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Production of Faster Apple TV 5 Rumored to Begin in Early 2016

nt5672 said:
AppleTV is just too closed off, it seems like to me that it is just to much "we only made it to get your money" for me.
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Can you explain that? The Apple TV is now just as open as other boxes and Apple even confirmed that they would allow other content providers on it (and they have). By now there is no difference to other boxes in terms of content availability and any absent provider is only absent because they haven't gotten round to creating an app yet.
 
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freediverx said:
Same here, except my "server" is a 2009 iMac streaming over an old Airport Extreme router using 802.11ac wifi.

These skipping, pausing, stalling issues are caused by something else, most likely wifi issues or the use of sub-optimal video formats.
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Hah, exactly the same setup here. No issues with me either. Agree that there must be other causes. Apple TV with Plex for me is buttery smooth. (but I might be too far away from the screen to notice any hiccups :D)
 
If ATV 4 wasn't ready for prime time why release it. They think they are going to get us on continual semi-annual to annual hardware renewals?
 
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Have my doubts about this rumour. This would be a great way to piss off your customers who just bought the ATV4, and are supporting TV OS which has a long way to come.

If Apple were to release a ATV 5 within 6 months, I would probably sell my ATV 4 and look into an alternative solution. There are some excellent alternatives out there.

I would not expect to see 4K for another few years.
 
Jsameds said:
So what you're saying is 'because I can't have it it's pointless'. The world doesn't revolve around America...
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No, what I'm saying is that Apple did not design the Apple TV as a niche product to serve a small population of early adopters and people who think they can discern 4K resolution on a 40" TV from 15 feet away.


Jsameds said:
And you keep on quoting that distance thing and are ignoring the multiple people in this thread alone who have a 4K TV in front of them and can tell the difference between 1080 and 4K at larger distances to what that random chart says.
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There's a difference between people claiming they can tell the difference and people actually seeing the difference. A lot of people believe in UFOs, ghosts, and magical daddy figures that live in the sky. Ignorance is bliss, but Apple has never made a business of exploiting stupid, gullible people.
 
chromite said:
Roku is better.
Amazon Fire Stick is better.
Google Chromecast is better.
No 4K, no buy.

Apple TV sucks. Learn to innovate, Apple.

There we go, all further comments are conveniently summed up right here.
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I agree 100% with you I am not happy with the new Apple TV-4. The Roku 4 isn't better and the Amazon Fire Stick Too!
 
Let's be honest, we all knew at the release that Apple tv 4 was a shelf product held back due to software and the remote. Waiting on 4k, support for bluetooth keyboard and a9/10.
 
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freediverx said:
No, what I'm saying is that Apple did not design the Apple TV as a niche product to serve a small population of early adopters and people who think they can discern 4K resolution on a 40" TV from 15 feet away.


There's a difference between people claiming they can tell the difference and people actually seeing the difference. A lot of people believe in UFOs, ghosts, and magical daddy figures that live in the sky. Ignorance is bliss, but Apple has never made a business of exploiting stupid, gullible people.
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I'm sorry but you simply cannot dismiss people's claims when you have never even looked yourself, and don't tell me you have, it's quite clear that you haven't. Somehow I even doubt you've even seen a 4K TV. And now you're going on about UFOs and ghosts - talk about a strawman fallacy, lol!
 
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BuffaloTF said:
I doubt that. I can most certainly see the difference and I'm not even trying. That useless chart would be applicable if you're counting the pixels, not if you're watching tv. The differences in fine details are incredibly noticeable. Just like how watching the NFL on Fox and CBS introduced a huge gulf in quality. Fox was blurry at 720, CBS was crystal clear and sharp at 1080i. The same applies with 4K. Finer details come into focus. They are sharper and more realistic.
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The difference between 720 and 1080 is noticeable on tv screen sizes owned by millions of people. The same cannot be said for the difference between 1080 and 4k.

