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Production of the iPad 3 Retina Display Remains a Challenge

Sander said:
So, executive summary: Yes, it most definitely would be a challenge.
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Why would it be a challenge for developers? It's the same screen size. Same physical size screen elements. Just more detail. Just like designing for iPhone 3GS vs iPhone 4 is just 2 bitmaps of different resolution. Same size on the screen.

Unless you meant it might be more of a challenge to get optimal frame rates while pushing the pixels around...
 
FrHa said:
I see a lot of reports saying: 'this is why Apple delayed the iPad3 until 2012.' I think they haven't delayed it whatsoever, I think their intention all along has been to release it in 2012. Especially considering how well the iPad2 is selling at the moment, and the fact the iPad2 is just opening in new countries.
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During the last quarter phone call, Apple mentioned a "product transition" that they expect to impact earnings. All the rumors to date have not revealed any product transitions that fill that requirement, except the delay of the iPad3 pushing out of the present quarter.

Onimusha370 said:
I've still got major doubts over whether we'll see a 2048x1536 iPad in early 2012. It would be very expensive for apple to use. On the other hand, what else can they upgrade? Sure, they can add an A6 and 1Gb of RAM. Maybe even a storage bump (starting at 32Gb). Increasing the video resolution of the camera's to 1080p and 720p might be an option. But even then, its still lacking as an upgrade. It'll be interesting to see whether apple make the leap to the higher res this refresh or next time round.
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Regarding the "product transition" that Apple expects to impact earnings: I would imagine that Apple wants to market the iPad3 at the current price points while bumping up memory and CPU throughput to support a doubled resolution display. Until the parts costs begin to decrease later in 2012, Apple will be selling the iPad3 closer to its costs than the iPad2.

Another thing that may affect profits is that like with the iPhone, Apple may continue to sell the iPad2 along with the iPad3, maybe even calling the iPad3 a "pro" model.

louis Fashion said:
I smell major "delays" just like the last time and the last time and the
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Perhaps. That's what comes along with chasing cutting-edge technology. However, if Apple were to continue offering the iPad2 for a while, it will take some of the pressure off the demand for the iPad3. Especially if they were to drop the older iPad's price during the transition.

In this way both the iPad2 and the iPad3 will make it vary hard for the competition tablets which are selling at razor thin margins at the present: The older iPad providing pricing pressure and the newer iPad applying untouchable specifications pressure.
 
Donka said:
Please tell me you are referring to virtual surround sound through headphones. It's like the people that say they need stereo speakers on the ipad. Why? It is designed to be used in both portrait and landscape orientation. For stereo to work you would need four speakers, one on each edge and let the ipad switch between two sets of speakers depending on orientation. Much easier to have a single speaker and leave stereo to earphones or a connected speaker system.
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I am talking about on the iPad itself NOT in headphones! Yes I realize you could accomplish that with 4 speakers and rotate with orientation. But I think Apple will come up with a more innovative way to do it than that. They could use virtual techniques like in headphones on the device itself. Heck they could even integrate sound into the screen since Apple loves to put everything inside the screen anyway lol. I dunno, but there is a for sure a better more elegant way to do it than 4 speakers! But even that would be better than now.

And don't tell me it is not necessary. The current audio situation with one speaker is NOT ideal. I don't care what you say lol! And I think Apple completely agrees with me which is why you have seen them hire people to most likely work on that exact issue!

If you are happy with it as is then you have a very low bar!

Disclaimer: I love my iPad 2 in spite of a few little refinements I want 🙂
 
Sander said:
As a developer, let me chime in. The applications we have been designing "for ages" for variable-sized displays often were designed to be windowed anyway. This meant there could simply be more stuff on screen. When you get a higher-resolution screen, your scroll bars, tool bars, window titles, and buttons take up a smaller percentage of your screen, which means you can open another tool bar or even another window.

By nature, most apps for the iPhone/iPad have been designed to run full-screen and have been carefully hand-crafted for that resolution.

Many games on PCs were designed to run full-screen too, and they often simply set your video mode to whatever they liked (or perhaps offered a few fixed choices). For modern games which are entirely vector-based it is not a big problem to render for any resolution you like (the same goes for OpenGL games on an iPad) but many games and apps on iOS have hand-drawn, bitmap graphics. This is one reason why many apps look so slick.

So, executive summary: Yes, it most definitely would be a challenge.
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I'm a developer too. 😉

Just rethink how you're doing your apps. You shouldn't be writing a static UI that is size dependant anyhow. 30 years of GUI development has taught us to make GUIs that scale right to any dimension. Use that expertise.
 
