My desktop pc sits on my... well... desk. i have my router and modem there too. I have a cord called ethernet. it plugs into the back of my pc. Whats the point of a desktop with WiFi. Most desktops sit in one location and stay there.
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My desktop pc sits on my... well... desk. i have my router and modem there too. I have a cord called ethernet. it plugs into the back of my pc. Whats the point of a desktop with WiFi. Most desktops sit in one location and stay there.
Your monitor only has 1920x1080 resolution. The spec to beat was 2560x1440.
Your monitor only has 56.25% of the pixels.
Many of us know that you can find similar hardware specs that show a PC is priced less. But there are other examples that show a Mac is priced less, more easily found around the Mac Pro. In the end it is impossible to compare prices of a Mac and a PC with the exact same hardware because there are always going to be differences. You can't do "exact same". So, one must then choose to ignore certain differences in order to find some basis for comparison. The problem is what you choose to ignore is very personal and so each person has a different take on "similar" hardware. Plus, I think it's a good idea to avoid getting mired down "in the numbers". There are also qualitative factors to consider and they are always much more difficult to compare.
So? Not everybody can wire ethernet in the house or has their router located in the same room as their computer. I am one such example. Heck, some houses have more than one computer and cannot wire ethernet everywhere without the cabling being an obvious eyesore (these people tend to live in houses with finished walls).
Wireless for some is a great option and thats why they build them into desktops. Your example lacked that which makes it unequal to the Mac option. That and several other features. You cannot shift the goalposts by saying Doesnt apply to me because that doesnt scale.
No. Last I heard they had about half a mill or less. Apple knows this, hence the injunction - so that Psystar cannot escape the law - they even stated that as part of the injunction motion that no matter what they ask, Apple probably wont get. Not to mention this payment isnt due until all the appeals are done (which can take a couple of years at worst).
This agreement is separate and unrelated to the injunction that Apple filed and has yet to be heard until the 14th.
No, it's a ridiculous comparison. The Xeon processor alone costs about $1400 while a Core i7 870 costs about $500. That's a $900 difference, not including the more expensive surrounding hardware for a Xeon. If you don't need a Xeon, that's fine, but comparing a single-slot Core i7 machine to a dual-slot Xeon machine is irrelevant.
Then the comparable Dell machine is not worth it for you either. Again, I get that Apple does not make precisely the hardware you want. If that means a Mac is a non-starter for you, then fine, but there's no need to try to make it seem like the Mac Pro is overpriced when, in fact, it's a pretty damn good value (I don't know if that was your intention, but that's how it came off).
No they're not. They have very different parts and, thus, very different price points. This is not a matter of opinion. Different class of CPU, different number of CPU slots, different chipset, different drive capacity, different number of PCI slots = not similar at all.
Look, you're hardly alone in wishing that Apple would make a medium tower Mac but that's probably not going to happen. For the time being anyway, it's simply not an option. Maybe it should be an option, maybe it would be a really cool option, but it's not an option.
Why is a Mac Mini or an iMac totally out of the question for you?
That's great for you. My router is far away from my iMac and several rooms away from my girlfriend's. Wireless is cheaper and more convenient than having ethernet cable installed all over my apartment. I would think most people with more than one computer in their house or apartment are in a similar situation.
Well, the i7 870 doesn't use QPI, it uses a DMI link. It also has a dual-channel memory controller and cannot use ECC memory.
The Bloomfield-based Xeon in the single-socket Mac Pros do have the QPI link (two, although the second one isn't utilized), triple channel memory controller, and ECC memory.
Granted, I'd be willing to wager that for many of the purchasers of the single-socket Mac Pros, if their usage isn't bandwidth-intensive, then the only thing they'll likely truly take advantage of is the ECC memory. And for even many of them, that's likely not necessary.
Here's hoping Apple's next solo-socket Mac Pro will actually be a X58-based i7/i9 system.
I was comparing Apple's single slot Xeon and Dell's single slot Core i7. I still stand by that comparison in terms of clock for clock performance. Sure the Xeon is engineered better, but "under the mouse", can you tell a difference? They get basically the same cinebench numbers.
It's just my frustration with Apple boiling over. Their dual quads are very competitive in price but very expensive, as they are everywhere at every PC manufacturer.
But their single quad Xeons just don't make sense in the market when the core i7 is out. Drive bays and extra PCI slots won't make C4d render quicker.
3d rendering and VFX. The software (and training at schools) is expensive, I have less to spend on a machine after the software costs. Mac Mini's are simply not an option, my MacBook Pro is faster. The iMac is tempting, but the cost starts at $2200 for a Core i7. That's why I'm giving Apple until the nest Mac Pro refresh. One last chance.
