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PSP2! aka NGP

Between this and the 3DS, I'm excited. For the past half a decade, Sony and Nintendo did nothing except make their systems smaller. Then everybody got bored and started playing with their phones and the future of mobile gaming became
- birds smashing into pigs
- drawing lines
- ports of 20 year old console games
- Gameloft rip offs

Now that tech is being pushed instead of recycled, I think we're back on track.
 
Sony is giving us the best of both worlds - physical media and downloads.

Lately, I prefer the latter. Less hassle and you can't lose it unless the card gets stolen or erased. And even then, my account has a record that I own those games. Now I just hope Sony is putting GORILLA GLASS on it and not the glass Apple put on their iPhone 4.

I am not going to trash Nintendo 3DS here like I do on other forums because I hate Nintendo fanboy hypocrisy. I like both companies and will get both handhelds. Obviously, the 3DS will probably be the best-selling gadget of 2011 surpassing even the next iPhone because of its Feb/March headstart. But for any true gamer, if say you had a PS3/360 along with a Wii, I say the true gamer uses their PS3/360 more while the Wii is only reserved for parties and some exercise. Nintendo has alot of gimmicks and I hate motion controlling, and anything 3D to be honest with you. 3D in movies is already a waste of extra dough. 3D can never replace better storytelling. That's the thing I expect from owning both the 3DS and NGP just like when I had a DS and PSP at the same time. I will always go back to the Sony product more because it can do more. Nintendo handhelds is still a generation behind in specs and never quite as versatile as Sony.

Now going back to the NGP, I love everything about it. It is now #1 on my wishlist. My original PSP is my favorite gaming handheld of all-time, so of course I am excited about its successor. I never understood the hate for the PSP just because it didn't sell as well as the cheaper DS. The original PSP (1000) was gorgeous, comfortable to hold, versatile, etc. I want this first model of the NGP because Sony tends to cheapen out with their later versions (ie PSP/PS3 Slims). Seems like the first models of the PSP and PS3 had the best build quality. Only thing that irks me is I invested so much on MS Pro Duo and now have to go back to SD. I don't mind as long as my PS downloads are transferrable and SD is cheaper.

For anyone worried about the cost, well don't be surprised anymore. A 7 inch Samsung tablet goes for $500 and probably is underpowered. But if you think of cell phones and carriers, they are overpriced alot too. We are forced to pay $2000K for two year contracts and tacked on data charges when some of us have FREE WiFi at home. A portable or home gaming console can last us 5-6 years compared to the every 2 years with a phone w/ contracts.

And here is a tip to off-set the potential high cost - eBay. I expect lines around the block for this Sony product just like their PS3. There hasn't been any big launch days for a new gaming device since Nov 2006. The PS3 campouts started days before launch. The $600 price tag didn't stop them since they wanted to sell it for at least a grand on eBay.
 
peskaa said:
See, I'm not convinced....
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All of the hardware in this thing is stuff you would see in a very high-end phone (CPU, GPU, 3G, GPS, Wifi, OLED screen, etc). Granted, we will not have this until later this year, but even then it will still be very high-end gear. But just like a very high-end phone containing those types of high-end parts, if you try to buy one with no contract, they are almost always over $500, at least, if not $600-700. The only way that I can see Sony getting this under $300 is if they subsidize it for its 3G connection.

If they do that, then sure, $200-300 is possible, just like any other high-end phone hardware. Without that, I just honestly can't see ALL of that hardware being sold for anything less than $400, without Sony taking a huge loss on it. And after working so hard to get the PS3 back to profitability these last couple years, the last thing they want to do (one would hope) is go right back to taking a loss on hardware. Does the general public REALLY want to carry around yet another device to play games and media on, when they already have that with Android/iPhone/etc? Especially if that 2nd device is either very expensive, or requires another monthly charge?

I don't know how to answer to those things, but it will certainly be interesting come E3 to see how Sony does.
 
SevenInchScrew said:
All of the hardware in this thing is stuff you would see in a very high-end phone (CPU, GPU, 3G, GPS, Wifi, OLED screen, etc). Granted, we will not have this until later this year, but even then it will still be very high-end gear. But just like a very high-end phone containing those types of high-end parts, if you try to buy one with no contract, they are almost always over $500, at least, if not $600-700. The only way that I can see Sony getting this under $300 is if they subsidize it for its 3G connection.

