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I'm beginning to wonder exactly what Dell hardware is made of that causes it to fail so much. :confused:

Now that I think of it I never heard of someone who had a Dell that failed. Makes sense since all computers are made from the same parts.
 
Now that I think of it I never heard of someone who had a Dell that failed. Makes sense since all computers are made from the same parts.

Everyone had laptops in my law school classes. Dells failed every week. Every month an HP died. No one had macs because the test software wasn't certified for bootcamp.
 
Everyone had laptops in my law school classes. Dells failed every week. Every month an HP died. No one had macs because the test software wasn't certified for bootcamp.

Some how I don't trust comments like that on this site. At most someone probably dropped their computer and you saw it as if 5 Dells and an HP died. Just doesn't add up to real life. If that was true those companies wouldn't be in business.
 
The casing, internal cooling fans, keyboard, hinges, optical drive drawer, screen, etc.

I fell sorry for all those Dell owners, their laptops are going to die in less than a year. I guess I got lucky with my 6 year old Dell, only reason I don't have it now is because I sold it. Beautiful screen it had.
 
I fell sorry for all those Dell owners, their laptops are going to die in less than a year. I guess I got lucky with my 6 year old Dell, only reason I don't have it now is because I sold it. Beautiful screen it had.

I've got three in the graveyard over the past seven years.

I suppose the lifespan of 2.33 years is well above average.

Screens were ok, not great, by any means.
 
I understand that people like you attack anyone you deem "overly supportive" of Apple, but you'll just have to accept that we don't all have a copy of your little rulebook that specifies what is and is not permissable (sort of like a religion).

In answer to your original question, yes, Psystar is obviously a threat. Imagine that you had created something valuable enough that other people wanted to steal it. A few isolated thefts and legal imitations happen. No big deal, you think, that's just the cost of doing business. Then someone sets up a company whose entire business plan revolves around stealing your creation. Now you have a problem that actually needs to be dealt with. That's where Apple is at with Psystar.

You said you wondered how many people had ever even heard of Psystar. Probably very few potential customers have heard of them but you can be damn sure everyone in or interesting in getting into the PC manufacturing business is following this pretty closely. Psystar is hardly the first company to come up with the idea of selling Mac clones. If Psystar pulls it off, lots of others will follow.

Hell, it's a great business plan: you don't have to develop any hardware or software. You just buy commodity PC parts, slap OS X on the machines and undercut Apple's prices. And undercutting Apple would be child's play because they're covering all the R&D costs. Anyway, my point is that Mac cloning is a very attractive business and you would be hard pressed to make that case that there would not be a flood of Psystars if Apple does nothing.

Yes yes yes , shame on Psystar.

..........Great product they have though :p
 
Well, it’s pretty much been halted on the mac - MS isn’t porting it to Intel - no real point anyway - and is PC only nowadays. MS didn’t mind it - their business is selling Windows licenses to whoever will buy them.

Like I said, Microsoft told Virtual PC users to change to Boot Camp or Parallels or Fusion. Why bother remaking Virtual PC for Intel Macs when third-parties made their own solutions?
 
Add a similar sized stand-alone display - the Dell will still be way more money. (and no not one of their crappy $199 panels either - that's not comparable to the LCD panel in the iMac).

If you don't like the iMac fine. But compare Apple's prices on laptops, macpro. You will find they are very competitive. (As long as you don't intentionally ignore the camera, backlit keyboard, wireless-n, memory capacity, screen resolution, hard drive size) It doesn't matter if you don't need those features - Apple's products have them and other manufacturers' products that DO include all these same features are just as much or more than Apple products.

It's also stupid to compare any companies' pre-built computers to ones you build yourself. It's just not a valid comparison unless you are trying to prove hand-built computers are cheaper which everyone already knows and doesn't dispute.

:lol: This is what I was talking about when I said militant.
 
Like I said, Microsoft told Virtual PC users to change to Boot Camp or Parallels or Fusion. Why bother remaking Virtual PC for Intel Macs when third-parties made their own solutions?

Right. They bought it right before the Intel switch and I am betting they did it to integrate the technologies into Windows - they rarely if ever acquire products that are for the Mac and keep them around. MS had good reason to discontinue the Mac version as you said, other products were much better and emulation was a backwards step...
 
I can understand all the different points being made,

but really,

Is Psystar REALLY that big of a threat ?


There's someone who clearly doesn't have a clue what's going on. Psystar was, is, and always will be an irrelevant joke. This never had anything to do with Psystar and what made it clear that Psystar was just a front. Psystar never had anything to bring to the party. Nothing. Had Psystar won, it would have been out of business within months as every computer maker in the world with distribution networks and the ability to offer warranties began selling OSX equipped PCs. Some big fish with an existing competitive advantage in the space obviously was behind Psystar (dell, hp, lenova, sony--who knows). Grow up.
 
Some how I don't trust comments like that on this site. At most someone probably dropped their computer and you saw it as if 5 Dells and an HP died. Just doesn't add up to real life. If that was true those companies wouldn't be in business.


Dell is in business because of its distribution model, and hurting now for the same reason. Dell used to be the best represented computer on university campuses. Now it's probably macs. Dells constantly fail, and not from dropping (grad students more careful, on average, than undergrads), but university computer centers have pretty good service departments with quick turn around for this very reason.
 
