Production of Faster Apple TV 5 Rumored to Begin in Early 2016

[Jsameds]

SD content still outnumbers 1080p content by a huge factor too. So, apparently, we shouldn't embrace 1080p either?

The old & established "now" will always FAR outnumber the new & upcoming "future":

• Isn't there many more iPhones that are not 6s in use than 6s? So we shouldn't embrace iPhone 6s until everyone else is on that bandwagon?
• Isn't there many more Macs not with Skylake, so we shouldn't embrace Macs with Skylake?
• Isn't there far, FAR more Windows-based computers in play than OS-X based computers? So we shouldn't embrace OS-X based computers?
• Isn't there many more iPhones that don't have Apple Pay capabilities than those that do? So we shouldn't embrace Apple Pay?
• Traditional watches vs. Apple watch?
• Touch ID?
• 3D Touch?
• 1080p at 60fps?
• iPad Pro?

That's always the issue with this argument against progress because it's not already dominating the "now". The "now" only falls vs. the "future" when enough embrace that "future" to make it reach popularity dominance. If everyone accepts that they should wait until the "future" is dominant, it can't become dominant. And if you own an iPhone or a very new Mac or pay with Apple Pay or use an OS-X computer or have an Apple Watch or use Touch ID, etc, you're apparently not practicing what you appear to be trying to preach with this "wait until it dominates" argument.

"SD content still outnumbers 1080p content by a huge factor too. So, apparently, we shouldn't embrace 1080p either?"

Rubbish. Everything is broadcast in HD now and 99% of content is available in HD. Just go through Netflix and see how long it takes you to find something that isn't HD, and look on Amazon and try and find a movie that's not on Blu-Ray that you're not previously aware of.

And you are confusing two very different things here. 4K is a resolution, you can't compare it with hardware like TouchID. See if you have TouchID, you can experience 100% of what TouchID brings, but if you have a 4K TV you can only experience a small amount of 4K content. See the difference? Same goes for all of your other hardware examples. They are just not comparable in the slightest.

 

[Piggie]

They are the same old arguments. Use the thread history to look up phrases like "720p is good enough" and re-read some of that from before there was an TV3. Often the words are nearly identical, only swapping in 4K for 1080p.

Personally, I don't fault anyone for feeling that "1080p is good enough" (I think it's great myself). What I do fault is such passionate arguments against something that would really have no effect on anyone who feels that way (they wouldn't have to buy or download anything different than they do now if Apple rolled out a 4K version) but these same people won't be back to rail against Apple when they roll out a 4K TV. In short, apparently all this anti-4K sentiment only applies BEFORE Apple has a 4K TV product. After they roll one out, all this will stop... until the 8K rumors start building up and then we'll dust it all off again (update "the chart"), rinse & repeat.

It seems to me that if one can passionately argue it's uselessness now, it should be the same after Apple adopts it (and we all know they will). But I just never see that here. Our fellow consumers and Apple enthusiasts are stupid if they want anything not for sale by Apple right now... but Apple is not stupid when they then embrace that very same thing. This was exactly how it went down before and after Apple rolled out the "3". Same with NFC, bigger-screen phones and on and on.

Agree with you fully.
It's a shame that so many here are acting like they are in some religious cult, and will actively rubbish anything their cult (Apple) does not offer.
Then, the second their cult (Apple) does offer it, it's the most amazing thing ever.
Those who have been in these forums for a long time have seen this happen time and time again.

I simply wish more people here had their own mind, and did not simply blindly follow what one brand "Apple" does.
It does not mean you are an evil person for liking or wanting something Apple does not currently offer you know.

We should all be looking forward and hoping for better things at all times.
Not just rubbishing the concept of anything new, simply because your loyal brand does not currently offer it.

 

[xmichaelp]

HDMI 2 interface, and more power. 4k uses 4 times the pixels of full HD.

The ATV 4 is like 10x as fast as the ATV 3 which could run 1080p. Power is not a problem.

 

[nelmat]

No, I don't own one. But I do know that Apple's rules for iPhone apps just don't square with my idea of fair and freedom enhancing. I see no reason to suspect that Apple's rules for Apple TV apps will be any better and I think they should be for a device that has the potential to control everything that I watch.

Well i can put any content I want on my hard drive and watch it on the Apple TV, so that's a nonsense opinion to have - it doesn't get any more open than that. I hope the TV App Store is regulated in the same way as iOS App Store. I want to see quality control, standard UI, integration with Siri and much more - if anything the App Store for the TV should be more tightly regulated than iOS to ensure a consistent user experience.

 

[BornAgainMac]

The differences between the iPad 3 and 4 were big enough that a lot of customers were a tad annoyed , one thing dealing with it another thing being shafted by apple , especially without warning after just a few months

The iPad 4 on paper wasn't much different than iPad 3. iPad 3 would get warmer, thick, too slow for the retina display. iPad 4 fixed all that.

 

[xmichaelp]

“If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”

– Henry Ford

You're a luddite.

Thankfully no matter how much you complain 4k will still come.

