He may be wrong on the lifespan but he's dead on in the resale value department. You might as well plan on giving that Dell to charity when you're finished with it.
The only PC I've ever seen with a decent resale value is the ThinkPad.
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Psystar Agrees to Pay Nearly $2.7 Million in Settlement With Apple
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He may be wrong on the lifespan but he's dead on in the resale value department. You might as well plan on giving that Dell to charity when you're finished with it.
The only PC I've ever seen with a decent resale value is the ThinkPad.
I'll give it a shot:
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English
Studio XPS 8000, Intel® Core™ i5-750 processor(8MB Cache, 2.66GHz)
4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1066MHz - 4 DIMMs
1TB - 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
Blu-ray Disc (BD) Burner (Writes to DVD/CD/BD)
24" Dell ST2410 Full High Definition Monitor
1024MB nVidia GeForce GT220
Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
Dell AX210 Stereo Speakers
Dell Studio Consumer Multimedia Keyboard
Dell Studio Optical Mouse
Dell 1525 Wireless-N PCIe Card
$1,498
The monitor doesn't match, but I would get a blu-ray burner, a massive 1 GB video card, 7.1 audio, etc. I even threw in el cheapo dell speakers, even though I have really nice ones at home.
Lose the Blu Ray burner and the speakers: $1279.
Lose the monitor (because I have two very nice ones at home), blu-ray burner, and speakers: $979
The base iMac in Core i5 starts at $1999. No Blu ray, weaker graphics card. it's a shame Apple can't fill this void in their market. I don't know about you guys, but that $1000 would cover a major software purchase for me.
If Apple can get me a tower like that for $1499, I'll buy it. I'll pay a premium, but not too much of one.
How true... every Dell I've owned has been pretty much worthless after a year.
I still have a Vostro 400 series tower and a Latitude laptop I got last year (Best Buy blowout for $450).
Both run great and are trouble free, but they aren't worth jacksh*t in resale value.
YIPPEE!! 
Way, way, way too little money and only part way to the correct resolution, but it's a start to shutting the greedy Psystar down completely!
Way, way, way too little money and only part way to the correct resolution, but it's a start to shutting the greedy Psystar down completely!
It seems to me that at $2.7 million, Psystar is getting off easy. They (most likely) get to stay in business, they've gained a ton more publicity than they ever would have if thay hadn't taken this route, and if they get to keep selling RebelEFI they probably have a solid market ahead for hackintosh-ready systems.
There's no way they get to stay in business. Not only do they have no $$, they will soon be enjoined from selling anything.
How exactly are the going to stay in business when their entire business strategy is in violating Apple's copyrights? Not to mention that their is that nasty injunction hearing in a couple of weeks that Psystar is going to have trouble stopping.
Note that Apple asked for just $60,000 for copyright infringement, but for $2,500 per DMCA violation, which was per Psystar computer sold. But each copy of RebelEFI sold is also a DMCA violation, and will cost $2,500 per sale again.
Cue the conspiracy theory...
This whole case just proves that some "larger" company was behind the whole thing. Psystar was just a front. Where else are they getting all this cash from? Why go to such lengths, costly lengths, to drag out this case for 2 years, when you've only sold 768 units?
This whole case just proves that some "larger" company was behind the whole thing. Psystar was just a front. Where else are they getting all this cash from? Why go to such lengths, costly lengths, to drag out this case for 2 years, when you've only sold 768 units?
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Yeah, that's a pretty good deal - I guess Windows7 lets an Application have more than 2 gigs of ram? Nice.
Yeah, that's a pretty good deal - I guess Windows7 lets an Application have more than 2 gigs of ram? Nice.
Perhaps I wasn't clear. $1000 (when comparing i5 systems Studio XPS 800 vs iMac) is nothing to scoff at. If I can save $1000 by buying a PC, I will heavily consider it. I'd be willing to buy a similarly spec'd mac at a $500 premium over the example PC that would save me a grand. I love mac, but paying a $1000 premium is ludicrous. it's more than that if you compare the a similarly specced machine to Apple's single quad core tower.
Dell said:
Apple Mac Pro said:
$2000 difference.
And yet, with dual quad core Xeons, Apple's base model is cheaper by $70 when compared to dell. That's a big void to fill with an iMac.
So: I'll see your facepalm, and raise you a double facepalm!
Regardless, Psystar ain't gonna offer anything after Apple gets done violating their corpse.
"Why you shouldn't steal", that's very interesting, so, anybody who's against stealing from Apple , never downloaded an illegal mp3, never used a cracked app, ... because that's also called stealing
This may be hard for you to believe. I, like the vast majority of computer owners, are honest and have not stolen music files, programs or anything else.