For Apple to be incensed that someone is selling a computer that can utilize OSX, while Apple builds all of theirs to boot Windows and even supplies a program to do so, BOOT CAMP. That's what hypocrisy is. Look it up.

Not at all. Apple probably bought a retail copy of Windows, sent the license to its lawyers, and the lawyers said that a retail copy of Windows can be installed on any single computer, and that there are no restrictions that it can't be installed as a second operating system etc. And someone at Apple probably called Microsoft to make sure that they agree with installation of Windows on a Macintosh.

Now if Microsoft disagreed with Apple making Macs Windows compatible via Bootcamp, then surely Microsoft would have complained to Apple, and either Apple would have stopped it, or the companies would be in court right now. Neither happened.

The difference, which may be hard to understand for you, is that Microsoft wants to sell Windows and let people use it on any computer, while Apple does not want people to use MacOS X on a non-Apple computer. Since Microsoft _wants_ its customers to use Windows on a Macintosh, it is perfectly fine for Apple to actively support this. Actually, if Apple actively prevented Windows from running on a Macintosh, that could be taken as being anti-competitive.
 
But technically your post is off-topic too since it doesn't say something like mine does, i.e. go psystar.
No, however I was not the one who initiated the action - I was attempting to recitify the situation - at that point the regular flow of operation was interrupted - and unlike the poster I was already involved in prior relevant conversation. I was a contributor. I was not threadjacking. My interruption was consisting of two posts after which I resumed normal discussion. The intent of my post was to eliminate the threadjack so that normal communication could resume and not be derailed.

I am not going to address this further - lets either keep this thread relevant before a moderator has to clean the thread. All my posting in this thread have been related to the subject, or reminders to "stay on topic". That is not threadjacking.
 
There's someone who clearly doesn't have a clue what's going on. Psystar was, is, and always will be an irrelevant joke. This never had anything to do with Psystar and what made it clear that Psystar was just a front. Psystar never had anything to bring to the party. Nothing. Had Psystar won, it would have been out of business within months as every computer maker in the world with distribution networks and the ability to offer warranties began selling OSX equipped PCs. Some big fish with an existing competitive advantage in the space obviously was behind Psystar (dell, hp, lenova, sony--who knows). Grow up.

Do you have any proof of this? After all, you are making some mighty big accusations here. So far there has been zero evidence that Psystar has been funded by any company (which would be rather stupid to fund a company that is based on copyright violations and licensing - something that PC makers are very careful about) whatsoever. For all we know, their source of money is the same as any entrepreneur would have. Unless of course you can find some proof of this. You do have proof right? Becasue of you don't we are back to the null hypothesis of Psystar being founded by arrogant jerks who think the law doesn't apply to them. That isn't hard to believe based on their arguments. Don't assume a conspiracy when incompetence fits just as well.

It doesn't matter how successful Psystar would or would not have been - they are a business and therefore a direct threat. Profiting illegally off of other people's Intellectual property is wrong and should be stopped.
 
Some how I don't trust comments like that on this site. At most someone probably dropped their computer and you saw it as if 5 Dells and an HP died. Just doesn't add up to real life. If that was true those companies wouldn't be in business.

At my office my Dell laptop has been replaced 4 times in 3 years. 3 failed hard drives and a failed NIC. Dell is crap.
 
Sure you do.

Sorry to disappoint you - it's true.

Two logic board failures, and a screen failure. Two of the three had non functional optical drives due to faulty drawers.

On a brighter note, my Mac Pismo (1999) runs as well as it did 10 years ago - even upgraded the processor to a G4.

I still use it, from time to time.
 
Ah, I didn't quite get where you were coming from. If the single quad Mac Pro uses a different motherboard anyway (something I didn't realize earlier), why not offer a core i7 option? Yep, I'm on board. It makes sense.

Now what do I have to do to get you working at Apple, and get that machine to be a reality? ;)

But it sounds like you don't really care about the expandability of the Mac Pro(?). If that's correct, the quad core iMac seems like a great choice. Is the problem that you don't want a monitor or is the $2200 simply too much dough?

Yeah, I don't really want that giant monitor, either. ;)

The iMac (a very nice piece of kit when you take that gorgeous monitor into account) is simply too expensive for the cinebench numbers it can crank out. Spending $2200 plus tax (that's $2332 in my state) on a core i7 2.8 is getting a little insane.

OTOH - when sticking with apple, the iMac gives you very little reason to buy a Mac Pro (single).


Not really. They are all of the same mindset, and Apple (and customers) is not. You can see it right here in this thread about Apple computers. (like PeterQVenkman) IT boys want to fiddle around, mess stuff up, fix it, etc. Both in hardware and software. Macs have been designed away from that from day 1.

This is why IT guys have always been so anti-Apple, it gives them little to do.

I'd just like Apple to offer an affordable tower, I don't care about fiddling with a computer, nor do I work in IT. I want my next computer to be a mac, economic realities aren't letting that happen with their current lineup.
 
At my office my Dell laptop has been replaced 4 times in 3 years. 3 failed hard drives and a failed NIC. Dell is crap.

We've had one of our 3 iMacs in our office go bad 4 times in two years. New monitor (twice), new mother board (twice).

The other two? One of them needed a new hard drive, the other has been perfect.

Computers fail. Even macs. My G5 lasted exactly one week longer than my warranty, but my soccer ball G4 iMac (no applecare) still works with no problems!

It's all a crapshoot.
 
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