Proposed Law Against Apple's 'Walled Garden' Software Approach Sparks Fears of iPhone Ban in Italy

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera [Google Translate] published a headline today that translates to "the bill that could ban the iPhone in Italy."


    The bill in question, Senate Act 2484, is aimed at ensuring Italians have open access to software, content, and services. The portion of the bill potentially relevant to Apple essentially says that users should have the right to download any software, whether proprietary or open source, on any platform.

    An excerpt from Article Four of the loosely translated bill:
    It's well known that iOS is a walled garden, in which apps can only be distributed through the App Store, and only if developers adhere to Apple's guidelines. The only way to download apps outside of Apple's parameters is by jailbreaking, which is in violation of Apple's end-user agreement.

    Naturally, there are some concerns about how the iPhone and other devices could be affected if the bill is approved, although the prospect of any Apple product being outright banned in Italy seems highly unlikely.

    The bill was introduced last year by Stefano Quintarelli, an Italian entrepreneur and member of the Scelta Civica political party in Italy. The bill was approved by the Chamber of Deputies in July 2016, and it now must be approved by the Senate of the Republic, within Italy's parliamentary government.

    (Thanks, Macitynet and iSpazio!)

    Article Link: Proposed Law Against Apple's 'Walled Garden' Software Approach Sparks Fears of iPhone Ban in Italy
  2. nepalisherpa macrumors 68020


    Aug 15, 2011
    Doesn't side-loading count as a way to download apps to your device?
  3. Whimseh macrumors member

    May 24, 2010
    And here we have another example of politicians not understanding how anything works.
  4. BittenApple macrumors 6502a


    Nov 29, 2008
  5. cmwade77 macrumors 65816

    Nov 18, 2008
    All iPhone would need to do is use the Android approach: You can download anything from the official app store, if you download from other stores, a warning appears saying something to the effect that this is from an untrusted source, if you install this things may not work properly. They could even add in a clause that says if you need warranty service you have to uninstall all apps from untrusted sources first.

    This would actually be a reasonable balance between the two positions.
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    Not really, Android allows for it and has found a way to do so as safely as possible, so it CAN be done.
  6. coolfactor macrumors 68040

    Jul 29, 2002
    Vancouver, BC CANADA
    Well, we've seen this before, and it worked out really well.

    The sheer quantity of apps being removed from the App Store recently is proof that there are a lot of shady developers out there that don't care about end users, but just want to make a quick million. The "walled garden" filters much of that junk. It's nice inside here.
  7. thisisnotmyname macrumors 68000


    Oct 22, 2014
    known but velocity indeterminate
    I am completely against this. I like the walled garden. Occasionally there's something I'd like to do but can't but that's rare and (despite some notable exception cases) I prefer the safeguards of app store only. If Apple has to build a process to load apps untethered I would expect that to be exploited for malware.
  8. macfacts macrumors 68030


    Oct 7, 2012
    Yes it does count but iPhones can't side load apps.
  9. AJ5790 macrumors 6502

    Jun 1, 2016
    All you have to have is Xcode. It's a free download from Apple. So I guess you also have to have a mac, but it is possible to sideload.
  10. sinsin07 macrumors 68040

    Mar 28, 2009
    If it comes to pass no one is saying you need to leave the walled garden.
    If an alternate App Store for iOS does come to fruition, just don't use it.
  11. FoxBJK macrumors newbie


    Oct 1, 2007
    Chicago, IL
    Seems like all Apple would have to do is allow you an easy way to install apps from other sources. As they move the iPad closer and closer to being a computer, I see fewer and fewer reasons to keeping the devices restricted only to Apple-approved apps.

    They could go the Android route, block third-party installs by default, warn users a dozen times, and then allow it if the user wants it. It's not like installing apps from other sources is a new concept. Apple has just chosen not to allow it.
  12. DotCom2 macrumors 68040

    Feb 22, 2009
    Fools...nothing like opening the doors to contra-ban :rolleyes:
  13. Loismustdie1 macrumors member


    Jun 6, 2015
    I’ve noticed over the past
    As an IT manager, this would be a complete nightmare. The last thing I want is for people to bring their iOS devices to me and bitch about poor performance or worse a compromised device. Apple would never make such a compromise.

    Apple is slowly opening up their ecosystem in a way that makes sense to Apple. The next step would be to allow users to assign default apps in iOS. If a user really needs to download a program outside of the App Store, they should learn how to sideload apps.
  14. genovelle macrumors 6502a

    May 8, 2008
    Their method is complete unsafe as it requires non technical people to understand technical stuff. 90% can't and half of the rest just won't. That's why malware is ao prevelent on android.
    Tech heads lure non techs to use it but they put them at risk.
  15. mox358 macrumors 6502


    May 22, 2002
    Hopefully this fails. I don't want iPhones to end up like Android and have to deal with anti-virus apps and risk getting malware.

