ProMotion on iPhone - is it possible?

[theredensign]

Hi all,

First and foremost, I’d like to make clear that this isn’t another iPhone X bashing topic.

Instead, I’d like to talk about something which seems to have been overlooked by a lot of people, and it’s actually the sole reason why I’ve decided not to upgrade to the iPhone X. I was very eager as I only recently had to give up my iPhone 5 due to the battery expanding, and so this was to be another long term investment for me.

However...there’s no ProMotion. Given that Apple are asking for £1,348 (256 GB including AppleCare) for the X, I was thoroughly disappointed and borderline angry that Apple has the audacity to sell a supposedly all new phone at such a high markup, but without this technology. Having recently bought the new iPad 10.5”, I feel that ProMotion makes the experience feel completely different and, when reverting to any iPhone, it instantly looks juddery and outdated. I often find myself avoiding my iPhone for this reason!

My question is this. To those who are technologically minded and understand the complications and/or implications of introducing ProMotion to the iPhone, is it likely to ever happen? Or rather, can it even happen? If the answer is no, how else can Apple match the experience of the iPad Pro’s refresh rate?

Finally, as a matter of curiosity, is the above a game changer for you? So far (from reading these forums), I seem to be the only one to base my decision not to upgrade on this issue, particularly when paired with the unjustifiable price hike.

Many thanks,

Kind regards,
Jack.

 

[QueenTyrone]

Hi all,

First and foremost, I’d like to make clear that this isn’t another iPhone X bashing topic.

Instead, I’d like to talk about something which seems to have been overlooked by a lot of people, and it’s actually the sole reason why I’ve decided not to upgrade to the iPhone X. I was very eager as I only recently had to give up my iPhone 5 due to the battery expanding, and so this was to be another long term investment for me.

However...there’s no ProMotion. Given that Apple are asking for £1,348 (256 GB including AppleCare) for the X, I was thoroughly disappointed and borderline angry that Apple has the audacity to sell a supposedly all new phone at such a high markup, but without this technology. Having recently bought the new iPad 10.5”, I feel that ProMotion makes the experience feel completely different and, when reverting to any iPhone, it instantly looks juddery and outdated. I often find myself avoiding my iPhone for this reason!

My question is this. To those who are technologically minded and understand the complications and/or implications of introducing ProMotion to the iPhone, is it likely to ever happen? Or rather, can it even happen? If the answer is no, how else can Apple match the experience of the iPad Pro’s refresh rate?

Finally, as a matter of curiosity, is the above a game changer for you? So far (from reading these forums), I seem to be the only one to base my decision not to upgrade on this issue, particularly when paired with the unjustifiable price hike.

Many thanks,

Kind regards,
Jack.

You're paying for:
OLED, which costs more than their LCD
Surgical stainless steel, that is an extremely expensive metal that is hard to work with. Normal steel is way more expensive than aluminum and this has been known(yet people forget stainless steel is stupid expensive). Please give me a watch made with stainless steel that is high quality for sub 500.(Ill wait)
Storage shortage makes the price Skyrocket. Promotion can easily be put, it's just a 120hz screen. Normally those are expensive and maybe apple wants there to be a selling point with the ipad.

 

[Nozuka]

it was the same with true tone.. i guess it will come eventually

 

[theredensign]

You're paying for:
OLED, which costs more than their LCD
Surgical stainless steel, that is an extremely expensive metal that is hard to work with. Normal steel is way more expensive than aluminum and this has been known(yet people forget stainless steel is stupid expensive). Please give me a watch made with stainless steel that is high quality for sub 500.(Ill wait)
Storage shortage makes the price Skyrocket. Promotion can easily be put, it's just a 120hz screen. Normally those are expensive and maybe apple wants there to be a selling point with the ipad.

As much as I like Apple products and have raved about them for years now, I really do feel that the price is hideously excessive. Whilst I appreciate that they can’t sell their products for nothing, I can’t see how the iPhone X can be almost £500 more expensive than a Samsung Galaxy S8 when including Apple and Samsung Care. Whilst I’d never consider the latter and I’ve no doubt that the X will be a more polished experience (with the exception of the notch), you could buy an iPhone SE 128 GB model with AppleCare for that price difference!

As I said originally, if Apple had included ProMotion I would have very grudgingly accepted the price hike. However, the difference between 60 and 120 Hz is so apparent to me that it’s criminal to expect customers to pay more for a lesser experience (in respect of the refresh rate) on their latest device.

 

[Nozuka]

criminal?
people have been fine without it for 10 years. i don't think any phone has it yet.
and no one cared about it, until the iPad had it...

