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What is he a charity now? Just because he's elected President he has to give away his personal money to help others? Sure, right after you sell your fancy new iPhone and donate that money to charity too... :rolleyes:

Actually...plenty of people do see him as a charity. Except, he's not giving his money, we're giving ours. This is the sense of entitlement I was talking about earlier, in rare form. As soon as you offer services to "people that need it", they will forever be stuck in the twilight zone of "I'm in need, give it to me!". It's sad, really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
 
Wow. All the Obama haters have really come out of the woodwork in this thread.

I'll just step aside and let you rant.

I hope it will be therapeutic.

:cool:
 
lol at all these people ranting about Obama. The guy has been elected (not a fluke) your president for the next 4 years.

barack-obama-deal-with-it-on-the-phone-meme.jpg
 
Actually...plenty of people do see him as a charity. Except, he's not giving his money, we're giving ours. This is the sense of entitlement I was talking about earlier, in rare form. As soon as you offer services to "people that need it", they will forever be stuck in the twilight zone of "I'm in need, give it to me!". It's sad, really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

Some people are just ignorant. That lady in the video you posted is proof.

"Obamaphones?" That's just crazy talk.

It should be noted that people who are on welfare or whatnot can actually apply for and get what is basically a "food stamp phone". One of the many fees that these cell phone companies tack on to us paying customer's bills pays for them.

I'm all for giving a hand to people who are struggling to get by and need a little help if they are working to make their life better. But I do understand that for every situation where programs like this can help a person, there's another person like that ignorant lady who just wants to take advantage of the system. We need to fix the system so it can still help people but it can't be taken advantage of, but this is a whole big issue which would need its own thread.

But yeah, it's not like Obama is going down to the DC AT&T store with the white house credit card and then standing on the street corner giving away phones for free on taxpayer money. This kind of crap happens on both sides of the aisle, where the President is blamed for things that go wrong even though he had nothing to do with it the same way he is sometimes given credit for things he had nothing to do with also.

You haven't answered the question: what is that Chicago henchman doing in the picture? Is he a leading CEO now?

Why are you asking him and not arn who posted the article and picture??
 
So here is a civil question for all: why is that Chicago mafia idiot (Rahm Emanuel) shown in the picture with the POTUS? Is he a CEO now?

Well the linked story did not have any picture from Obama's meeting with CEOs. Why the author chose a photo of the President with Rahm Emmanuel is unknown, unless he was making some kind of political statement.
 
Evidently that went right over your head. Just like the majority of the country. :)

I think its your head it went over - I was expecting some financial figures, explanation on what US federal government spending is "charity" etc etc.
 
do we know how much tax Apple pays in the US vs its profits ?

seriously it's Obama's second term, hasn't he learned anything from the first term ? :rolleyes:
 
Some people are just ignorant. That lady in the video you posted is proof.

But I do understand that for every situation where programs like this can help a person, there's another person like that ignorant lady who just wants to take advantage of the system. We need to fix the system so it can still help people but it can't be taken advantage of....

Exactly. My argument is that there are many people taking advantage of the system, and it's only growing. I also think we have naive people that refuse to see it that way, and vote for people that "help those in need", when they're actually just helping the abusers.

I want real reform. Slash spending. Reduce entitlement programs. Make them harder to get. Entitlements shouldn't be desired. Giving people entitlements to live off of is not solving the problem. Teach people how to get back to work and support themselves, rather than depend on the government to live. Legalize marijuana. Do what you want with your life. Marry whoever you want. Keep the majority of your money and spend it how you want to. Put the problem solving back in the hands of those who are good at it - private sector organizations. If the country were healthy, the government would see no need to dole out tax payer money and fund bankrupt programs.

We need incredible reform, across the board. We're living an unsustainable model. And again, I will say the government isn't the answer. It is the cause. I can't stress enough how strongly I feel about this.
 
Can't blame the leaders for everything. Eg..

Consumer buys $500,000 house on $35,000 anual salary. Bank says, "Approved!" I say "YOU'RE STUPID!".

Customer doesn't have cash, instead swipes a $2,900 LED 60" TV. Bank says, "Approved!". I say, "YOU'RE STUPID!".

If you don't have the means to afford it, then don't buy it. If the bank approves you, all they care is that they got you locked in for x amount of years with interest on the interest on the interest...

Then the Banks are like 'oh, ****!' and ask the government to get bailed out because the consumer can't pay. But instead of putting all the money to pay off the debt, they spend it on private jets, yachts, parties, etc.

How to solve this problem? Handing out money from the government won't work. Consumers will just spend it and give a temporary boost to the economy.

Businesses need to be forced to pay taxes in the US if they sell products here. And the country needs to sit poor for years. Consumers shouldn't be allowed to add on debt. Instead, be forced to pay off loans/credits. Then after 3-5 years once the consumer debt is only in the millions, can we start trading again. And finally, stop the GOVERNMENT spending!

I agree. There are a lot of stupid consumers that should be responsible for their own debt.

I also think those bank "leaders" are stupid for choosing to allow such irresponsible lending in the first place. They should be responsible for their own corporate debt without asking the government to bail them out either. It's really hypocritical of them not to help average people recover from debt (and in fact encourage more debt), while simultaneously asking the government (our taxes) to help them out of their own debt.
That is the opposite of leadership.

