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Is Apple trying to kill the 13" rMBP here? Sales are not stellar, as the average user (the typical moron) usually prefers the slimmer frame and the lower price of the 13" MBA, and hardly notices the retina display.

Kind of funny and sad at the same time. The rMBP with Iris Pro, a quad core Haswell, and 16GB of RAM would be the perfect computer. I hope that's what we are going to get in two to three months. Retina is not eye candy to me.
 
Time for Apple to offer backward compatibility to move into the future.

Offering backward compatibility and moving into the future are contradictory.

For example, when Apple made the move to Intel chips, OS X contained code for both PowerPC and Intel chips. Then in OS X Lion, Apple removed support for PowerPC, which removed about HALF of the operating system size. This was a major improvement. Code was faster as it didn't have to go down different paths for each processor.

Microsoft can never have as tight code as Apple if they are offering so much backwards compatibility. There are trade-offs to everything, and I prefer Apple's thought process.
 
Unify Line

I don't understand why they still have MBP and MBAs since they have basically taken the "pro" specs out of the MBP and have basically turned it into a MBA. The only difference between the two lines seems to be Retina and the MBA has a "slope" design and may be a centimeter "thinner."
 
I don't understand why they still have MBP and MBAs since they have basically taken the "pro" specs out of the MBP and have basically turned it into a MBA. The only difference between the two lines seems to be Retina and the MBA has a "slope" design and may be a centimeter "thinner."

They are two different products. I don't need a MBA, I can't live without my MBP
 
I've got half a dozen machines I would love to upgrade to MacBook Pro but I do not want the Retina version. I need and want the old I/O ports. The higher resolution screen has no appeal. The battery life, that's nice.

Like many small businesses and educators I also need Classic and PPC support. If Apple brings those back they'll find a lot of people upgrading older machines to the latest MacBook Pros. There is a lot of older hardware that needs connecting with our machines and a tremendous amount of older software that needs Classic/PPC.

A truly superb machine and MacOS would fully support running all iOS apps on the Mac, including iBooks, and support running all MacOS applications and data under iOS. I need to use my tools and data no matter what hardware I'm using. Even a lowly iPodTouch (love them, have six) has enough power to emulate the older Macs and Classic.

Time for Apple to offer backward compatibility to move into the future.

Why do you want to get new computers if all you will run on them is 10-20 year old software?
 
Any hints/rumors if the MBA would possibly include mobile internet support .. so build in 3G/4G chipsets? .. that would be an instant buy for me.

T.
 
Hope the Macbook Air gets a higher resolution screen size. I'm not talking about Retina. But hopefully a 1080p screen at least..
 
Any hints/rumors if the MBA would possibly include mobile internet support .. so build in 3G/4G chipsets? .. that would be an instant buy for me.

T.

Definitely!

It would be an instant buy for me if the laptop could get 3G/4G wireless signals like my iPad. It's the main reason I use my iPad on the road, I can surf the web where-ever I am, and for only a $10 fee to my family share plan. It's far more expensive for typical laptop cellular plans.
 
Don't forget further. Thanks to 'beamforming', 802.11.ac does a better job of reaching further, even through walls.

i assume wifi ac will only work if the router transmits 802.11.ac? prob be a while before everything gets upgraded
 
I do think Apple would kill off the 15" cMBP while keep making 13" cMBP for students, Apple can't miss the education market.

After I get used to 1080p phones I also have to agree that I can't stand for non-Retina displays anymore.
 
theres a minidp to HDMI connector.

yes a connector ... exactly. the thing you never have with you when you actually need it ... :rolleyes: glad my rmbp has hdmi built in now even though i havent used it yet lol but its good to have the option if necessary

The MacBook Air was a fine machine two years ago. Now, it's just one of the several ultrabooks available in the market. It's not even the top-end one. Now, look at the ultrabooks unveiled at Computex this week. Very thin and light laptops, with premium materials, and IPS touch screens with resolutions up to 2560x1440. They're MacBook Air killers. But I'm afraid Apple will keep the old design. I'm not buying one of these. I want a top-notch laptop, and the MacBook Air is not the cream of the crop.

the macbook air isnt supposed to be a top-notched laptop tho ... its what the white MacBook used to be. the starter model to get people hooked on mac for a "cheaper" price doing basic things while surfing the newyork times page at starbucks
 
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Any hints/rumors if the MBA would possibly include mobile internet support .. so build in 3G/4G chipsets? .. that would be an instant buy for me.

T.

But in that case people wouldn't add an iPhone to their purchase...

An ultraportable without 3G/LTE support is questionable design. Sucks the power out of your iPhone faster than anything else.
 
yes a connector ... exactly. the thing you never have with you when you actually need it ... :rolleyes: glad my rmbp has hdmi built in now even though i havent used it yet lol but its good to have the option if necessary



the macbook air isnt supposed to be a top-notched laptop tho ... its what the white MacBook used to be. the starter model to get people hooked on mac for a "cheaper" price doing basic things while surfing the newyork times page at starbucks

But the original MBA was meant to be an ultra portable. It was thin and light and you had to pay a lot of money for it. Since then it had been demoted to being the entry model
 
If true, nice little updates.