 

[borntrouble]

As much as I like Apple products and have raved about them for years now, I really do feel that the price is hideously excessive. Whilst I appreciate that they can’t sell their products for nothing, I can’t see how the iPhone X can be almost £500 more expensive than a Samsung Galaxy S8 when including Apple and Samsung Care. Whilst I’d never consider the latter and I’ve no doubt that the X will be a more polished experience (with the exception of the notch), you could buy an iPhone SE 128 GB model with AppleCare for that price difference!

As I said originally, if Apple had included ProMotion I would have very grudgingly accepted the price hike. However, the difference between 60 and 120 Hz is so apparent to me that it’s criminal to expect customers to pay more for a lesser experience (in respect of the refresh rate) on their latest device.

It will be implemented. They just need to save that for next year's presentation. Easy as that.

 

[theredensign]

criminal?
people have been fine without it for 10 years. i don't think any phone has it yet.
and no one cared about it, until the iPad had it...

I understand your point as like I say, I’ve been a continous iPhone and iPad user for over five years now. But, whilst I’ve gone along with ‘Apple tax’ as I think the ecosystem is the way technology should be, I can’t understand why Apple would sell an inferior display in their latest flagship product.

Whilst this might be a somewhat humorous analogy, it’s like Mercedes offering heated seats in their Sprinter vans, but not their latest E Class saloon. The iPhone is supposed to be the flagship product across all iOS devices, as that’s how the average consumer sees it. To expect an absolute minimum of £999 for the privaledge just isn’t justifiable, even for a hardcore Apple user like myself.

It will be implemented. They just need to save that for next year's presentation. Easy as that.

I hope so, as that’s what I’m waiting another year for!

 

[borntrouble]

I hope so, as that’s what I’m waiting another year for!

Same here, buddy.

 

[nfl46]

Hey. Hey. Apple has to give you a reason to buy the XS next year.

 

[gadget123]

Anybody got any videos of Pro motion in action to see what people mean?

 

[QueenTyrone]

As much as I like Apple products and have raved about them for years now, I really do feel that the price is hideously excessive. Whilst I appreciate that they can’t sell their products for nothing, I can’t see how the iPhone X can be almost £500 more expensive than a Samsung Galaxy S8 when including Apple and Samsung Care. Whilst I’d never consider the latter and I’ve no doubt that the X will be a more polished experience (with the exception of the notch), you could buy an iPhone SE 128 GB model with AppleCare for that price difference!

As I said originally, if Apple had included ProMotion I would have very grudgingly accepted the price hike. However, the difference between 60 and 120 Hz is so apparent to me that it’s criminal to expect customers to pay more for a lesser experience (in respect of the refresh rate) on their latest device.

The price to make iPhone x is half of their selling price. Which is better than 240 buck production cost for the 949.00 iphone. So you're not getting as ripped off. We will not get pro-motion. You don't want it...you are asking for another ~200.00 increase easily. Besides Korean ips monitors and that one dell Monitor how many 120-144hz monitors do you see sub 500? Not many unless they're on sale.

Only 1-2 OEM have used 120hz displays before so since the tech would still be new to find a producer would be hard AND overly expensive. Plus just like the ipad pro has 2nd Gen finger print sensor and no 3D touch but has the  pencil and pro-motion separates it from the iPhone and vice versa.

 

[recoil80]

ProMotion looks something great for an S cycle update of the phone in 2018.

 

[Nozuka]

The apple pen also greatly profits from ProMotion, which is most likely the biggest reason it was added.

But hey, the X Plus next year might get Pen support... let's hope the smaller one will at least get ProMotion too, even if it doesn't get the pen. But i wouldn't count on it, with their upselling strategy..

 

[theredensign]

Anybody got any videos of Pro motion in action to see what people mean?

It's best to view it in person, but this slow motion video shows the difference between 60 HZ (standard display) and 120 Hz (ProMotion): www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaD0CZm9J-g

The price to make iPhone x is half of their selling price. Which is better than 240 buck production cost for the 949.00 iphone. So you're not getting as ripped off. We will not get pro-motion. You don't want it...you are asking for another ~200.00 increase easily. Besides Korean ips monitors and that one dell Monitor how many 120-144hz monitors do you see sub 500? Not many unless they're on sale.

Only 1-2 OEM have used 120hz displays before so since the tech would still be new to find a producer would be hard AND overly expensive. Plus just like the ipad pro has 2nd Gen finger print sensor and no 3D touch but has the  pencil and pro-motion separates it from the iPhone and vice versa.

Regarding your point about the profit margin, if that's true, I accept the reason for the higher price.

Regarding the implementation of 120 Hz, what is the reason for such a price increase over 60 Hz? What additional or new technology allows for and supports a 120 Hz display? This is a genuine question, not a sarcastic dig!

