problems with the G5 benchmarks?

[Rower_CPU]

Let's not instigate a flamewar here folks.

Debate the topic, not each other.

 

[MrJamie]

Originally posted by sgomez
MrJamie... Wow, touché..... Egocentrical uh? hehehehe

I tend to be rather forgiving when it comes to semantics. I'd appreciate if people would return the favor, but to me it seems that you'd rather begin some silly grammatical argument.

I still stand by my point, which you seem smart enough to have understood; your opinion is no more qualified in regard to what we're talking about than anyone other one person's.

I'll just leave it at that, we're all smart enough to make our own conclusions after posts like yours.

So, if my command of the english language isn't as good as yours, I must not be as bright? Tell me, how much Japanese do you know? How much French? How much Latin?

I try to be forgiving, but when people start edging towards ad hominem comments I'll be the first to admit I can lose my composure; over such a silly thing, too, as semantics!

-- As for my blindness in Apple Land? Well that's just foolish. I am no fanatic,

I never called you as much, but maybe my writing was too sloppy for you to understand what I meant; I'll try to keep it simple so I don't slip up, eh? You like Macs more than PCs.* This makes you bias. The end. Hell, I'm a mac user going on 14 years, and I tend to have a strong bias myself. I don't see how to be a 'true mac user' you have to accept everything Apple pushes your way at face value, though. <-- in reference to the tone of that other guy's post. Sorry for forgetting your name, other guy!

I understand you may-or-may-not feel the same way.

For the rest, you've answered yourself in your little tantrum. I don't care if the P4 is 10 times faster than the G6 for God's sake. As you hopefully know, these are two different systems we're talking about and the one I wish to use is called a Powermac.

Hey, alright, I'm sorry if anything I said offended you, but I honestly ment it in as neutral a way as possible. Reading this, I can only guess that my attempt to be neutral was fruitless -- probably my fault as much as anybody elses. If you want, you can try reading my message again in a more neutral tone.

I know, out of all people, that it can hurt our pride to be corrected -- that doesn't mean a correction is a "tantrum."

These are only a few of the factors why I chose my Macs:

- Stability
- OS X
- Graphic Design
- Pro Video/Film
- and kick ass look...

- Stability
Me too.

-OS X
I love OSX; in recent years it has been the only thing keeping me from going to an x86 machine. It's a pretty big hook though Now that we have awesome desktops, there's a bit more to anchor me.

- Kick Ass look
Eh. The laptops are superb, and I think the new G5 is really the first "different" / "innovative" / "new" machine we've seen from Apple in a while. From the first G4s to now, though, the kick ass look factor didn't apply to desktops, in my eyes at least.

Did I mention the speed? NO!
Did I say P4 in the same breath as G4 or G5? NO!
Do I care if the G5 is faster than other APPLES? OF COURSE!

Heh. I thought you, out of all "no one," would be the last to care about specs. After all, that is what you said.

Look, again, I don't mean for any personal attacks towards you. Just please try to not be closed minded. Realize that just because YOU don't care about the actual specs, there are tons of people that do... and you are not any more right than they are, or I am.

*but now prefer to use my macs for obvious reasons that I have posted earlier.

 

[sgomez]

LOVE IT... haha!

 

[ffakr]

Re: Re: what a load of whiny crap

Originally posted by illumin8
Sorry, I didn't get a chance to go and drink whatever magic kool-aid Jobs is feeding you...

Yes, the new G5s are great. As others have said already, I just wish they compared them to the current G4s so we would know how fast they really are. PCs to Macs is like Apples to Oranges...

I find it remarkable that Apple has only lowered the prices on their current 1.25 ghz. G4s by $300. Damn, those things hold their value, even when the G5 is 4 times faster (or whatever ridiculous amount it is).

I'll probably buy a G5, but I think I'll wait for rev. B when they're up to dual 2.5s or something.

Sorry no Kool-aid here. I fully have the ability to call a spade a spade. I recommend PCs when they are the best solution. I personally own one modern PC and Zero Macs (though I prefer Macs and use them primarily at work).

My frustration simply came from two main sources. People are griping about irrelevent things (that were outlined 6 months ago) like the lack of L3 cache... and people were immediatly ready to slam apple, though now it seems people are begrudgingly beginning to acknowledge that they may not be lying.

Things we know today (verified outside the reality distortion field):

1. The quake benchmarks (which I didn't realize were on Apple's site at first) were performed on a demo that DOESN'T run at 400 frames/sec on a 3GHz PC. It was a more intensive demo and the PC figures look accurate.
2. Apple sped up the PC SPEC scores by turning off HyperThreading. SPEC is very serial and it actually runs slower with HT on.
3. Apple posted Linux SPEC scores for the Intel boxes because they were FASTER than the Windows scores.
4. The changes to the G5 in the test (the hokey-pokey with the registers) will be the standard configuration for the shipping machines so this was done to reflect the real, finished product not to artificially inflate the scores.
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   As far as the comparison to the G4s. It may simply be that Apple knows it will never push the last of the G4s out of the channel if they put them head to head. I'd like to see a dual G4 against a dual G5 too.. but it would very much be against Apple's best interest to do so.
   
   I will, however, try to get a few other benchmarks performed in the G5 lab before I leave. I'm actually waiting for some word from the researchers I support to see if there is anything specifically they'd like run on the test machines.