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President Obama Meets With Tim Cook and Other CEOs to Discuss Fiscal Crisis

ndpitch said:
I never said I supported Mitt. Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm a libertarian.

That said, Romney would have run the country more like a business instead of a humanitarian society, which is what needs to happen. This made him the better option. He wasn't the optimal candidate, but I think he understood that the government is too big, and doesn't do a good job at running things.

We're on the highway to Greece people. The government isn't the answer. They're the cause.
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Hopefully as a libertarian you're a Ron Paul supporter?

The problem with Mitt is that he said he wants a smaller government but at the same time wanted to increase military spending. The last time I checked the military was run by the government.

Another problem Mitt had was that although he decried government giveaways, he fully supported giving away American's money to foreign countries in the form of "foreign aid". You'd think if he was going to save money anywhere he'd stop giving billions to Pakistan...but no, let's cut PBS instead.

During the last 10 years we've spent over 3 trillion dollars on foreign wars. Out if all the military spending in the world, the US accounts for almost 50%. The #2 spender is China with a measly 9%. If I were you I'd worry less about going the way of Greece and more the way of the Roman Empire.

Personally I'd rather support someone like Ron Paul because he at least is consistent in his views and is a strong supporter of liberty.
 
iJohnHenry said:
Only the greedy know for sure, but they are never happy anyway. :rolleyes:
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Being greedy is unintelligent, so they don't know. You are correct that the truly greedy are never happy. However, that fact is irrelevant to any part of my post. ;)
 
I was very sad Ron Paul didn't get the Republican nomination.

I voted for him earlier this year :(

Even if people find him too radical, there are checks and balances and redtape in the government that won't let him get everything, or maybe anywhere near everything, he wants same as anybody else. But I like where his head is at, he seems a lot more level headed and "of the people" than himself, which is very difficult to balance in politics seemingly. He understands economics much more than Obama too, which I think at this point is paramount. I would love someone to even begin to debate that, and I'm sure they will. It'd be a good laugh... Simply taxing the rich is not going to fund the federal government very long and it will definitely not be any type of sustainable. I don't see how that primarily can be the fuel of the argument.
 
user418 said:
Surely you jest. Romney was far from an open book. The only time he was even close to an open book was behind closed doors with rich donors. Not only was he extremely vague and wishy washy on his politics he refused to release his full tax returns. Rather ironic and hypocritical that he required 10 years of returns from Paul Ryan. Mitt's own father released 10+ years and stated that anything less was a farce upon the American people.

And you find time to gripe about a college transcript. What rock have you been under for the past 16 months?
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Haha, true that. Mitt was a rich brat who was convinced that the Mormon god was going to grant him victory in politics just like it did everything else in life. Sorry Mitt, I guess you're finally on the losing end for once.
 
shiseiryu1 said:
Hopefully as a libertarian you're a Ron Paul supporter?

The problem with Mitt is that he said he wants a smaller government but at the same time wanted to increase military spending. The last time I checked the military was run by the government.

Another problem Mitt had was that although he decried government giveaways, he fully supported giving away American's money to foreign countries in the form of "foreign aid". You'd think if he was going to save money anywhere he'd stop giving billions to Pakistan...but no, let's cut PBS instead.

During the last 10 years we've spent over 3 trillion dollars on foreign wars. Out if all the military spending in the world, the US accounts for almost 50%. The #2 spender is China with a measly 9%. If I were you I'd worry less about going the way of Greece and more the way of the Roman Empire.

Personally I'd rather support someone like Ron Paul because he at least is consistent in his views and is a strong supporter of liberty.
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Since Ron Paul was not on most state ballots the majority of his supporters voted for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate. He got about 1% of the popular vote. What we need is a charismatic 3rd party candidate who is socially liberal and financially conservative. Anybody want to step up? ;)
 
Thomas Veil said:
Imagine you and your wife are traveling. She's driving and insists she knows the way. But in reality she missed the turnoff 150 miles back and you've gone way past your destination. You take over driving, and turn the car around back toward where you're supposed to be. And she's yelling at you because now the gas tank is getting low and there are no gas stations around. Whose fault is this situation? And what else are you supposed to do?
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Sounds like the plot to Dumb and Dumber to me! :D
 
ndpitch said:
And again we have someone that thinks someone who doesn't like Obama is automatically a republican. Bush was an idiot. Obama is a bigger one.

I'm not a republican. I'm a very fiscally conservative libertarian who thinks the government as a whole is out of control.
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Obama is probably the most intelligent President we've had in several decades.

I think what the country needs is someone as smooth as Obama but with the libertarian views of Ron Paul. Maybe one day the right candidate will arise.

My hope is that people will stop idolizing Regan and start professing to be, "Ron Paul Republicans". :)
 
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MacDav said:
Since Ron Paul was not on most state ballots the majority of his supporters voted for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate. He got about 1% of the popular vote. What we need is a charismatic 3rd party candidate who is socially liberal and financially conservative. Anybody want to step up? ;)
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I totally agree. Although I was always surprised when Ron Paul got booed at debates; you'd think people concerned about "big govt" would be in favor of liberty. Instead they paint liberty as some sort of extremism. It's pretty sad sometimes. Like Ron Paul said, popular speech doesn't need protection...it's the controversial speech/ideas that do in a free society.
 
jayducharme said:
Ah, you must be one of the 1% who would benefit from a Romney administration.

I'm glad Obama is willing to reach out and learn from others. A great leader can't operate in a vacuum.
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hmm, good point. Just for the sake of being through though, could you provide a list of Obama's economic achievements vs Romney's? Also, how about a list of Obama's campaign promises that he made to middle class americans that he actually made good on during his first term?