Jesus H. Christ I want a 16:10 or even 16:9 ratio......it would actually fit better in line with Apples other products 1024x768 is archaic to me...seriously it looked like crap in 06' and it still does I don't care if the device is smaller. For a 16:10 ratio which would be realistically not too wide for the ipad-esk form 1680x1050 would be a good fit....1080p content is great and I hope Apple supports it on all iOS devices just so I don't have to down convert but it is indeed overkill for a mobile device and the files sizes are going to have to be wayyyy over 2Gigs for it too look good...720p at Apples curretnt sizes you find on iTunes is already pushing it....I find 1080 movies under 4gigs start to look like crap compared to 720p. One big issue is the discrepancy between ratios...I hate black bars on my videos....Yes it will make app developers angry but come on everyone has been shifting towards widescreen format...even a 1280x800 display or 1440x900 would be good....
 
nateo200 said:
Jesus H. Christ I want a 16:10 or even 16:9 ratio......it would actually fit better in line with Apples other products 1024x768 is archaic to me...seriously it looked like crap in 06' and it still does I don't care if the device is smaller. For a 16:10 ratio which would be realistically not too wide for the ipad-esk form 1680x1050 would be a good fit....1080p content is great and I hope Apple supports it on all iOS devices just so I don't have to down convert but it is indeed overkill for a mobile device and the files sizes are going to have to be wayyyy over 2Gigs for it too look good...720p at Apples curretnt sizes you find on iTunes is already pushing it....I find 1080 movies under 4gigs start to look like crap compared to 720p. One big issue is the discrepancy between ratios...I hate black bars on my videos....Yes it will make app developers angry but come on everyone has been shifting towards widescreen format...even a 1280x800 display or 1440x900 would be good....
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The problem with going to a 16:9 (or 16:10) is that it would be horrible for most websites and documents. You would have to scroll down all the time, plus it looks terrible in portrait. I like the 4:3 ratio on the current iPad, and don't watch near enough video on it to care about the black bars.

I do of course realize that other people have different needs, but I think apple is wise to stick to the current form factor.
 
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MacFly123 said:
I am talking about on the iPad itself NOT in headphones! Yes I realize you could accomplish that with 4 speakers and rotate with orientation. But I think Apple will come up with a more innovative way to do it than that. They could use virtual techniques like in headphones on the device itself. Heck they could even integrate sound into the screen since Apple loves to put everything inside the screen anyway lol. I dunno, but there is a for sure a better more elegant way to do it than 4 speakers! But even that would be better than now.

And don't tell me it is not necessary. The current audio situation with one speaker is NOT ideal. I don't care what you say lol! And I think Apple completely agrees with me which is why you have seen them hire people to most likely work on that exact issue!

If you are happy with it as is then you have a very low bar!

Disclaimer: I love my iPad 2 in spite of a few little refinements I want 🙂
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I'm not saying I am happy with it but I'm not unhappy either. If I want great sound then I will use a speaker system or headphones. Otherwise, the single mono speaker is adequate for more tasks. It is almost a pointless exercise trying to get true hifi quality from such a small enclosure - simply a case of physics will not allow. It's also the reason why the people who buy large flat screen TVs also get a sound receiver and surround sound speaker set up. The speakers in such a confined, thin cabinet are never going to deliver great audio, just something adequate to satisfy a casual TV experience.
 
Donka said:
I'm not saying I am happy with it but I'm not unhappy either. If I want great sound then I will use a speaker system or headphones. Otherwise, the single mono speaker is adequate for more tasks. It is almost a pointless exercise trying to get true hifi quality from such a small enclosure - simply a case of physics will not allow. It's also the reason why the people who buy large flat screen TVs also get a sound receiver and surround sound speaker set up. The speakers in such a confined, thin cabinet are never going to deliver great audio, just something adequate to satisfy a casual TV experience.
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So what are you arguing exactly? That being somewhat satisfied justifies not improving user experience?
 
davedude said:
So what are you arguing exactly? That being somewhat satisfied justifies not improving user experience?
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I'm saying I would be all for improving audio quality if at all possible. I just don't see how you can physically do this with the current design. Provided they use good audio decoding methods and quality components then I'm happy for them to concentrate on other areas of the device like higher res screen, longer battery life etc.
 
I <3 the fact that Apple is pushing these LCD manufacturers so hard to produce these high-res screens.

The great thing about all this is because Apple's LCD order purchase is potentially so HUGE, LCD manufacturers are just going googoo-gaga to make this work, even with all the failures.

Pushing the boundaries of technology, I <3 it!
 
Donka said:
I'm not saying I am happy with it but I'm not unhappy either. If I want great sound then I will use a speaker system or headphones. Otherwise, the single mono speaker is adequate for more tasks. It is almost a pointless exercise trying to get true hifi quality from such a small enclosure - simply a case of physics will not allow. It's also the reason why the people who buy large flat screen TVs also get a sound receiver and surround sound speaker set up. The speakers in such a confined, thin cabinet are never going to deliver great audio, just something adequate to satisfy a casual TV experience.
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I agree with you. I just want something improved. Something in-between the two! It would have a substantial benefit for gaming and movies and various other things. So improvement is not unneeded!
 
Production of the iPad 3 Retina Display Remains a Challenge

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DaREdBaRoN said:
The problem with going to a 16:9 (or 16:10) is that it would be horrible for most websites and documents. You would have to scroll down all the time, plus it looks terrible in portrait. I like the 4:3 ratio on the current iPad, and don't watch near enough video on it to care about the black bars.

I do of course realize that other people have different needs, but I think apple is wise to stick to the current form factor.
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I tried the 16:10 ratio of the Asus Transformer and I feel it's crap.. I just don't feel like it's natural at all it's simply too long...
 
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