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Psystar Demos 'Open Computer' on Video

FoxyKaye said:
So, basically, everything will work fine until you actually try to run Software Update or, gods forbid, want to re-install.

I'm wondering why Apple hasn't pounced all over these folks like a polar bear on a baby seal?
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They never really disrupt the osx86 community either.. i havent heard of any lawsuits or cease and desist... correct if wrong.
 
Rendwich said:
There are numerous options for backing-up and restoring hard-disk images from a CD or DVD. Some are even free.

Make a backup of your OS installation when it arrives. If it breaks, restore from the backup.

A tiny bit of calm reasoning can avoid so much pointless panic.
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Who is panicing? Personally I don't care.

Besides, have you backed up and restored from backup on a hackintosh? It may work but if the back up is bad, if you have no choice but to archive and install or clean reinstall, good luck to you. I haven't restored from backup on a hackintosh, and besides, I'm talking about reinstalling. They're talking about reinstalling.

I have 2 (soon to be 3) perfectly good name brand Apple computers and have no intention of buying one of these when I CAN make one better than they can and probably cheaper if I ever get the bug to do so. (which I have in the past)
 
WannaBMW3 said:
Hmmm.....wonder if Apple legal department is all over this???
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:rolleyes:

It always cracks me up that someone here rushes in to invoke Apple's legal team. Whatever.

Apple should compete with these guys, give us a reason not to buy from Psystar, instead of trying to shut them down. As soon as some third-party reviews start to show up, I will be buying one myself. If Apple won't sell me an affordable tower, I have no qualms buying elsewhere.

Grimace said:
....and when your hardware/software has problems...:rolleyes:
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Right, because Apple-bought Macs never have hardware/software problems. :D
 
Still don't believe it ... has anyone actually received their shipment ?

There is too many red flags here, not to mention it this company clearly will not last. Once Apple legal gets a hold of them, they will go under very fast.
 
I also think too that the company, should they want to impress anyone, at least keep things looking uniform among the systems being shown off ... same monitors, keyboard, and mouse.

Notice in the video the assorted monitors and mice being used for each of the computers and the Dell keyboards?

Makes things look trashy and unprofessional.
 
inkswamp said:
Apple should compete with these guys, give us a reason not to buy from Psystar, instead of trying to shut them down. As soon as some third-party reviews start to show up, I will be buying one myself. If Apple won't sell me an affordable tower, I have no qualms buying elsewhere.
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Why or Why would I need Apple to give me a reason to NOT buy from these guys?

I think Psystar has given anyone enough reason to not buy from them.

inkswamp said:
Right, because Apple-bought Macs never have hardware/software problems. :D
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Grimace was referring to the above post about reinstalling the OS which Psystar does not support yet they claim to provide restore disks. Which I would venture if using something like Norton Ghost might be possible
 
andrewxps said:
They never really disrupt the osx86 community either.. i havent heard of any lawsuits or cease and desist... correct if wrong.
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This is because folks in the osx86 community do not try to pose as legitimate businesses competing with Apple.
 
inkswamp said:
Right, because Apple-bought Macs never have hardware/software problems. :D
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There are occasional hardware failures, but Apple's computers have them at a rate lower than the rest of the industry.

Also, Apple bought Macs do NOT have the basic kind of compatibility issues that this "open computer" will have. Mac OS X runs natively on Macs, and it has to be hacked to run on this piece of garbage. Big difference there, pal.

If you want this open computer so bad, then why don't you order one and tell us how reliable and stable it is? Have fun being ripped off.
 
The best that we can hope for...

...is that Pystar will be crushed under the weight of its user base unknowingly running software update and nuking their hackintoshes before Apple Legal has a chance to sue them into oblivion or decides to make changes to their firmware that break PC_EFI with Leopard.

Sadly, I fear it may be too late to avoid that last scenario...
 
FYI everyone: The legal enforceability of EULAs is currently under debate. That is, just because a software company presents a dialog box with text and the user clicks the "Agree" button, that does not necessarily represent a legally binding contract. A reasonably-well executed defense would easily void the EULA if they got sued...