Government needs to spend less, stop printing more money, and get rid of all pensions and benefits.
Government needs to discourage corporations from the predatory adding to and encouraging of our personal debt.
Maybe there should be laws capping CEO/Exec total salary/benefits/bonuses/options packages to X% of their lowest paid employees/Y% of their mid level employees (whichever is least in total). This amount should be public and transparent to everyone.
Politicians shouldn't be paid until they cut costs, balance the budgets, AND have a solid plan to reduce national debt significantly. No more raises, benefits, bribes, and loopholes.
Politicians pay is capped at $75,000/year and conditional on performance metrics that are transparent to everyone.
Corporate taxes need to go up and manufacturing needs to come back home. Helping china by investing in their country probably does nothing to pay-off our previous and existing debt to them. (Though I'm no professional economist.)
In the long run we need to be producing/selling more and buying less, so we can pay off our debt.
Corporations should be long-term customer satisfaction focused, not short-term investor profit focused. No more employee layoffs to increase investor profits or ceo/exec bonuses.
Average people taxes need to go down and salaries/wages need to go up to cover increased costs of living.
People need to spend less and learn to be happy with what they have.
And all the rich leaders in the nation (whether corporate or political) need to accept their own responsibility and actually pay their fair share of taxes as well as pay off part of the national debt that they created (without pulling it from our paychecks or taxes or using it as some lame pr move. It needs to come from their own personal wallets.)

We need to wake-up from our greedy little fantasies that charging more money, paying employees less, and buying more stuff will make us happier. We need to become more creative and productive and encourage and respect each person's contribution to the future, no matter how much or how little money and power they have.

We need to add human value back into our entire economy, not try to sacrifice human value to squeeze more money or things out of it for ourselves.

We need more wisdom, respect, fairness, equality, balance, and "sanity" put back into the whole system.

We should not be so greedy and selfish (This should start with those "Leaders"!)
 
get rid of all pensions

And then you'll get massive protests of all the old people. They don't exactly have anything better to do.

Maybe there should be laws capping CEO/Exec total salary/benefits/bonuses/options packages to X% of their lowest paid employees/Y% of their mid level employees (whichever is least in total).

This has already been tried under European communism, it doesn't really work.

Politicians shouldn't be paid until they cut costs, balance the budgets, AND have a solid plan to reduce national debt significantly. No more raises, benefits, bribes, and loopholes.

Politicians are shockingly underpaid as it is - perhaps like every other job there is a correlation between low pay and poor performance.

Politicians pay is capped at $75,000/year and conditional on performance metrics that are transparent to everyone.

So basically you're saying that the US president should be paid less than a software developer at Google.

Average people taxes need to go down and salaries/wages need to go up to cover increased costs of living.

So how are you going to balance the budget?
 
Well the linked story did not have any picture from Obama's meeting with CEOs. Why the author chose a photo of the President with Rahm Emmanuel is unknown, unless he was making some kind of political statement.

Yeah, the Reuters article shows a close-up of the president. I'm thinking the MR author just searched for images and used the first one he found.

It's remarkable how different the front-page audience is from the usual PRSI suspects.

Terrifying actually.
 
Sorry, ran out of attempts. You may answer the original question as you please.

They may have just lacked an appropriate image. This could just be a syndicated image.

Can't blame the leaders for everything. Eg..

Consumer buys $500,000 house on $35,000 anual salary. Bank says, "Approved!" I say "YOU'RE STUPID!".

Customer doesn't have cash, instead swipes a $2,900 LED 60" TV. Bank says, "Approved!". I say, "YOU'RE STUPID!".

If you don't have the means to afford it, then don't buy it. If the bank approves you, all they care is that they got you locked in for x amount of years with interest on the interest on the interest...

Then the Banks are like 'oh, ****!' and ask the government to get bailed out because the consumer can't pay. But instead of putting all the money to pay off the debt, they spend it on private jets, yachts, parties, etc.

You've brought up multiple problems, yet you ignore the important ones with your own hypothetical situations. Housing is a major issue. Whether you buy or rent, you will be affected by that market. If the lenders are allowed to take on too many high risk buyers, it bids things up for everyone else. If you just want to buy something modest either in cash or with a large amount down, you run into much higher market pricing driven there by people who can't actually afford it. Even without bailouts, this can be a huge problem. It affects what people who don't over spend can actually afford. That is a major problem regardless of bailouts and boom/bust cycles. It's too profitable to bet on high risk targets that can take out other markets when the business model eventually fails.
 
Politicians are shockingly underpaid as it is - perhaps like every other job there is a correlation between low pay and poor performance.

Politicians are elected officials that are supposed to serve the people in public office. They volunteer to do this, and it should be considered an honor, not a status that gives them financial reward. I also disagree that they are "shockingly underpaid".
 
Politicians are elected officials that are supposed to serve the people in public office.

That doesn't seem to be delivering quality results though.

Basically every single democratically elected leader in the world is an incompetent moron.

Singapore is pretty well run - but it also pays its leaders millions of dollars a year.
 
Obama: you know Tim, you didn't pay taxes last year.
Cook: yeah I know.
Obama: time to start making iPhones in the USA Tim.
 
Read: "Obama meets with Tim Cook and other CEOs to get advice on the critical state of this country, because Obama has no idea what he's doing."

Obama is such a joke. I still can't believe how ignorant our nation is as a whole to have elected him to a second term.

just lol
 
Agreed. Although...it would be nice if he would DO something after that.

He can only do so much when Congress is the branch of government that's actually in charge of enacting new laws and making changes to old ones.

And what is wrong with that? You need a phone to apply for jobs, and given every developing world peasant on $1/day has a mobile these days they are hardly expensive.

Nothing is wrong with it. I agree with you. You can't get a job if you don't have a phone number for them to call you for interviews and such. If we want people on welfare to eventually work themselves off of it, it's a necessity.

What I don't agree with is someone calling it an "Obamaphone". That's just some stupid political bs.
 
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