Ps3 Cell vs i7 Intel Quad Core Xeon 2.93ghz

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  1. waloshin macrumors 68040

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    In a gaming forum I was reading that on average 90% of the forum users really think that the cell processor in the Ps3 would beat a Intel c2quad!

    I highly doubt it, as an Intel c2q would cost anywhere around 250-1000.00
    The ps3 costs what, 399.99!

    - Who here agrees that the Intel i7 quad core running at 2.93ghz with 4 hardware cores, and 4 virtual hyper threaded cores has alot more power then the Ps3 cell?
     
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  3. trule macrumors 6502

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    For raw number crunching I would say Cell, it has more real cores and specialised memory access.

    I imagine someone will run Linpac on them both at some stage and then you will know
     
  4. waloshin thread starter macrumors 68040

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    That's a hard one to answer as their both made for different things! How about general pc power, for running say Linux, when and if ever all spus get used in linux.
     
  5. DoFoT9 macrumors P6

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    well there you go! you just answered your own question!!

    you basically cannot compare the two because they are for different fields. the cell is for intense mathematical calculations (somewhat like a GPU i would guess) and the Xeon is made for everyday use and speed.

    therefore you cannot compare them in a similar field, if you tried to use the cell as a everyday computer it would suck. if you tried to use the Xeon in a gaming rig it would suck too.

    EDIT: for general CPU power, i would say the Xeon.. for mathematical operations i would say the Cell
     
  6. Dagless macrumors Core

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    And then try running Linux on a PS3 (of course the CPU isn't the only bottleneck). From what I've seen no game on the PS3 looks to outclass the 360 in terms of processing capabilities, and thats a 3-core CPU.

    An i7 will blow pretty much anything out of the water right now*, especially a games console from 2006.

    *In general tasks and gaming.
     
  7. gnasher729 macrumors P6

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    The cell processors are damned fast and absolute hell to write code for. If you had some complex and time consuming calculation, and it took me a week to write reasonably good code for a MacPro for it, then I could probably write code that does it faster on a cell processor - if you give me six months time to do it.
     
  8. trule macrumors 6502

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    Running linpack...

    CELL from PS3 around 75G Flop (http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=36058&page=6)

    i7 from 2009 around 36 GFlop


    Its impressive at what it does well, even if the original architecture was designed around 2003
     
  9. Rapmastac1 macrumors 65816

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    The very sucky thing about the cell processors in the PS3 is they aren't very good for playing games - aka random memory access. They are processors that are much better for streaming media off of drives.

    The 360's processors are far better for gaming and thus the 360 seems like a better games machine right now, on top of the fact it's much easier to write code for.

    An i7 would do much better for general tasks and would kick butt for gaming, but the Cell Processor is much better for HD content and general media handling.
     
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    If you had the development chops along with the time and money, I'm sure you could make the cell very quick for certain needs (scientific, specific video encoding, etc).

    However, a lot of third-party game developers have complained about it over the years.

    "Anyone making a game, if you're going to make it for both, just lead on the PS3 because if it works on the PS3, it'll work on 360," he said. "We had to play catch-up on the PS3 because of the memory constraints and how it renders; how it processes is just different. And it's harder on the PS3."

    And the best quote ever:

    "We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that (developers) want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is, what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?" explained Hirai."

    http://news.cnet.com/sony-ps3-is-hard-to-develop-for-on-purpose/

    Even Apple looked into the Cell, but ultimately Jobs said it was crap for general computing.

    "Mr. Kutaragi tried to interest Mr. Jobs in adopting the Cell chip, which is being developed by I.B.M. for use in the coming PlayStation 3, in exchange for access to certain Sony technologies. Mr. Jobs rejected the idea, telling Mr. Kutaragi that he was disappointed with the Cell design, which he believes will be even less effective than the PowerPC."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/11/technology/11apple.html?_r=1&oref=login

    At NAB, a company announced that they will introducing an h.264 video encoder for professionals that runs proprietary software on the PS3.

    http://www.techshowwire.com/2009/04...ion-3-at-broadcast-international’s-nab-booth/
     
  11. steviem macrumors 68020

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    I would totally spring for a Cell h.264 encoder card for my hack semi pro, but as a regular cpu, its not too awesome.
     
  12. twoodcc macrumors P6

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    interesting.

    so are there any pcs running on a cell? that a consumer can buy (and afford)?
     
  13. waloshin thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Play Station 3
     
  14. DoFoT9 macrumors P6

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    pcs = personal computer.

    he wants to know if you can buy a Cell processor and use it in an everyday computer.
     
  15. twoodcc macrumors P6

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    yes, thank you ;)
     
  16. DoFoT9 macrumors P6

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    thats ok, i like helping people understand things :p
     
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  18. ChessMyLife macrumors newbie

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    Hi everyone

    I play computer chess, and I’m using a very good machine for this propose, I’m using ASUS mother board with Intel Core i7 920 running at 2.66 GHz, and it’s doing good with chess engines calculations, but recently I heard that the cell processor is stronger than i7 I have which left me in a chock, once again I was twisted with the issue of what you exactly want to use the cell processor for??!! I want to use it for chess engines calculations (such as GUI Interfaces - i.e Rybka 3 on Fritz 11), but I don't know if it worth the time to install yellow dog Linux on my ps3 then install Win XP on Linux then install my chess program Fritz 11 and after that trying to install the engine inside Fritz11, its really not an easy thing but is it worth the effort to do it ?? My ps3 is 40 gigs, and I’m willing to format it if its worth the time, after all my big question is :


    IS THER ANY WAY I CAN RUN A CHESS GUI INTERFACE SUCH AS Fritz 11 ALONG WITH RYBKA ENGINES ON PS3 ? IF YES, DOES IT SUPPORT 64 BIT TECHNOLOGY OR NOT??

    thanx
     

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