Pretty much confirmed: Pixar to switch

[JFreak]

Still a tad confused. Pixar obviously knew all about the G5 when they decided their render farm was going to be intel blades. And as far as I can tell, they are still goling that way for rendering. Sort of implying that while they may choose G5's for workstations, when flat out constant speed is needed, intel is still the way to go.

pixar knew about the cutting-edge G5 before we did, that's for sure, but pixar is a kind of company that cannot be the first to adopt such tech. now they know enough about it and have had time to play with it, so if they indeed have recognized its capabilities and have begun porting their SOFTWARE to the osx platform, they will have it ready and tweaked by the time they buy new HARDWARE next time.

last time they weren't ready for the osx switch, next time they will be if they want to. only time will tell what they are really doing...

 

[JFreak]

it is probably quite a bit cheaper buying 2000 Xeons or whatnot than G5s

hardware purchase is peanuts for this kind of company. it is the software that decides what will be required to run it. last time the software wasn't ready for G5 hardware, so it was impossible to consider apple at all.

(and even if they had it "ready", it wasn't properly tested and optimized, which is really just as important.)

 

[Mr. Anderson]

so why the necromancy? there's nothing new here and no new news....

D

 

[Potus]

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Other than the news that IBM is selling its hardware co.

 

[davegoody]

Check out the incredible's site

Does anyone know what the Renderman logo looks like? I've seen an icon that I think was Renderman in a screenshot somewhere, sitting in the dock. I just don't want to embarrass myself by describing the icon to a completely different app!

Edit: I just looked at Renderman on Pixar's site, and I've definitely seen that logo sitting in a dock. It was yellow, and I think it was slightly 3D.

Another Edit: I just looked at the screenshot linked above (didn't see if before) and I don't see a yellow Renderman there. Maybe I'm just imagining I ever saw one

What I find sad is that if you look on the "incredibles" website to download wallpapers for your computer, the options are all for PCs - i.e. the resolutions are not for the nice widescreen macs !

 

[TranceClubMusic]

The Incredibles Movie

I was sooooo excited about the whole "MAC OS X" Switch, Steve Jobs owns Apple and Pixar, the "Renderman" Program, etc....
I also just got a New 2.5 G5 (switched from the PC World) and all my family and friends are in shock over the change.
Of course, I did ALL this bragging about Apple, Pixar, MAC OS X, etc...
Only to have them all go to see The Incredibles at the movies (of course I told them - stay through ALL the credits)....Now? I have HUGE Egg on my face. Laughing Stock of the Neighborhood and everyone tells me (had to also see it for myslef) the HUGE INTEL LOGO at the end of the credits!
So much for bragging rights
Now all I hear is.......So how does Steve Jobs like using PeeCees with Intel Processors?

PS - Is it me or is Apple more full of hype then anything else.

PSS - 20th Anniversary was the WORST I have ever experienced.

 

[asif786]

Now? I have HUGE Egg on my face. Laughing Stock of the Neighborhood and everyone tells me (had to also see it for myslef) the HUGE INTEL LOGO at the end of the credits!
So much for bragging rights
Now all I hear is.......So how does Steve Jobs like using PeeCees with Intel Processors?

PS - Is it me or is Apple more full of hype then anything else.

PSS - 20th Anniversary was the WORST I have ever experienced.

Lol, that is bad. Dont forget, this is a rumour site..

/asif

 

[Blue Velvet]

I like him a lot, and he's done some great movies...


Showgirls.

?!

 

[asif786]

?!

Sometimes it's better just not to ask...

/asif

 

[Dr. No]

So Pixar never switched????

 

[angelneo]

I was sooooo excited about the whole "MAC OS X" Switch, Steve Jobs owns Apple and Pixar, the "Renderman" Program, etc....
I also just got a New 2.5 G5 (switched from the PC World) and all my family and friends are in shock over the change.
Of course, I did ALL this bragging about Apple, Pixar, MAC OS X, etc...
Only to have them all go to see The Incredibles at the movies (of course I told them - stay through ALL the credits)....Now? I have HUGE Egg on my face. Laughing Stock of the Neighborhood and everyone tells me (had to also see it for myslef) the HUGE INTEL LOGO at the end of the credits!
So much for bragging rights
Now all I hear is.......So how does Steve Jobs like using PeeCees with Intel Processors?

PS - Is it me or is Apple more full of hype then anything else.

PSS - 20th Anniversary was the WORST I have ever experienced.

It takes time for them to switch, they are probably halfway through the production of the The Incredibles when they reach a decision of porting over to G5 last year.

