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Psystar Demos 'Open Computer' on Video

Shut Them Down Apple!

Shut em Down! If you allow third parties start building computers, then your operating becomes crap much like windows. Errors out the wazoo due to all the different manufacturers...

No Thanks! I Want a Stable OS. I will pay Apple for that! Shut Them DOWN NOW!
 
I suppose that you get what you pay for:

- if you get a mac clone, you'll get a mac's clone performance.
- having tasted how good a mac's performance is, would you settle for any less?
- I guess that some would...
- ...and then those that would, would complain and complain...
- ahhh!

done.
 
Looks like a great Linux system.

OSX is not practical as it will break when upgraded and I consider windows a virus.

That leaves Solaris, FreeBSD, and Linux as good candidates.
 
PcBgone said:
Shut em Down! If you allow third parties start building computers, then your operating becomes crap much like windows. Errors out the wazoo due to all the different manufacturers...

No Thanks! I Want a Stable OS. I will pay Apple for that! Shut Them DOWN NOW!
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No sense in wasting time and energy shutting them down - yet. They've yet to have a SINGLE OSX system delivered. Let them waste all their assets on this brainchild and then give them the smack down when they'll have less than a clay vessel to urinate in. But only if they ship which is still a big IF.
 
stainlessliquid said:
Because Apple does not offer an affordable tower. Pretty simple answer. The consumer always gets what they want one way or another. The mini is not acceptable, the imac is not acceptable, and the mac pro is not affordable.
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This is pretty much the whole debate summarized in a single sentence. Switchers are accustomed to being able to easily upgrade the insides of their computer (videocard, hard drives, multiple RAM slots).
 
FoxyKaye said:
So, basically, everything will work fine until you actually try to run Software Update or, gods forbid, want to re-install.

I'm wondering why Apple hasn't pounced all over these folks like a polar bear on a baby seal?
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Because people have a God given right to be stupid. They will end up with a Brick and now they don't have the money to get a real Mac. Imagine that, not being able to install security fixes, no bug fixes and no new features and if you need to re-install, you need t send it back at who knows what cost, to be back again with a system that can not be updated. LOL, great deal.

If you like tinkering, and don't mind not being able to use your computer for a week or two, it may not be a bad deal.

Most people, my self included. will do better to wait until they have the money for a real Mac.
 
ChrisA said:
Haven't you guys all figured it out yet? That's what Psystar wants. The purpose of setting up this company and selling hacintoshes is not to make money (you can't make money selling PCs at that price) the purpose is to force a challange in court. They put together a company with no assets to loose. They are thinking all we have is rented office space and an invenory of 50 PCs, nothing to loose, but if we win the right to make and sell clones with a decisive court opinion we can sell the business for a mint.

I can se where Apple is NOT going to jump on them so fast. A lawsuit is like flipping a coin. You never know the outcome. Apple has a LOT to loose here by going to court. They might have the entire concept of a EULA invalidated and what do they have to gain if they win? Only continueation of the staus quo

It is the same type of gamble some people take when they don't buy auto insurance. I have a lot to loose if some one were to sue me. But what I the most expensive thing I owned as a $600 car that just just wrecked and I have a $7 per hour job. Even if I was drunk and ran over 4 kids who would sue me? No lawyer would take the case because he couldn't be paid. I'm sure Psystar is thinking the same thing "sue me, if I loose I can't pay and if I win we're millionares"

Their route to becomming rich requires Apple taking them to court. Why else violate the ELUA in such a conspicous public way.
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this is the only post worth reading in this entire thread very very good observation
 
Why can't there be another computer company that has Mac OS X on it other then Apple? If Apple ever wants to eat into that 90+% market share of Windows, they need to spread there OS around. Look at Windows and IBM back in the day. As long as Apple has there Apple-bloated prices on there products because there supposedly better then the rest, there market share will never take away Windows' domination.

In summary: Apple, spread your OS around to other manufacturers. It's the only way to have your dream of a Mac OS happy-world.
 
WilWheaton said:
this is the only post worth reading in this entire thread very very good observation
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psystar better hire attorneys better than they run a business. Your point is valid had this strategy been attempted by a company that actually was already doing a thriving business, and I can think of a few Apple would have a tough way to go with.

Legal fights aren't cheap and these guys are on a shoestring as it is.

That's why they're not shipping. No shipped product, no harm done.

Buy an Ubuntu or Windows box and bet you get one pretty quick.

Did you notice they never really showed Leopard desktop where they did w. Ubuntu & Windows. A frame at first then cut away. They dwelled on the other two systems and showed so called mac running quake. As you can see.... we've shipped ZERO!!
 
well, $400 sounds good, but you have to add leopard, up to $555, and if you want a graphics card, another $110, firewire, another $50, now up to $715 with no monitor, buy a 20" dell to go with it and you're almost at 1k, vs the 1.2k for the base imac. so with all this added, how is this big ass box with no monitor that awesome of a deal compared to an imac other than you're not stuck with a glossy monitor? (or the low quality ones in the current 20"ers)

i added one to my cart, then when i hit checkout it said "0 items in cart". nice. not like i would buy one though...
 
ChrisA said:
Haven't you guys all figured it out yet? That's what Psystar wants. The purpose of setting up this company and selling hacintoshes is not to make money (you can't make money selling PCs at that price) the purpose is to force a challange in court. They put together a company with no assets to loose. They are thinking all we have is rented office space and an invenory of 50 PCs, nothing to loose, but if we win the right to make and sell clones with a decisive court opinion we can sell the business for a mint.