I find it interesting and sad that you assume just the opposite.
On Psystar's website, it shows all their pre-loaded Mac OS X systems "out of stock". Now THATS funny...
Perhaps I wasn't clear. $1000 (when comparing i5 systems Studio XPS 800 vs iMac) is nothing to scoff at. If I can save $1000 by buying a PC, I will heavily consider it. I'd be willing to buy a similarly spec'd mac at a $500 premium over the example PC that would save me a grand. I love mac, but paying a $1000 premium is ludicrous. it's more than that if you compare the example machine to Apple's single quad core tower.
$2000 difference.
So: I'll see your facepalm, and raise you a double facepalm!
Regardless, Psystar ain't gonna offer anything after Apple gets done violating their corpse.
This entire discussion is false on its face. This argument assumes that there IS a choice. I don't understand why it is so hard for some people to understand that there IS NO choice here. If you want to own a Mac, which is a premium product offered at a premium price, you have to be willing to pay for it. If you don't want to pay the price, you buy something else (like a MS PC or Linux machine). Just because Apple chooses not to offer its products at low prices does not give anyone a "moral or legal right" to buy a bootleg product in defiance of Apple's intellectual property rights.
If you wanted a Mercedes Coup but could not afford the $75K to buy it, that does not give you the right to steal one since Mercedes choice to sell at premium prices is somehow repugnant to you. You have to go out and buy an auto that you can afford.
No one is ENTITLED to a Mac.
That's a completely arbitrary comparison. You need to at least compare machines with the same CPU, same number of CPU sockets and same basic form factor (i.e. number of drive bays, slots, etc.). If you spec out a Dell workstation that's at least roughly comparable to the Mac Pro, you end up with something like this:
And I don't think the Dell even comes with a wireless card or bluetooth (and I forgot to add a DVD burner). I get your point that there's a big jump between a Mac Mini and a Mac Pro and that an iMac doesn't make sense if you don't want a monitor but, come on, comparing completely different machines is just meaningless.Dell T7500 said:
Apple will probably hammer Psystar in the next court case pending.I mean really they have to,it is the only way they can scare off new copycat psystar startups,or maybe theoretically a bigger hitter who is willing to try it on after picking through the judgements for loopholes.
Imagine what Apples market share would be like if they did not have exclusivity of their OS anymore.
Imagine what Apples market share would be like if they did not have exclusivity of their OS anymore.
Nonsense! One can certainly compare a core i7 2.93 with a single quad Xeon 2.93. They are both Nehalem processors operating at the same clock speed, both support turbo. The Xeon is dual capable, but since I'm comparing single processor systems, it's as fair as the Apple store would let me get.
The only real differences between them are form factor (dell is smaller, but they're both towers), and the mac pro has more PCI slots and I think greater internal hard drive capacity (4 vs 2).
The rest is pretty much dead even, and it's all the stuff I use: hard drive, ram slots, number of processors, clockspeed, ram speed, etc. The question is, is an aluminum case, extra hard drive connections, and extra PCI slots worth $2000? Not for me- not right now.
Are they really that different besides the case and connections?
If Apple offered a Core i7 tower, I wouldn't have to look elsewhere. Apple has until the next MacPro revision to get something more affordable to market before I give up and purchase something else.
What really amazes me is that Apple is unbelievably competitive, and even cheaper, than almost all PC makers when it comes to dual quad Xeons. But $3000 for a tower? I won't buy that from Dell or Apple. Too many things can go wrong with a computer to risk spending that much again. I got burned pretty bad on my expensive as hell dual G5 and I learned my lesson.
My dell dimension 4550 is from March 2003. and its still used everyday. It runs well. My Inspiron 8000, still works fine. my neighbors Latitude D610 from 2003 still works fine. he uses it for his presentations now though. At least dell applys the correct amount of thermal past unlike apple. Myfriends imac is still running great too, but hers is from 2006. In MY EXPERIENCE, dells are great affordable machines.
Okay. The iMac is an exception. I really think the Mac mini is over priced though. I also think the macBook is over priced. And All I want my computer to have is a fast Core 2 Duo, Wireless B,G. I used my brother MB, and I didn't notice any difference in speed. He has N and so does our new router. I don't care for a web cam either. I just think some of their computers like the Mac mini, MB and MBP are a rip off spec wise. As of now i use less than 100Gb of my HD. the mac Book pros don't have anything pro about them anymore. unless you spend 2K.