If those of you old enough will remember, Apple tried entering the clone market around the Mac OS 8 timeframe by allowing a few third parties to make authorized Mac clones. If you'll recall, that short-lived experiment was disasterous for Apple, because it's EASY for third parties to make cheaper Mac clones that far outperform the real thing. Apple put a halt to their clone licenses because given the choice, NO ONE was willing to buy an over-priced under-performing Apple-branded Mac given the alternative.

I for one am glad that Psystar is offering this alternative... hopefully this will cause people to question whether or not a nearly-$2000 iMac is actually worth the cost when a similarly equipped open computer (albeit not as beautiful) can be had for under $1000 with OS and monitor.
 
funkboy said:
...is that Pystar will be crushed under the weight of its user base unknowingly running software update and nuking their hackintoshes before Apple Legal has a chance to sue them into oblivion or decides to make changes to their firmware that break PC_EFI with Leopard.

Sadly, I fear it may be too late to avoid that last scenario...
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The people who would buy from this company are people who know what they are doing.

The only reason I would buy this is to experiment, probably INTENTIONALLY breaking it to find a way to fix it.

I know there are other people out there who think the same way. The fact that their website's inflection sounds like it is worded for the computer hardware illiterate doesn't mean those are the people who would buy this POS.
 
speakerwizard said:
oh, and yourll NEVER see this, there is such little demand, dont confuse a couple of geeks on a forum with real demand, the majority of pc users never upgrade anything in a computer, and of the ones that do / have its only the ram, they even prefer an external HD when they have a tower pc, this plus apple moving more and more to integrated 'consumer electronics' i.e. the macbook air being sealed unit means you will never see the fabled x-mac!
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People who I know who want a mac 'tower' don't want the tower in order to be able to upgrade the machine. They just want a machine that's more powerful than the mini, but not a server machine like the Pro. Something like an iMac with actual desktop parts - the monitor is what I think most people are talking about when they mention a mac 'tower'.
 
Not the least bit interested. OS X is a good operating system, but to me, the entire design and look of the computer combined with the OS goes into what makes Macs the best. After owning an iMac, the tower design doesn't do much for me.
 
why don't people just buy a mac?

i tried everything before I got one to do it on the cheap. i started with pearpc, then doing dual boot with longhorn and mac os x, then making hacintosh's. they all suck. the day my winblows pc rebooted on its own for a windows update (that i said never to ask me again, btw if you tell it no too many times, it just does it anyway), yes rebooted on its own, right in the middle of me backing up my backpacking europe pictures about 80 gig, i got the keys to my dads car, drove to the apple store millenia (orlando) maxed out my credit card and bought a macbook pro. best thing i ever did

matt
 
WannaBMW3 said:
Hmmm.....wonder if Apple legal department is all over this???
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Haven't you guys all figured it out yet? That's what Psystar wants. The purpose of setting up this company and selling hacintoshes is not to make money (you can't make money selling PCs at that price) the purpose is to force a challange in court. They put together a company with no assets to loose. They are thinking all we have is rented office space and an invenory of 50 PCs, nothing to loose, but if we win the right to make and sell clones with a decisive court opinion we can sell the business for a mint.

I can se where Apple is NOT going to jump on them so fast. A lawsuit is like flipping a coin. You never know the outcome. Apple has a LOT to loose here by going to court. They might have the entire concept of a EULA invalidated and what do they have to gain if they win? Only continueation of the staus quo

It is the same type of gamble some people take when they don't buy auto insurance. I have a lot to loose if some one were to sue me. But what I the most expensive thing I owned as a $600 car that just just wrecked and I have a $7 per hour job. Even if I was drunk and ran over 4 kids who would sue me? No lawyer would take the case because he couldn't be paid. I'm sure Psystar is thinking the same thing "sue me, if I loose I can't pay and if I win we're millionares"

Their route to becomming rich requires Apple taking them to court. Why else violate the ELUA in such a conspicous public way.
 
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