Product Inventory Delays?

[kjgnola]

Thank you ROG someone had to say it.

While Steve may not have had direct responsibility, he is definitely accountable for the delays. Kinda comes with the territory of being the CEO, big bucks equal big time finger pointing.

If anyone should be called to the carpet for the problems though it should be Tim Cook. These are all operations problems and he is supposed to be a "whiz" according to Fortune. Hopefully what they have been doing is building stock of processors (at least processors!) while preparing for the release of the new iMac.

I find myself in the position that some of you have mentioned, switching over from Dull. Mine died while I was in Europe and I need to replace it. I switched out from my hell called the Thoughtpad and now have a PowerBook 12" and love it so much I want to go all Mac at this point.

Point of note for those waiting on the AirTunes Express, I was ready to order online and saw the wait time and ... long story short I found one at CompUsa and it is up and running beautifully. Just a thought, not trying to promote anyone.

 

[weezer160]

you're absolutely right. by 200....

What do you mean by that "200"? Just curious. I hope by next summer with the rev c designs IBM will have mastered 90nm fabrication. It's just hoping. But I've decided not to order a dual 2.5 anytime soon. Next summer for sure, though. My credit card is probably maxed out on the home improvements I'm doing.

 

[tunanut]

i waited and waited thru the rumours of new monitors for my new g5 to replace my pretty reliable but oh-so pokey PM 8600. finally, they were announced. yippeee! so i placed an order. pc connection said they were not in stock so i ordered it anyway thinking they'd ship together (ha). as it was, i got the new monitor 2 wks ago and there is sits on my floor as i await the DP 2.0 g5. oh the agony.

 

[wdlove]

i waited and waited thru the rumors of new monitors for my new g5 to replace my pretty reliable but oh-so pokey PM 8600. finally, they were announced. yippee! so i placed an order. pc connection said they were not in stock so i ordered it anyway thinking they'd ship together (ha). as it was, i got the new monitor 2 wks ago and there is sits on my floor as i await the DP 2.0 g5. oh the agony.

How many years of service did you get from your 8600? Is your DP 2.0 G5 a stock Machine? When did you order, thought the they have been shipping for a while now? What size and kind of monitor did you purchase?

 

[tunanut]

How many years of service did you get from your 8600? Is your DP 2.0 G5 a stock Machine? When did you order, thought the they have been shipping for a while now? What size and kind of monitor did you purchase?

Let's see, close to 9 years I'd reckon. Had a few problems w/it under warranty and Apple sent out a tech for on-site replacement of the zip drive. Those were the days, eh?

I ordered my DP 2.0 about 3 wks ago from PC Conn, not direct from Apple so it's a stock machine. Swallowed hard and bought the 23" aluminum. Nice box but with no DVI adapter (was told it's included -- NOT)...useless. Just informed that the 2.0s are backorded until 8/27 thru Ingram I guess. Rats.

 

[AntoineG]

iSight delay due to the magnetic clip for the new displays

I just got my new iSight after a 4 week delay.

It has a magnetic clip for the aluminum displays, but other than a manual with directions and this clip, it looks the same to the ones I have seen before, although it MAY be smaller, I do not have one to compare it to.

As we can see on the apple online store the iSight delay are due to the magnetic clip for the new displays that are now included...
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APP...KYyEt4YpBEAe3h/0.0.9.1.0.6.21.1.2.1.3.0.0.1.0

"Magnetic Personality
To attach your iSight to the new displays, Apple now offers a magnetic mounting solution. This stand is available in new iSight boxes this summer, and included in the mounting kit accessory package."

 

[alexf]

Let me tell you something... and your going to have to trust me on this.
the "new" 90 nm 970's shipping right now are NOT radically different from the original 970. The only addition was something called PowerTune (there was even a rumor thread about that on this site). PowerTune will allow the 970 to be used in lower power boxes, that's it. Actually, it can hurt performance due to the overhead of switching frequencies back an forth, depending on the situation. The other problem is that the 90nm version is a smaller die, which is harder to cool. Hence, the cooling system might be bigger for the newer procs, but I'm not sure about that. There are some bug fixes in the 90nm products, but nothing that will make the system more stable. There is a significant change to the chipset, but I can't talk about that.

What? How can that be? What about all this talk about how the 970fx and how it is an improvement in many ways?

And why would the cooling system potentially have to be bigger if these chips run cooler and consume less power?

