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Pro tools vs logic 8 ?

zimv20 said:
so will this thread keep going until it's replaced by "Pro tools vs logic 9"?
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It'll keep going till

a) Digidesign goes bankrupt
b) Apple drops Logic
c) People stop being so trivial and get on with actually making some music.
 
junior said:
trivial
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A lot of assumptions, half-truths and plain false info come up in all Logic vs. Pro Tools discussions I've witnessed, but there's nothing trivial about a discussion comparing two applications like PT and Logic as such.

Logic and Pro Tools HD constantly are being compared nowadays. It's currently between Logic 8.02 and Pro Tools 7.4.2, and will soon be between Pro Tools 8 vs Logic 8.* (unless Apple develops something completely new).

When two DAWs starting at respectively $500 list and $8,000 list (or is the PTHD list $9,000 now?) are being compared so intensively, - it has a reason, and IMO it's highly relevant to compare the value of PTHD with the increasing 'pro-ness' of Logic.


On one hand, some PT users seem to firmly insist that what we know has happened with Avid vs Final Cut Pro never will happen with Pro Tools vs Logic, while others are attracted to Logic based on that Apple actually both controls the hardware, the OS and the DAW development. Unlike some others, I'm personally 100% convinced that Logic is still being developed - even if there haven't been any sub-releases for quite some time.

Discussions normally both start and end end up with some people preferring Logic while others prefer Pro Tools. Having followed such discussions both in magazines, among colleagues and if various forums for some years, the tendency has been very clear lately: more people tend to want to move from PT to Logic than ever, which eg. this Pro Tools/Logic poll shows.

It's only fair that some people prefer PT over Logic - and vice versa - but so much happens with the development of Intel chips, with Snow Leopard, 12-core Macs, use of graphics cards to process non-graphical stuff, with Logic itself and with audio optimizations in OSX in general that even if I would have owned a PT based, and not a Logic based recording studio, I'd definitely install Logic even if it was only to be compatible with clients using Logic.

More and more people are relying solely on native processing these days, and nothing suggests that this will change back to mainly be relying on DSP cards - ever. Especially now when we have the global financial situation we have and also know how the situation in the music/recording business has been developing for a while, a switch to more - and not less - use of dedicated DSP cards isn't only unlikely, it just won't happen (unless something very unexpected happens, like eg. that dedicated DSP cards will drop massively in price or that revolutionary features will pop up that just require a lot more DSP power than DAWs usually need today).

"'It is really, increasingly, financial suicide to consider using Avid,' when the same work can be done with Apple gear, he says," Barron's reports. "Alpert's color-correction expert, who 'swore he'd never switch to Apple,' this year made the transition to Apple's program, dubbed 'Color,' with relative ease and is now 'quite happy.' Worse, film and TV's next generation is growing up on Apple's cheaper platform."

Barron's reports, "Avid still has fans, but the devotion gap, if you will, has narrowed substantially with Apple. A recent survey conducted by Piper's Olson of 112 post-production video specialists found 45% using Avid machines and 41% using Apple, with the latter having jumped from 32% just a year ago."
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More here.
 
Yeah, initial cost is quite a fair bit (I think I spent 12k), but software upgrades aren't too expensive. I think PT8HD will cost me $250. As did 7.4.
When I look at the rest of my equipments in my studio, not to mention construction and acoustic costs, I really don't think the price is a big deal for studios.
For arrangers, composers, musicians, etc I would always recommend them Logic. Absolutely no point in having HD systems in those situations.
Now I know you're an engineer and you're doing your stuff at home on Logic, but I still think you're a rare breed. There aren't too many engineers around me that are as familiar with Logic as they are with PT. I think a few of them would stop using my place if I only offered Logic (I offer both).
It's also got to be a bit of a drag bouncing both processed and unprocessed tracks when mixing in a different location is a necessity?
Anyway, I like PT and you like Logic. We both make a living through different approaches so we're both happy.
I hope both companies keep on improving. If it wasn't for Logic I doubt PT8 would have turned out the way it has. Likewise Logic 8 -> PT7.
 
Hi. First time poster. I have a simple question which may or may not have a simple answer.

I have an old Mac (G4, OS 10.3.9) and Pro Tools 6.4 LE. I am going to be getting a new iMac soon to replace my computer, and obviously I also need to replace Pro Tools 6.4 at the same time. Should I:

A. Get Pro Tools 8, because I know how Pro Tools works, and presumably there will be little or no learning curve for me, or

B. Get Logic 8, because if I know how Pro Tools works, figuring out Logic will be a snap, and Logic will work better with my new Mac, and the audio results will be at least equivalent?

Thanks. I should add that I am 58 as and not as able to "learn new tricks" as I once was. (No disrespect to others who are 58 and can.:) )
 
riddlemay said:
Hi. First time poster. I have a simple question which may or may not have a simple answer.