Current bandwidth supports widespread streaming of 1080 content. The same cannot be said for 4k content.
 
freediverx said:
There's a difference between people claiming they can tell the difference and people actually seeing the difference. A lot of people believe in UFOs, ghosts, and magical daddy figures that live in the sky. Ignorance is bliss, but Apple has never made a business of exploiting stupid, gullible people.
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I think you are missing something in this discussion. No-one is disputing the science of pixels blending at a certain distance into one another. It's basic science and we would be stupid to dismiss it. What I and most people here describe is not that we can discern the pixels at a particular distance but that we see the effect of the overall resolution increase. That is something entirely different and admittedly subjective, but there is enough anecdotal evidence and confirmations in TV reviews that 4K TVs actually provide better vision at the larger distances than those measured in your graph.
 
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freediverx said:
Most people I know own a 55-65" 1080p TV and view it from about 8 feet away, a distance from which that resolution can be appreciated. Bump it up to 4K and we'd have to either reduce the viewing distance by half, or increase the screen size to 140"+.
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It appears you didn't understand my post against taking "the chart" at face value. You might want to re-read it. For all I know "the chart" may be perfectly valid. The point was that if it supported the pre-:apple:TV 3 arguments against 1080p, why wasn't it used to bash Apple as being stupid for embracing 1080p in the "3"? Instead, it got retired for a few years as all of the anti-1080p crowd pre-:apple:TV3 embraced the new "3" fresh out of Apple.

Now, you've resurrected the chart again- updated with new numbers on the very same chart- making the very same arguments against 4K because Apple doesn't sell a 4K :apple:TV. Will you be back after Apple rolls out this fifth generation "now with 4K" to bash Apple per this very same chart for being so stupid to embrace a resolution that "no one" can see?

That's the point.

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Virtually every movie and TV show has been available for streaming in 1080p over prevailing internet connection speeds for years.
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OK, but before there was an :apple:TV3 "now with 1080p" how much 1080p :apple:TV content was available for sale in the iTunes store? If you don't know, the answer is EXACTLY the same as the answer to how much 4K :apple:TV content is available in the iTunes store before there is a 4K :apple:TV. Hardware must come first; else not $1 can be made if EVERYTHING in the iTunes store was available in 4K for an :apple:TV that is not yet in one person's home.
 
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MagnusVonMagnum said:
I'd be looking more towards 4K Blu-Ray being released early next year.
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I stopped buying physical media a long time ago. For me the convenience of digital content stored on hard drives, SSDs, and streamed online trumps marginal differences in quality available on little plastic BR discs loaded with DRM and FBI warnings. I'm never going back to buying content on physical media.
 
freediverx said:
I stopped buying physical media a long time ago. For me the convenience of digital content stored on hard drives, SSDs, and streamed online trumps marginal differences in quality available on little plastic BR discs loaded with DRM and FBI warnings. I'm never going back to buying content on physical media.
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Let me guess - you can't tell the difference between Netflix and Blu-Ray either? :rolleyes: :D
 
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Lotti said:
I call ********. When have Apple ever superseded a brand new product inside of 12 months? Click-bait trash.
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I agree... makes no sense they would have a major spec update this quickly. I could see that happening in the fall of 2016, but not before.
 
Really glad that I bought my ATV4.

News like this, would probably have made me wait. Since it is an awesome product as is, it would have been a real shame to delay the joy for a year or more.
 
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freediverx said:
The difference between 720 and 1080 is noticeable on tv screen sizes owned by millions of people. The same cannot be said for the difference between 1080 and 4k.

Current bandwidth supports widespread streaming of 1080 content. The same cannot be said for 4k content.
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Yes, it can be said. Because there's a stark difference. Edges are less jaggy, and text is clearer. It's almost like a small fog has been lifted.

Everyone keeps quoting this stupid chart. Yet the thing says as clear as day in the words that accompany it to experience the "full benefits" to watch at a certain distance.

So... What are "full benefits"?

You don't need to answer, that's rhetorical. Because the answer is: they're saying within that statement that there is a difference there, and it just becomes more noticeable as you approach it.
 
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Where do these people get this information? There's no way this is anywhere near accurate.
 
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