 

[morespce54]

Yep...

I'm starting to feel exactly the same. I used to be really full of Apple-zealotness but latley I've quieted down and don't even know if my next desktop will be a Mac (when PC prices are so good). Tiger is nothing really special to me - search isn't a big part of my life. The G5 iMac also sounds stupidly highly priced. I could be wrong, but with pricing it's usually apple's motto of price themselves out of the correct market.

Yep. I was thinking the same...

 

[wdlove]

As we can see on the apple online store the iSight delay are due to the magnetic clip for the new displays that are now included...
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APP...KYyEt4YpBEAe3h/0.0.9.1.0.6.21.1.2.1.3.0.0.1.0

"Magnetic Personality
To attach your iSight to the new displays, Apple now offers a magnetic mounting solution. This stand is available in new iSight boxes this summer, and included in the mounting kit accessory package."

The session has timed out. Is it easy to purchase a magnetic clip separately for an older iSight?

 

[seamuskrat]

I received my new iSight package last Saturday. It does come with the new magnetic clip and works with any number of magnetic devices. I have mine on a metal bookshelf.

 

[BlueRevolution]

Delays? Yeah, I've noticed that... my power mac dual 1.8 ghz was supposed to come in 1-2 weeks, but it didn't end up coming for around 6 weeks, leaving me with nothing but a w*ndows 98 machine that couldn't get its little 433 mhz mind around the idea that a crash does not necessarily have to follow the difficult task of BOOTING THE DAMN MACHINE

[/rant]

 

[MacinDoc]

What? How can that be? What about all this talk about how the 970fx and how it is an improvement in many ways?

And why would the cooling system potentially have to be bigger if these chips run cooler and consume less power?

Since the chip is smaller, there is less surface area from which to transfer the heat, so the cooling system must be more efficient. It's sort of like food that's too hot - it will cool faster if you spread it out on your plate instead of piling it all in the middle. That's why the 2.5 GHz 970FX needs liquid cooling.

 

[tunanut]

..still waiting.

Okay, my last notice from PCConnection was my dual 2g desktop was supposed to ship Friday last. Sales rep calls and said Apple now says the delivery date is open-ended. Middlmen like Ingram are apparently out of stock so now I'm getting annoyed. Does anyone know of a source for the dual 2gigs? I'm sitting here with a 23" flat panel (which I thought would be the big delay) and no desktop on the horizon. This is may be good news for Apple in the demand arena, but makes them look a little undependable from the customers point of view.

 

[zelmo]

Okay, my last notice from PCConnection was my dual 2g desktop was supposed to ship Friday last. Sales rep calls and said Apple now says the delivery date is open-ended. Middlmen like Ingram are apparently out of stock so now I'm getting annoyed. Does anyone know of a source for the dual 2gigs? I'm sitting here with a 23" flat panel (which I thought would be the big delay) and no desktop on the horizon. This is may be good news for Apple in the demand arena, but makes them look a little undependable from the customers point of view.

I went to CompUSA yesterday to pick up a power supply for some junky PC, and they had 4 dual 2.0 units on the shelf in their Apple section. The guy said they had at least another dozen in back, but they had no 1.8 or 2.5 boxes at all. They also had three lonely 15" G4 iMac's that no one wanted to buy.

 

[tunanut]

I went to CompUSA yesterday to pick up a power supply for some junky PC, and they had 4 dual 2.0 units on the shelf in their Apple section. The guy said they had at least another dozen in back, but they had no 1.8 or 2.5 boxes at all. They also had three lonely 15" G4 iMac's that no one wanted to buy.

Well, after reading your observation, pm, i too went to CrapUSA to check it out (grudgingly). They in fact had one lunched dual 2 on the shelf which they were offering a paltry 100 bux off of for the open box. My deal with PCConn includes the widely offere extra gig of RAM so that's a loss, plus the sales tax of 150 clams is another downer, but the big thing is I'd rather eat glass than buy anything I may have to return from them, the homedepot of computer stores. I've seen the hassles people have with returns there and I've vowed to try never to by anything from them more complex than a ream of paper or a book, so a CPU I'd use for my work, well, when it's your livelyhood, you need the support of a dealer with a good rep.

 

[Lord_Bremen]

My 30 inch just got pushed back to 10/25...anyone have an idea when they might start shipping them? Will they give us a free DVI-ADC adapter until it arrives?