If they do that, then sure, $200-300 is possible, just like any other high-end phone hardware. Without that, I just honestly can't see ALL of that hardware being sold for anything less than $400, without Sony taking a huge loss on it. And after working so hard to get the PS3 back to profitability these last couple years, the last thing they want to do (one would hope) is go right back to taking a loss on hardware. Does the general public REALLY want to carry around yet another device to play games and media on, when they already have that with Android/iPhone/etc? Especially if that 2nd device is either very expensive, or requires another monthly charge?

I don't know how to answer to those things, but it will certainly be interesting come E3 to see how Sony does.
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that's why i guess the NGP will also have a phone component: after all the spec sheet already includes a microphone, the system software possible based on android, it has a 3G connection, it already uses 3G for facebook, etc. why not included the phone function ?
 
Just read Sony have said "it won't cost $599".... Oh and "wifi only models are also on track"...

I still suspect we are talking $399 wifi and $449 wifi & 3G.

That's still quite some distance from $599.
 
takao said:
. why not included the phone function ?
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I think that might kill whatever small chance it has of a semi-decent battery life. Also, I think it's way too big for a phone.

Speaking of size...looks like this is considerably bigger than the original psp. Way too large for your avg pocket, I would assume. Doesn't bother me much, as I am not an on-the-go-anywhere gamer, but to some people it might be a concern.
 
and yet again two different models/SKUs from the start .. if you consider how much they are pushing the area and community stuff in their presentations it's mind boggeling ... just like microsoft with their idiotic arcade version which ended up being the "my first one broke i buy the cheap one and plug the HD in" version
 
Taustin Powers said:
Speaking of size...looks like this is considerably bigger than the original psp. Way too large for your avg pocket, I would assume.
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An iPhone 4 is roughly the size of just the screen of the NGP, for rough size comparisons.
 
SevenInchScrew said:
Click for HUGE-size (in more ways than one)

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An iPhone 4 is roughly the size of just the screen of the NGP, for rough size comparisons.
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The original PSP was fine and this doesn't look prohibitively large. Basically, I think the class of people who thought PSP was ok for pockets but PSP2 isn't is rather small. People are starting to carry 5, 7 and 10 inch tablets around. They'll find a way to accommodate this.
 
I had no idea the 3DS was actually smaller than the DSi! I hear the lower display is a bit bigger than the DSi's too.

The PSP2 isn't that much bigger than a PSP1, so that's not bad. Never planned on carrying one in my pocket anyways :D. Those analogue sticks are screaming out for a hard carry case though...
 
chrmjenkins said:
The original PSP was fine and this doesn't look prohibitively large.
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I disagree. It looks very large, and not something you just throw in a pocket to play later. The DS is small enough that it can do that, but something this big can't, in my opinion. And unless a large amount of that size is being occupied with battery, you won't be able to play it much on the go either.

I think this new PSP looks really great, and I'm very excited to see what types of games developers can come up with to utilize all that new hardware. But for me, because of its size, the only portability it would have would be between my couch and my bed. But I already have game consoles in both of those locations, so the experiences on this new PSP are going to have to be quite unique for me to get one. PS3 games made "Portable" and on a smaller screen won't cut it for me.
Dagless said:
Those analogue sticks are screaming out for a hard carry case though...
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Adding EVEN MORE size to it in the process. The DS has the nice side-effect of basically folding up into its own built-in protective case not in use.
 
SevenInchScrew said:
I disagree. It looks very large, and not something you just throw in a pocket to play later. The DS is small enough that it can do that, but something this big can't, in my opinion. And unless a large amount of that size is being occupied with battery, you won't be able to play it much on the go either.

I think this new PSP looks really great, and I'm very excited to see what types of games developers can come up with to utilize all that new hardware. But for me, because of its size, the only portability it would have would be between my couch and my bed. But I already have game consoles in both of those locations, so the experiences on this new PSP are going to have to be quite unique for me to get one. PS3 games made "Portable" and on a smaller screen won't cut it for me.
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Then you're missing my point. You don't agree that the original PSP was pocketable, so of course you'll think the same about the psp2. I'm saying that the group of people who think the psp isn't too big for a pocket but the psp2 is is not significant enough to deter purchases.