If Apple can't or won't add ProMotion because it would incur a much greater cost, this leaves a very odd 'hole' in the Apple cross-experience. As far as I am aware, it will be the first time where two new and high end iOS devices (considering that the iPad Pro 10.5" is only 3 months old) will differentiate noticeably in terms of the screen user experience and apparent fluidity during general use.

 

[Smokes95]

You're paying for:
OLED, which costs more than their LCD
Surgical stainless steel, that is an extremely expensive metal that is hard to work with. Normal steel is way more expensive than aluminum and this has been known(yet people forget stainless steel is stupid expensive). Please give me a watch made with stainless steel that is high quality for sub 500.(Ill wait)
Storage shortage makes the price Skyrocket. Promotion can easily be put, it's just a 120hz screen. Normally those are expensive and maybe apple wants there to be a selling point with the ipad.

You know that the Iphone X's OLED display is made by Samsung right? I guess you also know that samsung ditched LCD screens when they made the Galaxy S6 where the started using Oled and AMOLED Led's. AMOLED is OLED which is bendabled allowing the edge.

The iphone X is not expensive because of materials and components. It's because of the brand. The phone could be build and sold for half the price and still make a profit.

It lacks half the features that the newest samsung phones have and the screen is something that we had in 2015. It's not even full 1440p. So no. The screen is not that high tech. It's pretty old tech.

 

[Nozuka]

It lacks half the features that the newest samsung phones have and the screen is something that we had in 2015. It's not even full 1440p. So no. The screen is not that high tech. It's pretty old tech.

the resolution says nothing about the technology being used. the resolution was specifically chosen by apple to allow for efficient and clean upscaling.

 

[IGotOne]

criminal?
people have been fine without it for 10 years. i don't think any phone has it yet.
and no one cared about it, until the iPad had it...

Yes. "Criminal"

Apple execs (and design crew for that matter) should be jailed for a minimum of a year so they can "think about the atrocity" that was not including ProMotion on an device that hasn't even been released yet.

It's a crime against humanity, and while it might not be quite as bad a genocide (close... but trying to keep it real), it's a potent reminder how close we remain to savage animals...:

60 instead of 120 on my phone??? For shame Apple. FOR SHAME

 

[Smokes95]

the resolution says nothing about the technology being used. the resolution was specifically chosen by apple to allow for efficient and clean upscaling.

So? There is still no reason why it would not be a 1440p display. It's a 16:9 resolution. So upscaling from 7210p or 1080p would not be a problem. They claim the OLED to be new, but it's been on the market for years. Just as wireless charging and many of the "new" features.

 

[nostresshere]

The price to make iPhone x is half of their selling price. Which is better than 240 buck production cost for the 949.00 iphone. So you're not getting as ripped off. ...

It does not matter if it costs $50 to make or $900 to make - the price is the price is the price. If people will pay it, then they are not getting ripped off.

 

[cleebrown93]

I just picked up an iPad Pro 10.5” today after work and WOW, I am blown away how good ProMotion is. Makes my shiny new 8+ feel slow.

 

[Technarchy]

I'm sure it's possible and will appear in future Apple products.

Touch ID
Retina Display
Force Touch/3D Touch
True Tone
Taptic Engine

Apple tech usually starts with one device and spreads to others the next year. The question is if it will be in the iPhone or Mac first.

 

[44267547]

I just picked up an iPad Pro 10.5” today after work and WOW, I am blown away how good ProMotion is. Makes my shiny new 8+ feel slow.

I also think having the 120 HZ refresh rate on a larger display like the iPad, really allows the user to see the advantages of the Promotion display. On an iPhone, I would have to test that in person to see the differences.

 

[Smokes95]

It does not matter if it costs $50 to make or $900 to make - the price is the price is the price. If people will pay it, then they are not getting ripped off.

It's literally when people are paying that price that they ARE getting ripped off.

Apple know they can rip people off so they don't see a reason not to.

I also think having the 120 HZ refresh rate on a larger display like the iPad, really allows the user to see the advantages of the Promotion display. On an iPhone, I would have to test that in person to see the differences.

 

[44267547]

Apple know they can rip people off so they don't see a reason not to.

Except only the consumer makes the decision of how they spend their money. Apple can charge whatever they want for a product.

 

[Smokes95]

Except only the consumer makes the decision of how they spend their money. Apple can charge whatever they want for a product.

Yes i agree with you. Apple can charge what they want. The question in this discussion is. Do you get what you pay for? If you pay for design,yes. If you pay for quality and features,no.


If i sold bottled water with lemon for $50 a bottle and some guy guys 2 bottles from me. Even if he feels happy with the purchase, i still ripped him off. Because those bottles were not worth more than $0.50.


Of cause some people don't care about getting ripped off and are happy with their purchase. But just because someone is happy with their purchase, doesn't mean that they did not get ripped off. Because that is the definition of "getting ripped off"