The only thing you've summed up is that we all know what you think and have stopped listening. Without real arguments you only speak for trolls and liars.
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So what you're saying is 'because I can't have it it's pointless'. The world doesn't revolve around America...
And you keep on quoting that distance thing and are ignoring the multiple people in this thread alone who have a 4K TV in front of them and can tell the difference between 1080 and 4K at larger distances to what that random chart says.
That's not true. We can all do 4k right now with HDMI 1.4. It's just limited to 30fps. Amazon and Roku think that specs like that are good enough for their customers but Apple does not.
There are other countries you know. I already have 200Mb/s broadband. Easily fast enough for 4K. Sky (tv provider) is just about to release a 4K channel. BT already has a sports channel that is 4K. Netflix and Amazon already have 4K content. The current box looks like the "past of television" rather than the future, in this respect.
That'd be pretty terrible, because a) you generate a lot of buyer's remorse, especially considering aspect b) we've waited so long for a new Apple TV that the quick follow-up to ATV4 with an ATV5 would seem ridiculous (although H.265 is needed, across the board by the way).
So one part of me hopes this is real and that way we might finally see Apple adopt H.265 (outside of FaceTime
) and another part of me hopes they don't pull another iPad 3 vs. 4 debacle, but quite honestly, I don't see them being too afraid of that, especially as educated buyers aren't their demographic anyways and as long as it looks the same GUI-wise and box-wise I believe most people won't even know there's a new one. Glassed Silver:mac
I have one- no complaints about speed thus far. It needs work in other areas though.
Apple drastically diminished the amount of screensavers you can choose from which is a big con to me because half the time I leave my ATV on in screensaver mode while entertaining guests.
The remote is symmetrical and I always end up absent-mindedly grabbing upside-down. No podcasts app. Crippled Siri search. Requires MAC address and WiFi when setting up, which you can't find MAC without WiFi, which at certain apartment complexes and routers requires MAC to add devices to WiFi. Terrible keyboard layout- why not have a grid instead of one long row of letters? No folders for apps- no biggy especially since I've heard they're adding it. No way to refresh app store charts without closing app and opening it again which isn't a pain on the cpu because you hit cmd-r but on the ATV it's a nuisance. Glass on remote was a terrible design unless they want more people to buy remotes when they break eventually. Been over a month and still virtually no apps worth downloading. The list goes on and on...
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All of the these are good reasons - the wild card is that 4k is check box feature they can turn around and cause people to upgrade or new customers to join the party. I don't have the bandwidth and certainly won't be paying extra for going over the cap for the 2-3 4k netflix/amazon shows out there.
Ahhh, the "chart". It always comes out in arguments against the next resolution not currently able to be played by an Apple TV. Note the copyright date range. If you do a search and hop back to theTV threads before the "3", you'll find the very same chart, very same colors, etc minus the references to 4K. Back then, it was used just as often... and just as passionately... by those arguing why nobody needs a 1080p
Most people I know own a 55-65" 1080p TV and view it from about 8 feet away, a distance from which that resolution can be appreciated. Bump it up to 4K and we'd have to either reduce the viewing distance by half, or increase the screen size to 140"+.
Virtually every movie and TV show has been available for streaming in 1080p over prevailing internet connection speeds for years.
Apple doesn't do "check box" product marketing. In fact, their entire history is based on shunning competitors who do.
It sounds snobby of me but I know what you mean, I can't go back to 30fps now. Although frame interpolation is a happy medium, despite the annoying artefacts it produces.
I remember when I first found the setting on my (new at the time) TV. I tested it on a shot in Lord of the Rings where the camera panned up this castle. In one it was so jittery you couldn't see the image at all, and with frame interpolation on it was as smooth and as clear as a bell. So nice. That setting has been on ever since.
Just admit it. You've never actually done the distance test for yourself have you? You're just repeating what you've heard on the internet.
Please Please Please have 4K!!!
Not wasting money purchasing one without it... Not holding my breath though.
Cue more hate for 4K... or pretty much any technology Apple chooses not to adopt... I've been enjoying a 4K TV for a while now. It is stunning and even upscaled 1080p looks better than 1080p on a HD TV (Kept the old TV next to the new one for comparison). My mind goes back to when the Apple TV 2 was not 1080p... the same old arguments came out until Apple adopted it on the Apple TV 3.