I can se where Apple is NOT going to jump on them so fast. A lawsuit is like flipping a coin. You never know the outcome. Apple has a LOT to loose here by going to court. They might have the entire concept of a EULA invalidated and what do they have to gain if they win? Only continueation of the staus quo

It is the same type of gamble some people take when they don't buy auto insurance. I have a lot to loose if some one were to sue me. But what I the most expensive thing I owned as a $600 car that just just wrecked and I have a $7 per hour job. Even if I was drunk and ran over 4 kids who would sue me? No lawyer would take the case because he couldn't be paid. I'm sure Psystar is thinking the same thing "sue me, if I loose I can't pay and if I win we're millionares"

Their route to becomming rich requires Apple taking them to court. Why else violate the ELUA in such a conspicous public way.
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If Apple were to lose in ELUA litigation- and subsequent appeals, and it is ruled that a company selling Mac-clones can legally install retail copies of OSx, Apple would simply raise the retail price of Leopard and subsequent OSs to, say, $499, and require a registration key for the software to work, thus making bobo Mac-clones no cheaper than a Mac.
 
inkswamp said:
:rolleyes:

It always cracks me up that someone here rushes in to invoke Apple's legal team. Whatever.

Apple should compete with these guys, give us a reason not to buy from Psystar, instead of trying to shut them down. As soon as some third-party reviews start to show up, I will be buying one myself. If Apple won't sell me an affordable tower, I have no qualms buying elsewhere.
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Personally, I think it is a sad indictment of the world we live in that people think it is okay to lie, cheat, and steal as long as the entity they are lying to, cheating on, or stealing from is not able to enforce sanctions against them.

It's like someone saying,"Hey, it's not cheating if my wife never finds out!" Uh, yeah, it's still cheating you lying bastard.

When you install Mac OS X, and the licensing agreement comes up, and you click "Agree", you have a pretty damned clear idea of what it is you are agreeing to, and pretending otherwise is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.

Yvan256 said:
This is pretty much the whole debate summarized in a single sentence. Switchers are accustomed to being able to easily upgrade the insides of their computer (videocard, hard drives, multiple RAM slots).
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Bull Twaddle. You can't prove that.

Owned PC's for 15 years, never upgraded much more than memory. Some do, but I venture that most don't.
 
Well I guess it works. Now I am curious to hear from customers who actually get one. I am not opposed to the idea of having Mac clones again, however I would hope it would be limited to a few good quality manufactures so we don't run into all the issues with mismatched hardware that Windows has.
 
stevegmu said:
If Apple were to lose in ELUA litigation- and subsequent appeals, and it is ruled that a company selling Mac-clones can legally install retail copies of OSx, Apple would simply raise the retail price of Leopard and subsequent OSs to, say, $499, and require a registration key for the software to work, thus making bobo Mac-clones no cheaper than a Mac.
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I doubt it. More likely, Apple would install some sort of licensing scheme that would make MicroSoft look like pikers. Retail disk's would be labeled upgrade only, installer would check for previous version before install.

New HD? Need a clean install? Thats what system restore disks are for.

Lost your system restore disk? Apple will replace, for $20.00.

Don't like it? Go **** with MS!
 
ChrisA said:
Haven't you guys all figured it out yet? That's what Psystar wants. The purpose of setting up this company and selling hacintoshes is not to make money (you can't make money selling PCs at that price) the purpose is to force a challange in court. They put together a company with no assets to loose. They are thinking all we have is rented office space and an invenory of 50 PCs, nothing to loose, but if we win the right to make and sell clones with a decisive court opinion we can sell the business for a mint.

I can se where Apple is NOT going to jump on them so fast. A lawsuit is like flipping a coin. You never know the outcome. Apple has a LOT to loose here by going to court. They might have the entire concept of a EULA invalidated and what do they have to gain if they win? Only continueation of the staus quo

It is the same type of gamble some people take when they don't buy auto insurance. I have a lot to loose if some one were to sue me. But what I the most expensive thing I owned as a $600 car that just just wrecked and I have a $7 per hour job. Even if I was drunk and ran over 4 kids who would sue me? No lawyer would take the case because he couldn't be paid. I'm sure Psystar is thinking the same thing "sue me, if I loose I can't pay and if I win we're millionares"

Their route to becomming rich requires Apple taking them to court. Why else violate the ELUA in such a conspicous public way.
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how is Apple's lawsuit a flip of a coin? Apple own Mac OS X and the EULA. i dont know much about license agreements by my sister's a Solicitor so i could ask her but how can Apple lose? they might not even wont to go to court for just the "continuation of the status quo" and just leave it because they know the OpenMac wont succeed and they know the only quality and trouble free Mac experience is if they design OS X around for their hardware.
 
Awesome, finally, a cheap computer with mac os x
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You obviously dont know that you can use any other cheap computer, Psystar is only selling unauthorized people work. Boo!!!.


i like these psystar guys, running all 3 OSs is really cool.
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My 5 years old Dell is running, XP, Linux and Tiger. Am I using Psycrap? No!.
An Apple can also run all 3 OS, so what makes Psystar more cool then Apple?

Why can't there be another computer company that has Mac OS X on it other then Apple? If Apple ever wants to eat into that 90+% market share of Windows, they need to spread there OS around. Look at Windows and IBM back in the day. As long as Apple has there Apple-bloated prices on there products because there supposedly better then the rest, there market share will never take away Windows' domination.
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Apple is happily to own a smaller market share then Microsoft. Yeah gaining more market share is good, but Apple is not planning to dominate the market any time soon. Again, a lot of people tend to forget the Apple is a HARDWARE company, they make money by selling their hardware through their quality softwares. By making anyone else to sell OS X, most people wont bother to buy their hardware anymore. Besides, think why Leopard install disk is priced at Vista Home Basic whereas it should be priced at Ultimate with all the features that Apple gives you.
 
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