While I'm not disagreeing with you on the costs, the performance differences between a single socket Xeon-based system and a i7 Bloomfield X58 system (or even a i7 Lynnfield system) are basically non existent (especially in regards to a i7 Bloomfield system vs. the similarly-spec'd Gainestown system). A case can be made though when comparing it to the i7 Lynnfields, but really only when it comes to bandwidth-demanding usage. Otherwise, Lynnfield holds up very well to Nehalem-based Bloomfields/Gainestown systems. There's no real way to justify Apple's usage of Gainestown in a single-socket Mac Pro. For the dual-socket systems though, sure.
It's a good value given its class of components. It's not a good value when looking for an expandable headless Mac and not needing the performance of a dual-socket system. There's absolutely no reason Apple couldn't replace its single-socket Gainestown Mac Pros with an X58 Bloomfield system.
In fact, given Apple's desires for largest profit margins, I'm kinda surprised they don't. The profit margins on a X58 Bloomfield-system would be much higher if they kept it at the same cost as the Gainestown single socket Mac Pro.
I think he was more comparing performance. In terms of expandability, you're absolutely right (except for in regards to CPU slots). The single socket Mac Pro, as far as I can recall, does not have a second socket that is unoccupied. Thus, in that regard, it's only real selling benefits over a Lynnfield system are the QPI link (which has shown to make almost no difference in performance tests vs. Lynnfield's DMI implementation), the additional memory channel (performance difference only seen for bandwidth-intensive situations), and ECC memory (which is arguably its single best "advantage").
I'd actually like to see just how often Mac Pro users actually take advantage of the expandability of their systems. I've seen where music professionals have, and also where IT techs have added storage adapters, but otherwise, it seems the greatest benefit most have taken advantage of is being able to upgrade the GPU.
Because users want to be able to have an affordable system that can be easily upgraded/expanded upon? And to be quite honest, the Mac mini (and entry model iMac) aren't exactly pushing the performance threshold with the current products. What happens in a year when the performance gap is even greater? At least with a headless tower you could add expansion cards to offer additional options (USB 3.0, SATA 6GB/s, etc) or replace the GPU.
Except that the injunction IS part of the lawsuit. An injunction is in the prayer for relief in the complaint (and I think I remember hearing there is a motion pending in light of the MSJ order). The HEARING on the injunction is what will be held in two weeks. A motion for summary judgment is what was already ruled on by the court (in Apple's favor).
Boring. Where's the news that Verizon ranks as the #1 company for cell phones in customer satisfaction; AT&T ties with Sprint as last? Now that's a story!
Or the Apple Insider story today that says it's predicted that the AT&T stranglehold on the iPhone will come to an end, will go to T-Mobile, too, in 2010.
Or the Apple Insider story today that says it's predicted that the AT&T stranglehold on the iPhone will come to an end, will go to T-Mobile, too, in 2010.
It's not a story if everyone assumes it to be the case. Now, if AT&T had GOOD results on the survey, THAT would be news.
The clincher -
Despite AT&T's low ranking :
"The Consumer Reports survey found that iPhone owners are willing to put up
with a creaky network just to have the device: The survey found that 98
percent of iPhone owners liked their phones enough to buy it again, despite
the sub-par ratings for AT&T."
To be willing to tolerate a sub-par network for the sake of using an iPhone speaks volumes, in regard to customer satisfaction.
Its part of the lawsuit but a separate filing. This settlement does not cover the injunction filing which is still going on. Psystar did make some arguments related to the injunction filing, but what Apple agreed to and what was filed today has no bearing on the injunction hearing in 2 weeks.
As you said, this was all about the summary judgement.
Why are you threadjacking with a totally irrelevant posting? If you find this discussion boring move to another one or create your own thread. Its poor manners to threadjack
I submitted it as a tip, like this website offers. Not picked up to become a thread. This Psystar battle ping-pongs along. Like the song goes "you can't keep a good man down"... now if you think the "good man" is Apple or a clone store depends on who you ask.
edit: I forgot to weigh in. My 2 cents: Since Apple wants to only release its software on its hardware it sells, I guess good for them for taking them to the carpets on this. Now if they'd only consider legally licensing their softwear to work on other hardwares, they could get more people using their stuff.
I can assure you that dell latitudes do not fall in to the same categories as their consumer lines. I would go as far as saying the build quality is probably better than most of the apple laptops. They aren't selling these to grandma who doesn't know any better.
Yeah, true, but I'm guilty of possibly drinking the Kool-Aid and seeing flyers for $2000.00 HPs (at a Future Shop/Best Buy) and thinking to myself: "For that price, I might as well get an Apple and be happy! lol" Perhaps the world needs an attitude adjustment in realizing that a $2000+ PC could give a MacBook a good run for its money. That not EVERY Mac currently made (even the low-end White MacBook Pro) are ALWAYS lightyears elite ahead of even the best PC.
Now that said, I still think of Psystar, I think "a homemade junky computer using an elite OS". The again, I've never researched Psy and I'm sure they aren't using shells and hardware from 1986 and putting OSX in it illegally. So maybe they put on a pretty good show... albeit illegally.