 

[tunanut]

update: i gave up on pcconn after they changed the ship date on me twice cuz apple is having supply probs. ordered from apple and they say 5-7 days. we'll see.

 

[CholEoptera36]

I received my new iSight package last Saturday. It does come with the new magnetic clip and works with any number of magnetic devices. I have mine on a metal bookshelf.

Hey that's a great idea seamuskrat. I'm going to purchase one with my new iMac G5, and have a number of things around that I could clip it to. You just gave me some really kool ideas, thanks

 

[wdlove]

My 30 inch just got pushed back to 10/25...anyone have an idea when they might start shipping them? Will they give us a free DVI-ADC adapter until it arrives?

Maybe there should be a thread started for those that are waiting for the 30" Cinema Display.

 

[Bobbie Dooley]

Two Sides to Product Delays. Launches vs. Established Products

Yo yo yo yo yo -

Let's start with the iMac G5. Very Tasty. They are saying 4 weeks to ship. Factor in some BS and say it ships in 6 weeks (nobody should be surprised if it takes even longer than that). So for those who are comparing this vs. a PC, you need to look out at what you can get in about 2 months for the same money. It's easier to have a competitive advantage for a product you announce now, but deliver in 2 months.

That said, processor performance is beyond the tasks of most users these days anyhow... well with the exception of video. But even for basic photo editing, unless your jacking a 40 meg file, most modern day desktops work fine for most photo editing.

My argument is that processor performance is becoming a less significant factor in evaluating desktop performance. Design, stability, application availability - those are more important considerations when buying a new desktop.

So, I think that product availability, delays in product rollouts or order fulfillment in established products.. well it sucks.. but it's not a barrier to growing sales.

Apple's predictament is that they are at the mercy of their vendors. Apple, by nature of being a design/marketing firm, can only deliver what their vendors can deliver for them.

Peas out, Macintosh Daddy.

 

[kjgnola]

While it is true that apple can only ship product that they actually receive the parts for, this all comes back to simple supply chain management. Not only am I a new bie here but also to the mac world. (only been away from pc's for aobut 6 months now) What I do know is that it is possible to do things better in regards to shipping. I may not be smart enough to do it, but there are some out there that could. Apple does a lot right, but growing sales through slow delivery is not something I think they would put on a resume.

 

[aidamahn]

Maybe there should be a thread started for those that are waiting for the 30" Cinema Display.

good idea. maybe a 6800 and 30" wait thread, like the much popular 2.5 ghz powermac shipping thread

 

[aidamahn]

12" ibook delay?

My mother is going to be ordering a 1.0 ghz 12" ibook, are there any wide spread delays on those? My 2.5 G5's hasn't shipped and it was ordered june 17th which makes me nervous becuase this will be her "switcher mac", i don't want her to get flustered by any big delays.

 

[arrowhead]

Exactly. I've been using PC's for 15 years and a couple weeks ago finally decided I'd convert to mac...including buying all new "mac" versions of tons of software. I spent over $5000 buying a new PowerMac G5 and new software and I was told it would take 5-7 business days to build my mac and then ship it. Then the day after it was supposed to ship they e-mail telling me they've pushed back the ship date 2 more weeks. Do I feel confident that I made the decisions to switch to mac? Not at all. I didn't pay $5000 to be sold something they don't even have (the GeForce 6800). If it keeps getting pushed back I won't hesitate to cancel my order.

apple nowadays has started looking more and more like apple of early-to-mid 90's before Jobs returned. they had the products that people wanted but had a lot of problems at the factory shipping them out to the customers. the rest was basically the history as most of you all know what happened. michael dell once said in an interview that pc loses its value by roughly 15 to 20% per week just sitting on the store shelves. i thought that was really true whenever i looked local newspaper ad's (i live in san jose area.) for prices for various pc related components. now that apple gladly takes orders from people but doesn't ship them for 4 to 6 weeks or even longer. that, to me, is completely ridiculous. the delay to launch new imac G5 was and will be a good example, and i expect the first rev release to have some problems as usual. (buying a mac is almost like buying a new car - never buy one just after they did a complete redesign.) it is a shame because i love mac....

 

[etherest]

Airport availability

I was just looking at http://store.apple.com for an Airport base station. I noticed that they no longer list the powered over ethernet one or the one without the modem. Are they just having problems making them or is the Aiport base station due to be updated?