Pricing of regular 15" MBP vs. Retina

[dlsife]

15" MBP = $1799. Best Buy has the 15" rMBP for $2089.

So, for $290 you get (a) retina display, (b) SSD and (c) an extra 4 MB of RAM.

Hard to see how the regular 2012 15" makes sense if you look at it that way. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

[Comeagain?]

User serviceable parts are a big part of wanting a standard computer.

 

[iLikeTurtles!]

well, its more money.

completly new computer vs a a reliable long term design.

not saying the retina isnt reliable, but i mean its like buying cars, the 2010 model is prob better than a 2006 toyota. any bugs, etc would be worked out and fine tuned throughout the eyears

 

[WardC]

I can't understand getting the regular 15" MacBook Pro at this point unless they were priced under $1000.

 

[ryane67]

I can't understand getting the regular 15" MacBook Pro at this point unless they were priced under $1000.

I would, if they would put the 1gb GPU in the lower end model, that not being the case however, poo on that idea.

 

[definitive]

depends on if you want to get a $2k computer to browse the web at starbucks on a high res screen (this is how i see the retina mbp), or if you want a powerful computer on which you can do work...

anyway, here's what i've went with:

base classic model + 256gig ssd + 16gigs of ram for ~$2100 and then another $250 for applecare. shopping around can usually net you a much better deal than going directly to apple.

 

[sweetbrat]

This has been pointed out in a few other threads. There are pros and cons for each model. No computer is right for everyone, and at this point, there's most definitely a market for both models.

 

[Greg M]

15" MBP = $1799. Best Buy has the 15" rMBP for $2089.

So, for $290 you get (a) retina display, (b) SSD and (c) an extra 4 MB of RAM.

Hard to see how the regular 2012 15" makes sense if you look at it that way. Maybe I'm missing something.

Actually you can easily upgrade the MBP yourself to a 256gb SSD and 16gb of ram and still be slightly cheaper then the retina. You also have the option of replacing the DVD drive with a second hard drive. For things like video editing that would be very beneficial. Plus, what if you have to use programs that will never be optimized for the retina display? I can't see using Office all day long on the retina.

On the other hand, the retina screen with it's reduced glare and the flexibility of using different resolutions is well worth the cost difference if you don't need those other things. Plus the screen is so beautiful that it makes it a joy to use.

So yes, both options make sense for different people and for different uses.

 

[zerotiu]

15" MBP = $1799. Best Buy has the 15" rMBP for $2089.

So, for $290 you get (a) retina display, (b) SSD and (c) an extra 4 MB of RAM.

Hard to see how the regular 2012 15" makes sense if you look at it that way. Maybe I'm missing something.

port and upgradeability and price

 

[pepatrick]

I almost got the MBPr..ordered it and cancelled it after about 2 weeks. Decided to go with the 2.7 cMBP for the upgrade reason. Standard SSDs will go down significantly over the next year..I will add a 2nd ssd in the opti bay and not have to buy proprietary stuff from OWC and Apple. Its plugged into a 27" thunderbolt display so pretty tough to beat that....especially editing photos.

 

[VFC]

I decided on a price point of $2200. I made a pro/con chart for both models (8 +/- items for each model). For my needs and priorities, the cMBP edged out the retina.

The final decision point (#9) in favor of the classic was how I would feel when they released the next major update in 2013. I tend not to sell my products when something new comes out. Having said that, I would have been far more disappointed owning the 2012 retina when they release the 2013 model with a more capable video card.

 

[Reimer]

One of the biggest things for me is that unless you're willing to spend at least another $600, you're stuck with a 256GB drive without the use of externals in the rMBP.

With the regular MBP, you have the option of swapping out the optical drive and have both the capacity of a spindle drive plus the speed of an SSD.

 

[Greg M]

One of the biggest things for me is that unless you're willing to spend at least another $600, you're stuck with a 256GB drive without the use of externals in the rMBP.

With the regular MBP, you have the option of swapping out the optical drive and have both the capacity of a spindle drive plus the speed of an SSD.

Actually you will be able to purchase a larger SSD for it down the road which will be less than the $600. SSD prices are dropping like a rock. Sure these will cost more than 2.5 SSD's but Apple is going to be switching to SSD's more and more and it looks like it'll be this form so that will help to bring down prices.