Keep driving forward.

P.S. Inevitably people will not be happy, but incremental improvement is very important. Retina on an Air is probably a year or two away at the earliest. Haswell is a large jump.

Retina on the Air will probably never happen.

The whole idea of the Air is that it used different components to optimise for size and weight - so no DVD drive, SSD storage, integrated graphics. Against the old MBPs, that made a huge difference.

If you add a Retina display to the MBA, you've just exactly described the 13" MacBook Pro with Retina Display.

13" MBA:

Height: 0.11-0.68 inch (0.3-1.7 cm)
Width: 12.8 inches (32.5 cm)
Depth: 8.94 inches (22.7 cm)
Weight: 2.96 pounds (1.35 kg)

13" rMBP (difference to MBA):

Height: 0.75 inch (1.9 cm) +10%
Width: 12.35 inches (31.4 cm) -3%
Depth: 8.62 inches (21.9 cm) -3%
Weight: 3.57 pounds (1.62 kg) +20%

The MBP doesn't taper like the MBA does, likely to include a larger battery. It's also got another 300g in weight, again likely due to the larger battery or increased backlighting or whatever.

The point is that the entire reason for the MBA existing is that it's more portable than the MBP. As we can see, it's not really that much more portable that it warrants another line. With a couple of hardware revisions the difference is going to reduce even further.

So the only remaining reason the MBA has to keep existing is its lower cost. If it were to include a Retina display, it would likely have to bulk up a little and the price would increase. It would just be exactly the same as the 13" rMBP.
 
i need an MBA. the last one a purchased was a lemon.. vertical lines of the screen that would not go away... got my $ back and I've been waiting with money to burn....
 
However, when the power of the chips and displays goes down, retina may happen on the 11inch model and 13MBA/13rMBP would be merged into a single model



Retina on the Air will probably never happen.

The whole idea of the Air is that it used different components to optimise for size and weight - so no DVD drive, SSD storage, integrated graphics. Against the old MBPs, that made a huge difference.

If you add a Retina display to the MBA, you've just exactly described the 13" MacBook Pro with Retina Display.

13" MBA:

Height: 0.11-0.68 inch (0.3-1.7 cm)
Width: 12.8 inches (32.5 cm)
Depth: 8.94 inches (22.7 cm)
Weight: 2.96 pounds (1.35 kg)

13" rMBP (difference to MBA):

Height: 0.75 inch (1.9 cm) +10%
Width: 12.35 inches (31.4 cm) -3%
Depth: 8.62 inches (21.9 cm) -3%
Weight: 3.57 pounds (1.62 kg) +20%

The MBP doesn't taper like the MBA does, likely to include a larger battery. It's also got another 300g in weight, again likely due to the larger battery or increased backlighting or whatever.

The point is that the entire reason for the MBA existing is that it's more portable than the MBP. As we can see, it's not really that much more portable that it warrants another line. With a couple of hardware revisions the difference is going to reduce even further.

So the only remaining reason the MBA has to keep existing is its lower cost. If it were to include a Retina display, it would likely have to bulk up a little and the price would increase. It would just be exactly the same as the 13" rMBP.


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I want to order the 15rMBP once the back to school promotion starts
I want to use it to write my phd thesis
Please do not delay until August, my thesis would be finished by then
 
It mentions that the rmbp will be shipping 'later' than the Mac book air. How much later will that be? Before September maybe? I'm so eager to get the refreshed rmbp!
 
Haswell provides a much better standby time, but not full-power-working time

If the new models come with IGZO display, battery life can be much longer'

Well, the standard Ivy Bridge processor provides plenty of horsepower for my needs. And the amount of memory (8 GB) and of storage (256 GB on the higher-end model) are alright too. I don't need a 3 GHz i7, nor 768 GB SSD.

However, I have two main concerns about the Ivy Bridge version compared to the Haswell one:

(1) Battery life. I want a laptop with the longest battery life possible. I like to use the laptop with the screen on 100% brightness, and I would like the battery to keep it running for hours. I haven't managed to do it with any laptop. But Haswell may tell a different story here.

(2) Graphics performance. I don't play any games on my laptop, but I don't want it to lag at all. I've read some complaints about lagging with the 13" rMBP and the HD4000 video card. My 3rd gen iPad has a beautiful retina display, but a lot of lag too. Ditto for my iPhone 4S. I don't want the experience to repeat. I want the laptop to feel fast.

One more thing: I'm not only talking about battery life and graphics performance under OS X. I'm talking about battery life and graphics performance under both OS X and Windows. I intend to run Windows on BootCamp (or Parallels) extensively, and perhaps 50% or even more of the time. So, I want a laptop that performs very well under Windows too.

That's the reason why I was waiting for Haswell: long battery life and no lag at all. I don't care about sheer CPU performance, nor storage. Can the Ivy Bridge version provide me with that?
 
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