    What is so wrong with Apple's approach? It's not like there isn't a platform that offers open everything if you want to put up with the downsides...
  16. FoxBJK macrumors newbie


    Oct 1, 2007
    Chicago, IL
    Malware is prevalent on the Google Play store, not just external apps. This setting isn't as much of a contributor to Android's security problems as you might think.
  17. zorinlynx macrumors 603


    May 31, 2007
    Florida, USA
    The thing is, you are free to stay inside the walled garden. If Apple allowed side loading they would probably make users go far out of their way to do it. Which is fine; if us geeks want to play around with unvetted software and we are aware of the risks, why not?

    Make it difficult enough to the average non-techie won't bother, but those of us who want to side load still can. This is already sort of the case with Xcode free provisioning, but they need to make the certificates last longer than a week.
  18. H2SO4 macrumors 601

    Nov 4, 2008
    As an IT manager you’d have given out managed devices. Don't be so melodramatic.
  19. joueboy macrumors 65816

    Jul 3, 2008
    I have a solution for this. Apple should just sell an Android phone in Italy and slap some Apple branding on it. Proble solved!
  20. toph2toast macrumors 6502a

    Feb 24, 2011
    To steal a line from Jurassic Park "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should."

    We know it can be done, but that doesn't mean it should. It's one of the main things that separate Android from iOS.

    It seems they also think you should be allowed to load proprietary apps on the device of your choice... Does this mean they want Apple to have all of their in-house apps available to anyone with any phone... that's not going to happen either.
  21. ThisIsNotMe Suspended

    Aug 11, 2008
    Its not the job of a politician to 'understand how it works'.
    The job of a politician is to set policy/enact law and have government employees/regulators and the private sector understand how 'things work' and how to implement the policy.
  22. shamino macrumors 68040


    Jan 7, 2004
    Purcellville, VA
    So what is Italy going to do? Sue Apple? If Apple decides to stop selling phones in Italy as a result of this, who are the people going to blame? And if they do, what's to stop them from simply ordering a phone from France or some other EU nation?

    For that matter, wouldn't such a law violate EU law? Can they ban a product that is legal in the rest of the EU? Won't they have to get the rest of Europe to buy-in to this ban for it to be legal?

    Can be done, but definitely not safely. Have you seen the sheer volume of malware that infects Android phones all the time? Apple made their decision for a very good reason.

    That having been said, there are already ways to get apps in from other sources. Apple already supports an "enterprise deployment" mechanism where you can install a corporate site certificate that will let it install apps signed and distributed by that corporation. There are already third-party "app stores" that exploit this loophole. And people have been known to get infected with malware from apps on those stores as well.
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    Ah yes. It is the obligation of every citizen to serve the government, no matter how unreasonable that government may be. Not the other way around. It is very refreshing to see someone willing to admit to having such an opinion instead of trying to obscure it with double-speak.
  23. grjj macrumors member

    Apr 5, 2014
    From the "article 4" translation... "Users have the right to find online, in a format suitable for the desired technological platform..."

    Do you recall when iPhone was first release that all apps were web based? There was some pretty cool stuff since iOS was designed to run web apps. iOS is already compliant with the proposed law in that respect.

    "Users have the right to uninstall software and remove content that is not of their interest to their devices, unless such software is required to comply with mandatory standards or are essential for the operation or security of the device..."
    Yup, iOS is good here too, you can uninstall many of the bundled apps as of 10.2 or 10.3 (I forget which added that). Only those that are essential to the operation of the device/network can not be removed (Phone, Settings, etc.). You can argue that Health, Wallet, Safari, etc. aren't essential and currently can't be removed but it is an argument and not clear.

    So I don't see how this law affects iOS and seems to be click-bait. I really think it's targeted at other vendors who force you to have "Mega Solitaire Crunch" or "Verizon backup manager" installed whether you want it or not.
  24. sinsin07 macrumors 68040

    Mar 28, 2009
    You either have limited experience or have no idea what your talking about.
    Some companies IT departments allow BYOD and have corporate apps that employees use on those devices.
    Some executives in these companies expect and want the tech department to look at other issues with their personsal devices.
    I have worked at couple of companies like this in NYC and I'm talking companies with staff greater than 200 thousand employees worldwide.
    Of course this is ancdeotal.

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