I'm sorry you feel insecure with your 1080p TV and need to justify it. Kind of sad.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Serious Question:

Do you think this device, in Apple's mind will gradually grown into Apple's home games (entertainment) console/device?

Apple do not wish to get into a fight with the BIG BOYS when it comes to consoles, which is a DAM SHAME.........
But putting that aside. Do you feel they may try and quietly slip in and grab some low end market gaming share with this device in the future.

My subjective opinion is that there is probably a much larger market for what would be called the casual gamer than exists for the "big boy" consoles. This would people that want to play simple & fun games without too much complication etc. For example, I'd rather dust off a classic "just play" arcade racing game than to have to jump through the hoops to assemble and build the components for my virtual race car. Some may love that level of "play(? is it play?)" but I'm more of a "just race" or "just play" kind of casual gamer myself.

Maybe I'm in the extreme minority and the gamer crowd much favors all of the non-play chores that seem to have become key to many console games? But, if not, I suspect the market for the "just play" crowd is large and even the current TV4 will prove it out as more and more games come to market. If there's a (easily correctable) mistake made for this concept (gaming) with the "4", it's that Apple should back off of requiring the remote as a default controller. Instead, just make it clear in the app store that some games require a dedicated controller and consumers should be able to figure out that they need to buy that accessory to play most games. Or roll out a "gamer edition TV4" that includes 1 or 2 controllers at maybe $249? Apple loves to sell accessories so that all seems like a good "just works" business decision(s) too.

The above is all subjective, all without the confidence of gaming industry market research and all just IMO. Obviously, I believe- perhaps foolishly- that there would be plenty of money in this particular opportunity for TV. Time will prove my guess right or wrong.

 

[PaulRustad007]

Well they need to fix the software first. Big issue is the skipping, pausing and stalling of many/most of my home share movies. I do not want to run the movies via itunes and my internet service all the time that is not the solution. It is not all on the cloud and internet, I have a large old Mac Pro serving my videos and having them stored locally. I am sure this is premature but tvOS needs major overall. Many are reporting this issue see the forum on apple TV and look for buffering issues.

Set up Plex....that is what I have with new aTV. No buffering issues at all.

 

[bpeeps]

I sure hope it is a rumor. Bigger, better, faster in just 3 mos? Here I thought I was getting the latest and greatest and now in 3 months it will be an older model, of course after the return period. UGH!

Entering a trial production does not equal product release. The hysteria in this post is amazing.

 

[gaximus]

I personally don't mind if they update to the 5th gen tomorrow. The 4th gen is running great, and I have two other TV's that are running 2nd gen that need to be replaced! I am not sure what they could add that would make me want to upgrade a 4th gen. Even if I had 4k TV's, my viewing distances and TV sizes (max at 55") don't make 4k worth the bother.

I would love for them to do a different remote though... this thing kinda really sucks.

The remote needs haptic feedback, It's hard to swipe just one selection over sometimes. Haptic feedback would fix that.

 

[arftech99]

I don't understand this 4k obession. I mean, sure if you are running very large screen there's some benefit to it, but how many really do it?

On a 40-65" screen, it's not enough of an improvement. Heck, I'm running a movie filter on my 1080p movies in my 55" TV to add grain since it looks "too good" otherwise.

Wrong...I have a 65" 4K panel that can display HDR as the up conversion from 1080P to 4K is a noticeable difference on my tv. True 4K HDR with streaming via Amazon and Netflix looks really good and I could never go back to regular HD. BTW, I sit about 10 feet from my panel. To appreciate the tech you need to get a set in a home environment because stores do not do justice to the newer sets.

 

[selfsilent]

4K would be nice but if they can sort out the terrible remote action, that'd be great. Continuous swiping to highlight things, even more swiping to input test. I almost didn't make it through setup before just plugging the ATV3 back in. Luckily I have a Steelseries Stratus so now use that as a remote.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

4k lol. A large percentage of consumers still buy fancy whiz-bang HDTVs, hook them up, then promptly switch to a local cable access channel and crow to their friends and family about their "awesome looking new high definition picture."

That's right. Because all people are stupid, no need to advance any technology. I think Apple should just buy cheap Android smart phones and put an Apple sticker on the back. That can be the iPhone 7 and later. People are stupid so they'll never figure it out.

I think Apple should also buy dirt cheap Windows computer clones and put an Apple sticker over the no-name clone manufacturer label and call them OS 11 Macs. People are stupid so they'll never know.

And so on.

Are there stupid people out there? Yes. But not all people are stupid. If everybody can only be smart by waiting for everyone else to first embrace any new technology, ALL technology halts HERE... and we would all be stupid if we let such thinking make us all do that.

 

[nelmat]

You're a luddite.

Thankfully no matter how much you complain 4k will still come.

I'm sorry you feel insecure with your 1080p TV and need to justify it. Kind of sad.

