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Problem installing OS X 10.1 (Puma) on Blueberry iBook G3

Have you used OS 9 at length on your iBook lately? If so, have you noticed any weird instability?

Do you still have your Apple Hardware Test disk? Try running the extended test if you do.
 
LittleJoe,
I remember installing 10.2 on my snow G3 iBook. it was reallly slooow. I think it took a few hours. make sure you are giving it enough time.
 
aquajet said:
Have you used OS 9 at length on your iBook lately? If so, have you noticed any weird instability?

Do you still have your Apple Hardware Test disk? Try running the extended test if you do.
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I work at a laptop repair shop... weve tested the hardware at length and everything checks out all right. Ive used OS 9 on it for a week and had no problems at all.
 
It's probably the memory.

The big problem is the fact that the clamshell iBooks only have 32 MB of RAM onboard, so if you remove the third-party memory, you're down to 32 MB, and OS X will refuse to boot with 32 MB of RAM. (I don't know if it will kernel panic or what. I've never tried it.)

As for the size of OS X, I have Panther installed on a 3 GB hard drive of an iMac G3 (yes, it also has OS 9 on there,) as well as a clamshell iBook with a 4 GB hard drive (again, it also has OS 9.) I have four CD disc images (my daughters games,) in my "Applications (Mac OS 9)" folder. So here are my folders:
Applications (Mac OS 9): 1.08 GB
Applications: 147 MB
System Folder: 231.1 MB
System: 692.9 MB
Library: 95.3 MB
Users: 77.5 MB
bin: 3.3 MB
sbin: 2 MB
usr: 129.5 MB
private: 68.2 MB
(The last four are hidden folders. The remaining 7 root level folders on this iBook are less than 1 MB each.)

So if you add together all the OS X-specific folders, we get 1142 MB. I can't imagine that 10.1 would take up more space than 10.3.

Unfortunately, my only 10.1 install disc is a nonbootable 10.0 -> 10.1 upgrade disc, so I can't tell you the exact install size of 10.1; but if you want, I can tell you what the install size of 10.0 followed by a 10.0 to 10.1 upgrade is.
 
Well I got it installed. A friend of mine at work took it overnight and installed OS X. His panther install discs would not work either, so he burned some panther discs at like 2x speed and they finally worked. Running 10.3.9 with no problems (outside ****** wireless reception :p)
 
ehurtley said:
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So if you add together all the OS X-specific folders, we get 1142 MB. I can't imagine that 10.1 would take up more space than 10.3.

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Everything is not contained within the folders that you listed. Launch Terminal and look at the root-level hidden files.
 
ehurtley said:
It's probably the memory.

The big problem is the fact that the clamshell iBooks only have 32 MB of RAM onboard, so if you remove the third-party memory, you're down to 32 MB, and OS X will refuse to boot with 32 MB of RAM. (I don't know if it will kernel panic or what. I've never tried it.)
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Well, if you've tried it you will know it does boot, but takes several minutes and runs e-x-t-r-e-m-e-l-y s-l-o-w-l-y.

This was more brought out of accident when I made a mistake updating RAM in a rev c iMac.

I can't remember which version of Mac OS X I was running at the time, could have been 10.0 or 10.1.
 
MisterMe said:
It has nothing to do with faith. Whether or not you can install MacOS X 10.1 on a Mac with only 128 MB RAM and only 4 GB hard drive space is a well-defined experiment.
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Which you have never bothered to try... hence, your assertions are based on faith.

I'll let slide the business about installing MacOS X 10.1 on a computer with half the RAM and half the hard drive space of the OP's iBook G3.
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You've let a lot more than that slide, why not test what we are all telling you?

Everything is not contained within the folders that you listed. Launch Terminal and look at the root-level hidden files.
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We can look at my 10.2 system then (minus Applications and Users)...
  • System (637 MB)
  • Library (266 MB)
  • usr (185 MB)
  • dev (4.69 MB)
  • bin (3.83 MB)
  • mach_kernel (3.57 MB)
  • private (3.32 MB not counting var)
  • sbin (1.92 MB)
  • mach.sym (696 KB)
  • .DS_Store (8 KB)
  • .hidden (4 KB)
  • var (4 KB)
  • etc (4 KB)
  • temp (4 KB)
  • mach (4 KB)
  • lost+found (0 KB)
  • Temporary Items (0 KB)
  • .Trashes (0 KB)
  • cores (0 KB)
That totals 1106 MB. And I know that I have extra stuff in some of these folders from additional apps I've installed.

If you have files/folders in excess of what is listed here, then you may want to consult someone as to what is wrong with your system. But they are not Mac OS X specific folders as ehurtley was talking about.

Frankly, your numbers (specially that 3 GB number) don't add up. If I get 1106 MB with 10.2 and ehurtley is getting 1142 MB with 10.3, then maybe you should reconsider what you've believed up to this point.
 
Just to complete the list...

10.0.3 "clean" install: 845.4 MB
10.1 upgrade install (includes some stuff left over from 10.0.3 that wouldn't have been included in a clean 10.1 install:) 864 MB

First, I did a format and install of 10.0.3. Then I ran the setup assistant. Then I did a simple "Get Info" on the hard disk to find the space used. Then I put in the 10.1 upgrade disc, and ran the upgrade. Did a simple "Get Info" on the disk again.
 
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