *may* still get my house burglarized someday .... but I'll take that relatively low risk vs. all the cost and inconvenience of a burglar alarm, extra locks and other measures.
Intel procs for iPhone
We heard a rumor not to long ago that Intel procs are coming to the iPhone.
I wonder if Apple will sandbox every app on the iPhone once really powerful, ultra low power, processors hit the market from Intel.
This would go a long way to stop these hacks that take advantage of buffer overruns.
edit: link - https://www.macrumors.com/2007/10/03/intel-inside-future-iphone/
We heard a rumor not to long ago that Intel procs are coming to the iPhone.
I wonder if Apple will sandbox every app on the iPhone once really powerful, ultra low power, processors hit the market from Intel.
This would go a long way to stop these hacks that take advantage of buffer overruns.
edit: link - https://www.macrumors.com/2007/10/03/intel-inside-future-iphone/
You should try installer.app sometime, you might feel better, and not cheated out of a great phone. Like I said, i'll buy you a new phone if installer.app bricks yours. I've already put it on 3 of my friend's, told them not to upgrade to 1.1.1 for a little while till it's updated, they've had no issues and have been a lot happier. Did someone say YAHTZEE! - inside (five dice) joke
Fact is, I enjoy watching the propeller-head crowd having fun with the iPhone. Ultimately, its a toy (albeit a useful one) and people should wring all the enjoyment out of it that they can.
My problem is twofold
1) exploiting a security hole AND then making Apple the devil for closing it. (and saying 'but they should leave all the artifacts of that hole in place) is downright silly.
2) Apple has taken a pretty significant risk (as noted by pre-release critics who gleefully predicted the phone's spectular failure) in entering a new market with a radically new (for them) platform. The thing has been out little over 12 weeks, and I guarantee that the plan is for incremental feature releases (e.g. touch gesture library, maybe even an SDK). I just think that they should have fairly exclusive rights in the beginning to perfect their platform. When I finish a painting and sell it to you, I don't have much say about what you do with it. But if I'm letting you display it as I work on it, and you come along and add your own scribbles that I have to erase, it really impedes the work. (OK, I'm joining the stupid analogy crowd.
) Finally, I think that anyone who would eschew updates clearly designed to patch security holes is an idiot. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
Impatience is understandable, but the rush to wrest ownership of the platform from Apple this early is just a little premature.
Unlike a lot of the geniuses on this forum, I don't think Apple is run by idiots. At least not any more.
"Hey great, I have the latest update! Makes the phone boring and much less useful for me, but at least it's secure!"
Is someone an idiot for not updating to Mac OS X 10.4.10 if, say, it breaks their favorite application? Even if there are lots of security updates in 10.4.10? This happens pretty often...
Admittedly as one who thinks use of songs as ringtones is the stupidest, most annoying thing short of turned-on phones in performances and opening a brightly lit phone screen in a dark theatre), I have to ask...
Just how many ***** ringtones does anyone use that .99 per is going to break them? What lack of a life does this obsession imply?
Just asking.
Ah, the song of one who apparently doesn't need his job.
I'll make you a bet.
You skip the next Windows security patch, and tell your management that you're doing so because you can't prove that anyone has tried to exploit the previously patched exploits in your environment. Also add that you want to skip it because it would prevent you from installing this cool shareware app on everyone's computer. (Or better yet, that you've already exploited the hole yourself to install cool apps in the environment, and as a result, the patch might hose the network.)
See you on the unemployment line.
A lack of a life? Must you insult people with different wants than your own?
It's nice to be able to hear who is calling without picking up the phone to look. I'd prefer the caller ID on my Mac screen option that I've had on other phones via BluePhoneElite, but that's not a feature on the iPhone.
What lack of friends does your perception imply?
"Hey great, I have the latest update! Makes the phone boring and much less useful for me, but at least it's secure!"
Is someone an idiot for not updating to Mac OS X 10.4.10 if, say, it breaks their favorite application? Even if there are lots of security updates in 10.4.10? This happens pretty often...
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Phone, browser, photos, movies, music, PDA, Maps (etc etc), and ground-breaking ease-of-use and integration of all of the above.
Please do tell the share app (or collection thereof) that carries more value than the above core functionality.
I'm breathlessly waiting.
Again... Its your lump of plastic and glass to break as you wish. My point is that its not the responsibility of Apple or its stockholders to finance the work necessary to tippy-toe around your play-time.
And leaving a known buffer overflow vulnerability in place? Yes, that is idiotic. Sorry.
Fine... The 15 second long intrusions into the space of everyone within hearing distance of the latest piece of pop crap represents a high point in civilization.
But yes, I should not resort to the ad-homonim. mea Culpa.
Carry on.
iphone 1.1.1
]I just bought my iphone about a month ago i have version 1.1.1 so as right now theres no way of unlocking it? also if i downgrade to 1.0.2 would i still be able to use all my phone functions ??
]I just bought my iphone about a month ago i have version 1.1.1 so as right now theres no way of unlocking it? also if i downgrade to 1.0.2 would i still be able to use all my phone functions ??