 

[Mac Kiwi]

I was sooooo excited about the whole "MAC OS X" Switch, Steve Jobs owns Apple and Pixar, the "Renderman" Program, etc....
I also just got a New 2.5 G5 (switched from the PC World) and all my family and friends are in shock over the change.
Of course, I did ALL this bragging about Apple, Pixar, MAC OS X, etc...
Only to have them all go to see The Incredibles at the movies (of course I told them - stay through ALL the credits)....Now? I have HUGE Egg on my face. Laughing Stock of the Neighborhood and everyone tells me (had to also see it for myslef) the HUGE INTEL LOGO at the end of the credits!
So much for bragging rights
Now all I hear is.......So how does Steve Jobs like using PeeCees with Intel Processors?

PS - Is it me or is Apple more full of hype then anything else.

PSS - 20th Anniversary was the WORST I have ever experienced.

Actually you were half right,they do use G5s as workstations for modeling,and the PC users dont like the slower Open GL we have.


Feel better now?

 

[asif786]

It takes time for them to switch, they are probably halfway through the production of the The Incredibles when they reach a decision of porting over to G5 last year.

Exactly. I think I recall steve saying each Pixar film takes 4 years to make - they wouldnt interrupt that schedule just to switch computers. Perhaps 'Cars' will have an Apple logo at the end

/asif

 

[Mac Kiwi]

The render Farm is Intel,so that will be why the big Intel logo,but to change the render farm over would cost mega bucks,even for Pixar.

 

[TranceClubMusic]

Exactly. I think I recall steve saying each Pixar film takes 4 years to make - they wouldnt interrupt that schedule just to switch computers. Perhaps 'Cars' will have an Apple logo at the end

/asif

Ummmmm, 4 years ago - didnt Apple have PowerMac G4's? Tells me ALOT about Apple when Steve Jobs doesnt and hasnt even been using HIS VERY OWN PRODUCTS!!!! The ones that are soooooooo much better than the "dark side"?? Goes to show that if a huge movie production company never felt comfortable using Apple products.......what makes "comsumers" believe the switch is sooooo important?
To think, so many people on this forum (still to this day) compare the G4 processor (still in Powerbooks I might add) to Intel!! Yet the very person who owns Apple would never use it in his OWN company pixar??
Very interesting to me.......sounds like lies and hype.

 

[TranceClubMusic]

The render Farm is Intel,so that will be why the big Intel logo,but to change the render farm over would cost mega bucks,even for Pixar.

Why would the render farm even of had STARTED with PeeCee's when the owner had the ALMIGHTY G4??

 

[TranceClubMusic]

Actually you were half right,they do use G5s as workstations for modeling,and the PC users dont like the slower Open GL we have.


Feel better now?

Sorry dont feel better now - just goes to show how Steve Jobs lies. Hey Steve Jobs.....Products are sooooooo great - why dont you use them!

 

[asif786]

Why would the render farm even of had STARTED with PeeCee's when the owner had the ALMIGHTY G4??

Pixar is a business. The fact that steve runs pixar and apple makes no difference - it doesn't mean they are going to replace their renderfarm when thy dont even need it.

You seem to think that Steve can walk in one day and say 'Let's use Apple products, cos I run the company'. It doesn't happen like that. It takes research. Steve never said G4's were supercomputer quality. But G5's are, and thats why Pixars switching.

To be honest, the tone and attitude of your posts haven't impressed me. I look forward to your insight when your running a multi-billion dollar animation studio.

 

[TranceClubMusic]

Pixar is a business

WOW! Correct you are! Notice the word "Business" and notice the use of Intel in "Business" not Apple Products

The fact that steve runs pixar and apple makes no difference

Thats a shocking thing to say! The Owner of Apple makes NO difference that he owns Pixar? Thats like Bill Gates using an Apple G5 on his Desk at home. I mean based on that thinking it makes no difference that he owns Microsoft but instead uses the competitions products at home! Come on, think about it....Steve Jobs every single year in January touts his products and compares them to Intel!!

It doesn't mean they are going to replace their renderfarm when thy dont even need it.

Another wonderful statement. Yes why replace it! I mean they dont need it they already have the best.


You seem to think that Steve can walk in one day and say 'Let's use Apple products, cos I run the company'. It doesn't happen like that.

Yes it does and Yes it can!

It takes research. Steve never said G4's were supercomputer quality.

LMFAO - Go back about 4 years and listen to some Keynotes. G4's back then (and still are in many ways) Super Computer Quality. If you made that statement 4 years ago on the Forum you would be eaten alive!!!


But G5's are, and thats why Pixars switching.

I hope so - really waiting for that transition. I really wanna see Apple Products in more Business.

To be honest, the tone and attitude of your posts haven't impressed me. I look forward to your insight when your running a multi-billion dollar animation studio.