Of course 4K will come, just as 720 came, and 1080 after it. The point that many people are making is that right now, this is not an essential thing for a streaming media box as so little content is available in 4K, and for many people bandwidth and data caps render this unusable. It would add unnecessary expense to the device at this stage, Apple are doing what they ALWAYS do and release a product 'good enough' for purpose at a reasonable price point. The upgrade will come, but it is not essential for Apple TV 4, or the majority of its users at this stage; moreover it is an entirely pointless thing to debate in terms of whether or not to buy the inexpensive product as an upgrade to the previous version. If you want to wait for the 4K version, then wait for it. It doesn't stop enjoyment of the current model or make those who are perfectly happy with it and have no need for 4K 'Luddites'.

By the way, there is so much misuse of the term 'luddite' on this thread that it's almost laughable. Anyone who just bought the new Apple TV cannot by definition be called a 'Luddite'.

 

[Jsameds]

Wrong...I have a 65" 4K panel that can display HDR as the up conversion from 1080P to 4K is a noticeable difference on my tv. True 4K HDR with streaming via Amazon and Netflix looks really good and I could never go back to regular HD. BTW, I sit about 10 feet from my panel. To appreciate the tech you need to get a set in a home environment because stores do not do justice to the newer sets.

You won't be watching much for the next couple of years, then..

 

[nt5672]

. . . I want to see quality control, standard UI, integration with Siri and much more . . .

If that were the only reasons that Apps were rejected then I would agree and have no problem with their policy. Unfortunately, Apple rejects apps because they are not politically correct. That is too abusive, at least to me.

 

[nt5672]

. . . I want to see quality control, standard UI, integration with Siri and much more . . .

If that were the only reasons that Apps were rejected then I would agree and have no problem with their policy. Unfortunately, Apple rejects apps because they are not politically correct. That is too abusive, at least to me.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

"You can't tell the difference between 4K and 1080p at normal viewing distances" is the new "You can't see the pixels on a retina display"

Hop back before the TV3 and you can find a ton of posts claiming: "you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p"

 

[bpeeps]

*you're

And you should read what he wrote again...you clearly don't get sarcasm.

You're missing the clear sarcasm

As are you.

 

[arftech99]

You won't be watching much for the next couple of years, then..

Not true. Regular HD programming is up converted to 4K on these sets and it's done automatically. Some companies do it better than others. BTW, I am already watching 4K content via Amazon and Netflix so the notion that I'll have to wait a couple of years is wrong. Blu-Ray content and players are coming this winter and fthe people who have a vested interest in this new tech will be overjoyed!

 

[freediverx]

Yeah, well I typically buy Blu-Rays for $4-10 on average for movies two years or older and rip them myself (Memorex 8x/16x/50x USB3 external BD Drive I bought on sale in 2013 for $50) and encode them and put them on my hard drive. It's not exactly hard and the quality is better than anything you'd get from Apple which is encrypted and worthless on any player other than Apple's...

Same here. That's what I do as well. But I wouldn't call out Apple as the main culprit. It's the content owners who destroy the user experience with heavy handed copy protection. Any DRM'd content will be restricted to playback on the software for which it was created.

 

[Crosscreek]

If it's released in 2016, I doubt the next Apple TV will support 4K.
All the factors working against wider 4K adoption today will remain in place in 2016...

• 4K resolution requires a very large (80"+) screen or very close viewing distance to be appreciated
• Most people don't own or have the space for an 80"+ TV
• Mot people don't want to view a 60" TV from 5 feet away
• Most Americans don't have sufficient bandwidth to stream 4K video at good bitrates w/o terrible compression
• Major ISPs in the US are imposing data caps that would make streaming 4K video prohibitively expensive for most
• Very little content is currently available in 4K

I can't agree on 4K. I just bought a 4K Vizio 60" in the summer and can tell you although I don't stream 4K often the upscaling of 1080P makes for a very crisp picture especially Blue Ray movies.

Content will come with time although I am very happy with the upscaling.

 

[Jsameds]

Hop back before the TV3 and you can find a ton of posts claiming: "you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p"

I remember it well. I also remember "There's no point having 1080p on anything smaller than 32 inches", and now we have 4K on smartphones

 

[nelmat]

If that were the only reasons that Apps were rejected then I would agree and have no problem with their policy. Unfortunately, Apple rejects apps because they are not politically correct. That is too abusive, at least to me.

But you don't need an approved app to view your content. You can view any content you own in digital format, without limit. Too many people focussing on the platform and forgetting about the important thing - content. When watching a movie or tv episode, I'm not looking at the interface, or admiring an app - I'm watching television. The new Apple TV makes it easier than previous models to search available content, more content is available for it, and I can easily stream my hard drives content without the need for jail breaking or work arounds.

It's a win win, and will only get better with each iteration, and as more content becomes available.

 

[freediverx]

No, I don't own one. But I do know that Apple's rules for iPhone apps just don't square with my idea of fair and freedom enhancing.

You mean like the freedom to be bombarded with low quality apps, malware, and adware on the Android platform? The freedom to be stuck with the same bug-ridden operating system because Google allows OEMs to dictate when or if specific devices are allowed to upgrade their OS?