I have an old Mac (G4, OS 10.3.9) and Pro Tools 6.4 LE. I am going to be getting a new iMac soon to replace my computer, and obviously I also need to replace Pro Tools 6.4 at the same time. Should I:

A. Get Pro Tools 8, because I know how Pro Tools works, and presumably there will be little or no learning curve for me, or

B. Get Logic 8, because if I know how Pro Tools works, figuring out Logic will be a snap, and Logic will work better with my new Mac, and the audio results will be at least equivalent?

Thanks. I should add that I am 58 as and not as able to "learn new tricks" as I once was. (No disrespect to others who are 58 and can.:) )
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If you know PT, stick with it - especially if the older version is a decent price point for you and does what you need. Logic will do more for cheaper but the learning curve is a little steep.

Also, try 6.4 on your new machine before you take the plunge on a newer version. I wouldn't be so sure that it won't work. Check DigiDesign's site for compatibility notes, it should say there.
 
Thanks, zzmook. It took me till today to see your reply--hence the delay in my acknowledgment of it. It is very helpful.

I just rechecked digidesign's compatibility page for Mac and Pro Tools LE, and the only version of Pro Tools LE that is compatible with the latest Macs running 10.5.5 and 10.5.6 is, as I thought, Pro Tools 8.
 
digi 002 and logic

I have the 002 digidesign mixer (not rack) but is logic capable of control in real time the 002 robotic faders? Do I have to instal digidesign drivers in mi macbook pro in order to to use logic with digi 002?
 
Get both :)

Logic 8 and the cheapest Pro Tools LE 8 with the micro interface for just playing with/editing.

I use Logic for my musical needs, but had to get Pro Tools LE purely for work related editing, so the micro bundle did the trick, and Pro Tools 8 from what I've seen is pretty snazzy. Granted there are a fair few limitations to the LE software, and the HD systems are out of the reach of most bedroom producers, but there are features in Pro Tools I'd love to see in Logic.
 
Honestly.. I dunno why everyone is arguing. Each has their pros and cons and each of the different platforms will suit different people's work-flows. I think, if you prefer Logic then go with logic!! If on the other hand all you know is ProTools, then it's more productive to stick to what you know instead of being less creative learning a whole new application.

Personally, I prefer PT HD cause it's the tool I learnt to use, sure it has a few cons but how many applications/tools out there doesn't? In the home, i can't afford PTHD for my own projects soo I use the PTLE. Before you say.. I've tried both logic and cubase, to be honest. I don't really like the interface other than that.. it's both equally as doable.

PS.. Logic 9 is coming (perhaps it's already here!)
 
I hate to resurrect the dead again, but I hadn't read all the way through and wanted to make sure it hadn't been mentioned....

I am a former Windows/Audition/Cool Edit user with some very limited dabbling in PT. 2 years ago, I switched to all Mac for our business's creative and added Windows through BC just to be able to use Audition. A year ago, I was turned on to Lynda.com. Awesome site to learn any software in a pretty enjoyable and entertaining way. Also, beats the heck out of trying to read all the literature Apple packages with Logic:) There are some excellent books out, but in a weekend (only 4 or 5 hours each day), you can run through this course on Logic and be on your way. I learned it on a really late Friday night about a year ago and haven't booted into Windows since:)

Again, I was never a big PT user initially...BUT, we do now record and produce mobile-ly (I know that's not a word) and I couldn't be happier with my Logic experience. The learning curve is only steep if you look at their books that they give you....and it makes a lot of sense, because Logic is a VERY powerful program. You certainly don't need to know it all to get going efficiently though. Spend a weekend with Lynda and you'll be recording 32 channels on Monday;)

http://www.lynda.com/home/DisplayCourse.aspx?lpk2=479

PS, Should also mention for those interested....there is also a very incredible Pro Tools training session

http://www.lynda.com/home/DisplayCourse.aspx?lpk2=756



J
 
I agree it's best to have more tools to call on. Learning Logic and Pro tools would be a good move.

Someone mentioned tutorials for Logic above. There are lots of options available but from my experience and that of colleagues and friends the www.macprovideo.com tutorials provide the widest and most indepth range for Logic and now for Pro Tools too. I watched their Elastic Audio tutorial (Pro Tools) last month and decided why choose between Logic and Pro Tools when you can have the best of both worlds?!

With the help of these tutorials switching across from Logic to PT has been a breeze :)

There are some features that are not there in Logic 8 (elastic audio, an efficient way to achieve Beat Detective's features, etc) and I love use Logic for composing and creating over Pro Tools. It's impossible to know about what Logic 9 (if it exists) will be like so my moto is use what is here now to make great music!

deej
 
WinterMute said:
The choice (as has been noted here) is about you working style. If you are composing I suggest that Logic (or Neuendo or DP5 or even Abelton Live) is a better choice out of the box and gives a lot of bang for the buck. If you are recording Protools offers a linear workflow and a set of editing tools that Logic has only just caught up with. If you are mixing, neither is really good enough, as they are both native and use the computers on-board processors, mixing in Protools or Logic can only really be achieved without pain on an HD or similarly DSP-rich system.
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what app is good enough for mixing?
 
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