Thanks


Edit: Oh, and if a great leader cant operate in a vacuum, then why hasn't met with these 'Jobs Council' CEO's in 11 months until now?
 
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HMI said:
Sounds like the plot to Dumb and Dumber to me! :D
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No, it's the plot for the future of America. Yes, around 2014 the country will end up in a ditch, but party on Garth, we still have about a year and a half of fun till we go bankrupt :cool:
 
shiseiryu1 said:
Hopefully as a libertarian you're a Ron Paul supporter?
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Abso-freaking-lutely. When I said Romney was the better candidate, I meant the better of the two who had any chance of winning. I "threw my vote away" with a write in for Ron Paul. Unfortunately he's retiring from congress. Like others said, we need a young, charismatic, "Ron Paul republican" (libertarian) who can capture the nation with fiscally conservative and socially liberal views.

Until then...

"As long as you want to run the world empire at a trillion dollars a year, believe me, you cannot solve this problem.”

-Ron Paul
 
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HMI said:
That Fortune 100 CEO's paycheck isn't coming out of my wallet.
If it did, I certainly wouldn't be paying him based on title written on his office door.

Apples and oranges, baby! ;)
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Do you think any CEO could legitimately bill themselves out to anyone for thousands of dollars an hour? Are they really providing that much "value" to the corporation? I would argue No. The reason their high salary is possible (in the vast majority of cases) is because they're taking money from the regular employees (ie: "value creators"). The main workers get shafted to support ridiculous salaries for a top few.

I get tired of hearing about "job creators"...the people I'm concerned about are "value creators". Unless we focus on that we're just recreating a feudal system with a few "noble lords" with all the wealth and power while the serfs do all the hard work and create the value that makes everything possible.

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ndpitch said:
Abso-freaking-lutely. When I said Romney was the better candidate, I meant the better of the two who had any chance of winning. I "threw my vote away" with a write in for Ron Paul. Unfortunately he's retiring form the congress. Like others said, we need a young, charismatic, "Ron Paul republican" (libertarian) who can capture the nation with fiscally conservative and socially liberal views.

Until then...

"As long as you want to run the world empire at a trillion dollars a year, believe me, you cannot solve this problem.”

-Ron Paul.
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Preach on! Ron Paul's ideas are the only ones that won't eventually bankrupt our country.
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
Yes, someone who turned around a state economy, the winter olympics, and numerous companies is surely clueless about the economy. We'd be much better off with a career politician who has absolutely no leadership experience, never mind any economic experience.

Mitt will still be the best thing that could happen to the US in 2016, but I'm afraid that he probably won't be running again.
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As Governor Romney (like all Governors) used federal funds in MA. As head of the Winter Olympics Romney used millions in taxpayer funds so the show could stay under budget. Bain Capital shipped jobs overseas for profit. Romney exploited various tax loop holes to continue to grow his fortune. As these the only reasons for his success? No, but they certainly contributed to it and none of them are applicable to how sitting President could turn the country around. You can't game the system once you become the system.
 
kd5jos said:
You're correct about banks not taking the risk without bailouts. So this is why the option of bailouts shouldn't have existed. People that shouldn't have been buying quarter of a million dollar homes on 10.50 an hour wouldn't have been able to do it. Then no bail out would have been necessary.

Affordable housing would have had to have been built to get people into a home. People would have had to engage their brains and problem solve, instead of taking the lazy way out. People living within their means, would have bought a house they can afford instead.

This demonstrated how to cause failure in the system by NOT letting the "invisible hand" do its job. Maybe YOU should learn some economics?
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Not understanding your point. Without government meddling in bank and agency guarantees, those NINJA loans would never have existed and the guy making $10.50 would still be renting. Not everyone should own a home.
 
Dmunjal said:
The invisible hand would have bankrupted every bank and overextended home owner. The government bailed out both parties. In fact, without those implicit guarantees, those very same banks wouldn't have taken said risks. Hardly the invisible hand at work. Learn some economics before making a comment like that.
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The problem is ignorance. Most people have no idea what free markets are. They think that crony-capitalism ( over-tax, over-spend, over-regulate, bail-out) is the way to go. It's the way we've been going for far too long. I'm afraid it will all end soon enough though. National bankruptcy might be a good thing in the long run.
 
B777Forevar said:
Til the very end. I have also donated to his campaign.

Robot Ron Paul 2020!
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Yay!!! Don't let reality get in your way. Libertarians got 1% of the popular vote.
I like Rand Paul better. At least he has some grasp of Reality. He realizes to a degree that "my way or the highway" (zero compromise) will never win any elections. I agree with many Libertarian positions, but some positions are just plain nutty. Of course you don't get a large cult following by being middle of the road. ;)
 
aristotle said:
Please consult the rest of the world before speaking on their behalf.

Signed:The silent majority.

Seriously, as an outsider, I don't see a significant difference between the democrats and the republicans but I don't think Obama is doing a good job.
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I think it is you who needs to consult Google before making statements, the world clearly favored(s) Obama, in your country 72%.

Google search-Support for obama in the rest of the world
 
ndpitch said:
I'm not a republican. I'm a very fiscally conservative libertarian who thinks the government as a whole is out of control.
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I'm a very fiscally conservative libertarian who thinks the government as a whole is out of control.

...Who's too embarrassed to admit he votes for Republican candidates.
 
There may have been "some" educated voters who voted for Obama...but this is your typical Obama supporter...they just want that free money!

Can't wait to see how ****** our country gets in another 4 years! How much more debt can we rack up?

http://youtu.be/DL-a-r7iJIU
 
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