 

[Drag'nGT]

I'm looking at the high end standard 15" MBP instead of the rMBP. I really like the upgradeability of the standard model, plus it's more powerful for the same price. But that being said, I really want the rMBP.

 

[InlawBiker]

Hard to see how the regular 2012 15" makes sense if you look at it that way. Maybe I'm missing something.

I agree 100%. Both are too expensive, but if you're spending that much you may as well get the Retina.

 

[Aodhan]

I went with the MBP over the MBPR because I wanted upgradeability and repairability, and because I just had a sinking feeling that a 650M with 1GB of ram wouldn't be enough for a good gaming experience with a 2880x1800 display.

Also, I am cautious with Rev A products from Apple. Now, the MBPR is a gorgeous piece of hardware, and there are a lot of people deliriously happy with theirs. But Apple's continued obsession with thin has led to a notebook that is simply too compact to allow upgrades or repairs. For me, the MBP seems quite thin as it is, and it at least allows me to open it up and get my groove on. I can, and will eventually, add an SSD.

So it's really a compromise. I pass on the retina and the new thin hotness, but I get other things that are important to me. There's room for both the MBP and the MBPR in the market.

 

[dlsife]

All very good thoughts. Thanks for the responses. I continue to be torn.

 

[Greg M]

All very good thoughts. Thanks for the responses. I continue to be torn.

Have you looked at the retina yet?

 

[awer25]

Actually you can easily upgrade the MBP yourself to a 256gb SSD and 16gb of ram and still be slightly cheaper then the retina. You also have the option of replacing the DVD drive with a second hard drive. For things like video editing that would be very beneficial. Plus, what if you have to use programs that will never be optimized for the retina display? I can't see using Office all day long on the retina.

This is why I'm going with a regular MBP. 256GB SSD and 1TB HDD.

 

[dlsife]

Have you looked at the retina yet?

Yes, and it's very, very nice. And I have no need for the ODD. Hence my original post trying to justify it financially

 

[Greg M]

Yes, and it's very, very nice. And I have no need for the ODD. Hence my original post trying to justify it financially

There really isn't much cost difference, if any, between the two. Add an SSD and ram (aftermarket of coarse) to the MBP and it's almost the same price. Then it's basically do you want the ODD or the retina display?

 

[dlsife]

There really isn't much cost difference, if any, between the two. Add an SSD and ram (aftermarket of coarse) to the MBP and it's almost the same price. Then it's basically do you want the ODD or the retina display?

agreed.

 

[powerslave65]

If you need a robust laptop right this second then the cMBP is the only choice.

 

[Slivortal]

depends on if you want to get a $2k computer to browse the web at starbucks on a high res screen (this is how i see the retina mbp), or if you want a powerful computer on which you can do work...

anyway, here's what i've went with:

base classic model + 256gig ssd + 16gigs of ram for ~$2100 and then another $250 for applecare. shopping around can usually net you a much better deal than going directly to apple.

So, wait a minute. A computer with the same specs as yours with a larger graphics card and a better screen is somehow less powerful? I don't get your line of reasoning at all.

I mean, sure, $300 may cost you a few trips to Starbucks, but I'd rather have a smaller chassy, better screen, and better graphics card than 30 latés.

 

[splitpea]

15" MBP = $1799. Best Buy has the 15" rMBP for $2089.

So, for $290 you get (a) retina display, (b) SSD and (c) an extra 4 MB of RAM.

Hard to see how the regular 2012 15" makes sense if you look at it that way. Maybe I'm missing something.

If I were buying right now I'd got for the classic with hi-res, for the following reasons:

- 1440x900 is too small for me to work efficiently on, and the reports of rMBP lagginess at 1680x1050 / 1900x1200 are discouraging.

- Upgrading the RAM in the classic to match the rMBP would only cost about $100.

- I can always use an optibay solution to install an SSD.

- I need more than 256MB internal storage and the rMBP upgrade prices are prohibitive.

While I would *love* the smaller and lighter form factor, and while I'm sure it's great for some people, it's just not a practical solution for me.

Maybe in a couple generations when the GPUs catch up; or if they ever re-enable aftermarket memory upgrades.