I'll admit that most of the attraction for me is the emulation possibilities once it's jailbroken. Full speed N64, maybe even dreamcast emulation.
 
chrmjenkins said:
Then you're missing my point.
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No, I get your point, I just disagree with it. Missing it and disagreeing with it are two different things. The group of people who pocket their PSP is an unknown, and not worth speculating about. You say it isn't big, I think it is.
 
SevenInchScrew said:
No, I get your point, I just disagree with it. Missing it and disagreeing with it are two different things. The group of people who pocket their PSP is an unknown, and not worth speculating about. You say it isn't big, I think it is.
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No, I'm not speculating about the group that pockets their psps. I'm speculating about the group who pocket their psps but would not do the same with the new psp2. My argument is that the psp is sufficiently large so as to not deter people from pocketing when the device size increases slightly.
 
I do hope Sony port PS2 games to the PSP2 in the way they brought PS1 games to the PSP. There are a few I'd love to play but I'd rather not buy a PS2 (still quite expensive here).

chrmjenkins said:
I'll admit that most of the attraction for me is the emulation possibilities once it's jailbroken. Full speed N64, maybe even dreamcast emulation.
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I imagine that'll be a long time off. After the whole PSP problem Sony have done quite well at locking systems down. It took them 5 years to crack the PS3, and a long time to crack the PSP-3000 and Go. I can imagine this taking some years to hack as well.
 
Dagless said:
I imagine that'll be a long time off. After the whole PSP problem Sony have done quite well at locking systems down. It took them 5 years to crack the PS3, and a long time to crack the PSP-3000 and Go. I can imagine this taking some years to hack as well.
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I still have no doubts about it happening. It will be especially interesting if it has some sort of android basis and some of the mock ups seem to suggest.
 
chrmjenkins said:
No, I'm not speculating about the group that pockets their psps. I'm speculating about the group who pocket their psps but would not do the same with the new psp2. My argument is that the psp is sufficiently large so as to not deter people from pocketing when the device size increases slightly.
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That still seems like you're speculating about a group that no one knows the size. I'm sure you are right, and there are people out there who find the current PSP to be an acceptable size. And I'm sure that some of those people will not be dismayed by the larger size of this new one. But how large that group is, and how willing they are to buy, is unknown. So when you say...
chrmjenkins said:
They'll find a way to accommodate this.
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I'm not ready to make those assumptions just yet. Especially when we're 10-12 months away from launch, have yet to get a price, don't know battery life, nor have we even seen any real games. All I'm really saying is, let's give it a little time before we start speaking in certainties.
 
SevenInchScrew said:
That still seems like you're speculating about a group that no one knows the size. I'm sure you are right, and there are people out there who find the current PSP to be an acceptable size. And I'm sure that some of those people will not be dismayed by the larger size of this new one. But how large that group is, and how willing they are to buy, is unknown. So when you say...

I'm not ready to make those assumptions just yet. Especially when we're 10-12 months away from launch, have yet to get a price, don't know battery life, nor have we even seen any real games. All I'm really saying is, let's give it a little time before we start speaking in certainties.
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I'm only talking about device size. Price, battery life and software are all very real concerns that may drive away otherwise willing buyers.
 
Dagless said:
I do hope Sony port PS2 games to the PSP2 in the way they brought PS1 games to the PSP. There are a few I'd love to play but I'd rather not buy a PS2 (still quite expensive here).
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the two thumbsticks great feature for ports though sony has pulled their own Game Boy Advance: for straight ports they are missing 2 (shoulder) buttons
 
takao said:
the two thumbsticks great feature for ports though sony has pulled their own Game Boy Advance: for straight ports they are missing 2 (shoulder) buttons
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Not a problem for the PS1 games in the PSN store. Most games use R2 and L2 as ancillary buttons.
 
Brien said:
If anything, I think we may see the next Xbox/PS4 in the $1000 price range.
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I doubt that. Portable computers, for example, can easily be more expensive than desktops because of the additional engineering costs of making things smaller, power efficient, etc.,.


Lethal
 
Dagless said:
Given their Rev A track record I'll probably wait till the PSP2-2000 and wait for that library to build up and the price to drop. I don't trust SCEE's PSN support.
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just to say (and regarding your previous post) the pricing and dates for PSN releases are completely down to the developers.

They've said many times that developers decide how much a game is on the PSN (just like the App store), for example Mass Effect 2 was a ridiculous £48.99 on the PSN and Sony even try to advise developers to reduce their prices but it's totally out of their control.
 
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