Ditto!!

 

[asif786]

Pixar is a business

WOW! Correct you are! Notice the word "Business" and notice the use of Intel in "Business" not Apple Products

The fact that steve runs pixar and apple makes no difference

Thats a shocking thing to say! The Owner of Apple makes NO difference that he owns Pixar? Thats like Bill Gates using an Apple G5 on his Desk at home. I mean based on that thinking it makes no difference that he owns Microsoft but instead uses the competitions products at home! Come on, think about it....Steve Jobs every single year in January touts his products and compares them to Intel!!

It doesn't mean they are going to replace their renderfarm when thy dont even need it.

Another wonderful statement. Yes why replace it! I mean they dont need it they already have the best.


You seem to think that Steve can walk in one day and say 'Let's use Apple products, cos I run the company'. It doesn't happen like that.

Yes it does and Yes it can!

It takes research. Steve never said G4's were supercomputer quality.

LMFAO - Go back about 4 years and listen to some Keynotes. G4's back then (and still are in many ways) Super Computer Quality. If you made that statement 4 years ago on the Forum you would be eaten alive!!!


But G5's are, and thats why Pixars switching.

I hope so - really waiting for that transition. I really wanna see Apple Products in more Business.

To be honest, the tone and attitude of your posts haven't impressed me. I look forward to your insight when your running a multi-billion dollar animation studio.

Ditto!!

Oh dear, I think you need to relx and have a cup of coffee. Perhaps even take a chill pill.

You can let me know by PM when you're feeling better

Lord knows why this oooold thread was dragged up anyway.

 

[TranceClubMusic]

Oh dear, I think you need to relx and have a cup of coffee. Perhaps even take a chill pill.

You can let me know by PM when you're feeling better

Lord knows why this oooold thread was dragged up anyway.

I still loves ya man!

 

[misfit68]

The other studio...

The other studio showing Starship troopers was most likely Tippett Studios out of Berkeley, Ca.

The movie is available on DVD.

I was browsing www.cgtalk.com today, reading up on Siggraph 2003 and came across this snippet aparently taken from Maccentral, though I cannot find where exactly:

I'll give you guys the **BIG NEWS** that was announced yesterday at Apple's Shake Users' Event in San Diego.

First, Pixar announced that they're bringing prMan over to OS X and will have a beta sometime in August or September.

Second, Pixar announced that they'll be migrating over to... guess what... the Mac!

They based their decision on issues such as performance, code portability, X11 integration, development culture, vender dedication to the fim industry, app availability, audio/video friendlyness and capabilities.

In 1980 Pixar made its first short on a Vax running VMS. Then in the mid '80s they migrated over to Sun workstations running Solaris. In the late '80s - '90s they were running entirely SGI Irix workstations, and in 2000 they moved over to Intels running Linux. An NT migration would've meant exiting the Unix market. But apparantly they were also having issues with Linux such as universal cut & paste, issues synching sound with picture, I think he said color management and other problems. He (a Pixar VP) said that while none of the issues were show stoppers or significant on their own, and they could all be dealt with or worked around, taken as a whole they presented real problems for the company.

Moving to OS X let's them essentially recompile the core functionality of their entire code base without even bothering with higher level UI development. Once they're settled in, then they could port the UI from X to Aqua.

During his slide show, the Pixar VP of something was about to present a list of why they'll be switiching to the Mac. But RIGHT at that time Keynote crashed out, drawing sarcastic applause from the audience. The timing just couldn't be worse. I think it may have been some kind of data corruption in one of the elements in the frame that crashed Keynote if you went BACK to the page from the next page. So from then on the presenters made sure not to go BACK to that particular frame.

Then a Hollywood-based motion design studio called Yu+Co showed their reel and the type of work they do on Shake. Their projects included The Hulk, Italian Job, X-Men2, and many others.

Then another company whose name I don't remember showed some shots of the sequel to Starship Troopers. This particular demonstration of Shake's expansion capabilities was quite impressive. They exported footage from Maya maintaining all the "DOD" data (if anyone knows what this is, let me know... a buncha visual fx artists from work had no idea today) when they used in Shake to create 3D ambient & spot lights. The guy, who had previously used Shake only on a dual AMD box, created a light which he could position anywhere in the scene, including in front, behind, or within the insect. The light behaved just as it would in a 3D environment! He had control over its color temperature, spread, intensity, diffussness, etc... it was quite impressive. He even made a little comment "I've only used this on my dual AMD, this is the first time I've used Shake on a Mac and it's quick [as he's moving the light around the insect]. Yes, my box doesn't do it nearly this fast."

Plus a nice RenderMan OSX screenshot:

All sounding pretty sweet if you ask me!