Not wasting money purchasing one without it... Not holding my breath though.
Cue more hate for 4K... or pretty much any technology Apple chooses not to adopt... I've been enjoying a 4K TV for a while now. It is stunning and even upscaled 1080p looks better than 1080p on a HD TV (Kept the old TV next to the new one for comparison). My mind goes back to when the Apple TV 2 was not 1080p... the same old arguments came out until Apple adopted it on the Apple TV 3.
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Exactly. 4K is the new megapixel craze.
I think these people are not watching movies to enjoy the movies like normal people. They stare at their screen to look at the pixels.
For the record, I have a substantial library of movies and TV shows that I stream to my Apple TV using the Plex app. I do not have any of the skipping issues mentioned here, which suggests that they are caused by something other than the Apple TV. My guess would be a) slow computer, b) non-optimized video formats, and/or c) wifi issues.
Our opinions are dismissed by him as "subjective", while he himself brings up the "most people I know have ..." argument.
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Another tired, overused misplaced quote to support what Apple doesn't have for sale now. As a consumer, I would find this quote HIGHLY OFFENSIVE. If you read it at face value, he's basically saying People are too stupid to know what they want. Each time this is slung around here, are we trying to say that we (more modern, more educated, more connected) consumers are too stupid to know what we want too? I hope not.
By the way, Ford is also often quoted for saying..
"Consumers can have any color of car they want as long as it is black."
...which he clung to until consumers wanting cars of other colors voted with their wallets (to buy competitor's more colorful cars). Then, Ford came off of his stance and chose to offer cars in colors other than black. That might be another lesson from the genius of Ford that could be applicable to this kind of discussion.
Or more simply: what color car do you drive? And certainly it's a car made by Ford right?
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Same here, except my "server" is a 2009 iMac streaming over an old Airport Extreme router using 802.11ac wifi.
These skipping, pausing, stalling issues are caused by something else, most likely wifi issues or the use of sub-optimal video formats.
I doubt that. I can most certainly see the difference and I'm not even trying. That useless chart would be applicable if you're counting the pixels, not if you're watching tv. The differences in fine details are incredibly noticeable. Just like how watching the NFL on Fox and CBS introduced a huge gulf in quality. Fox was blurry at 720, CBS was crystal clear and sharp at 1080i. The same applies with 4K. Finer details come into focus. They are sharper and more realistic.
I guess people shouldn't go to movies in IMAX either, in your worlds. You clearly can't enjoy the movie when you're choosing a better picture and sound quality and paying more for it... And we're the shallow ones, from what you're inferring. Right....
Until the devices I own respond instantly to every command I will always think they need to be faster.
AppleTV is just too closed off, it seems like to me that it is just to much "we only made it to get your money" for me.
In addition, while Apple did not do consumer surveys (as confirmed by Steve himself), they sure as hell do market research and analysis. Many people do not know the difference between these two.
The UK shares the same language and similar laws yet is always behind in availability of Apple features and content.
It's a projection screen. The only limitation is finding a decent priced 4K projector. They're a bit pricey right now (~$8K to start for a "true" one). This will come down considerably once they start mass marketing single DLP chips and the like. I originally got a 720P projector for $1600 for this screen. You can a really nice 1080p 3D model from Panasonic for $1800. Throw in a nice electric tensioned screen and you're looking at $2500 or so. You could have the setup with a 720P projector for about $1200 with the screen now (and 720P doesn't look bad at all at 12 feet on a 93" type screen). Now WTF is the point in even buying a 50" TV period for movies? I have a 48" Plasma upstairs and it's good for watching TV. I don't watch movies on it unless it's a comedy and I don't want to be too far from the kitchen.
Now you get to the 80" size and you're getting closer to a movie feel, but WTF does an 80" 1080P set cost? A quick scan on Google and I'm seeing prices in the $6000-8500 range. Holy crap that's a lot for 1080p. Now you see why I went with a projector. In a dark room, it looks every bit as good as a regular set for sharpness for a given resolution and the cost is a fraction of that of a large panel TV. If someone is going to spend THAT much on an 80" TV, then just pony up and get the 100-150" electric screen and a 4K Sony VPL-VW300es 4K projector and you're going to absolutely crap your pants for the quality increase over 1080p. It'll cost around $10k give or take a thousand or so.
I'd be looking more towards 4K Blu-Ray being released early next year.