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But that's not what this case is about. Apple is not suing an end user who has installed a copy of os x on a non-apple PC. Apple is suing a company for hacking and installing os x on non-apple hardware, and then reselling it. There's a bit of a difference.

Precisely. They are trading on Apple's patents, copyrights and trademarks. That's illegal no matter how you cut it.

Apple copied and built on Xerox PARC's GUI work, and so the Macintosh UI was built.

Even if this was true, which it isn't, it would be completely irrelevant.

Psystar kinda does have a leg to stand on. They aren't suing because you can't install another OS on Apple hardware. They are suing because you can only install OSX on Apple hardware. That kinda makes Apple a monopoly.

If Apple is a monopoly, then so is everyone who ever held a copyright or a patent. The entire purpose of intellectual property law is to give intellectual property owners the right to decide how their creative works are used.
 
Last week I sold a book I'd annotated while studying. I know the new owner will be grateful for the learning opportunity, as the book was hard to find, and I didn't exactly make more than a few $ on it. Nevertheless, I'd made money from modifying someone else's work and selling it on without their permission; may the FSM have mercy on my soul :eek:.

Not the same, you'd have to mass produce the annotated book and sell "thousands" of copies. (Thousands is how the CEO of Psystar describes their sales) Then, it would be the same thing as this case.
 
Seriously, this whole issue would be resolved if they just broke down and sold a $500 unsupported system-builder's version. That would deter cloners yet acknowledge the people who want to remain faithful to Apple even though they don't offer hardware solutions that work for them... i.e.: the xMac.

-Clive

In other words you want Apple to sell something that that may or may not work... lol
 
I've been using Macs since 1994 and I have loved almost every Apple product I've owned, but I sincerely hope Apple gets handed their own a** in this.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: if Apple refuses to serve a blazingly obvious need in their market (e.g., the mid-range tower so many of you love to claim nobody wants but never seems to go away) they should step aside and let others do it for them. I mean, if they really believe there isn't a market for it, what are they worried about? There's absolutely no excuse not to let someone else serve that need--other than possibly some vague antipathy for the demands of their customers, which I presume isn't the case.
 
That's an outcome I'd accept as reasonable on some level: buy OS X (or by a Pystar with OS X) and maybe it will run, maybe not. Maybe the next software update will kill something important, maybe not.

But I don't think Psystar or consumers would care for that :eek:



And who would Psystar go to? ONLY Apple could fix problems with OS X on other hardware. Unless Psystar were to develop a whole new model and send it to you for free exchange every time something in OS X broke on non-Apple machines.

The only MEANINGFUL way to achieve the dubious goal of OS X on non-Apple hardware is if Apple supports it.

"Support" doesn't mean "this is the phone number you call." Support means:

* Apple fixes a bug in OS X. Works great. But it breaks on a certain Psystar model! Gotta fix that. More testing, more programming, more delay, more complexity, more risk of a domino effect of even MORE bugs

* Apple adds a feature to OS X. Works great. But it breaks on a certain Psystar model! Gotta fix that. See above.

* Apple makes a whole new OS version with thousands of little fixes and new features. But some of them break on a certain Psystar model. Gotta fix that. See above.

Etc.

And third-party OS X software developers would have to deal with many of the same issues too! Just like they do with Windows now. A HUGE burden at both the development AND post-sales support phases.

If OS X is sold for non-Apple hardware, there is only one way problems will be fixed: on Apple's end or not at all. (Unless of course the courts force Apple to give Psystar their source code to current and future OS's. Then we have software developers dealing not only with a chaos of unpredictable hardware configs, but multiple slightly-different OS versions too! Not gonna work.)

All of which carries a huge cost to Apple in time and money, and a huge cost to Mac users in terms of how fast we get Apple software and how good it is when it arrives.
This case is not about Apple making a decision to license its EULA to 3rd parties. They do not have to support it anyway this comes down. If I buy a washing machine, put solvent in it to clean engine parts, Sears can not stop me, but they also do not have to warranty the machine since I broke the agreement.
 
Apple, however, uses 95% of the exact same technology that one could find inside an Office Max bargain PC. The bond between OS X and Apple's hardware is nothing more than Apple basically holding you at gunpoint to make sure they don't lose the hardware sale.

That's nonsense. Apple has every right to sell Macintosh computers the way they want to sell them. They can't hold a gun to anybody's head. If you don't like the product, you have a choice.
 
And who would Psystar go to? ONLY Apple could fix problems with OS X on other hardware. Unless Psystar were to develop a whole new model and send it to you for free exchange every time something in OS X broke on non-Apple machines.

It would be the same thing as an OEM copy of Winblows IF Psystar cant handle the support than they should not be in the game to start with. The same way Dell handles the support for a Dell issue involving winblows You call Dell not Microsoft. Dell has there own people.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again: if Apple refuses to serve a blazingly obvious need in their market (e.g., the mid-range tower so many of you love to claim nobody wants but never seems to go away) they should step aside and let others do it for them. I mean, if they really believe there isn't a market for it, what are they worried about? There's absolutely no excuse not to let someone else serve that need--other than possibly some vague antipathy for the demands of their customers, which I presume isn't the case.

There IS an excuse: doing do would make OS X a worse product for all of us. Fewer features, more bugs, slower releases. As I've discussed above.

Now I hope Apple steps up and delivers a mid-range headless for gamers, but that's a separate issue from this case. No matter what, there will always be some model that someone wishes Apple made. Yet it remains true that OS X would be WORSE for consumers if Apple had to develop for and support a variety of non-Apple hardware.

You can't just look at one side of the equation, and see only the positives, when the negatives would be huge too and would affect you.

It would be the same thing as an OEM copy of Winblows IF Psystar cant handle the support than they should not be in the game to start with. The same way Dell handles the support for a Dell issue involving winblows You call Dell not Microsoft. Dell has there own people.

Yes, except Microsoft DOES spend MASSIVE time and money supporting that hardware that the OEM Windows went on. It's what Microsoft always HAS to do: develop for and test for a chaotic range of hardware.

That's something Apple does NOT currently have to do. If they did, OS X (and we users of OS X) would suffer as I outlined.

You may be looking only at support phone calls. That's not the big problem--the big problem is in the OS development itself. See my examples that you quoted. Those are development issues that Microsoft DOES face, and it hurts the product they deliver.

Again, if Apple has NO involvement in what Psystar and Psystar customers do with OS X, then OS X WILL break. Apple's not testing for those machines, and not fixing issues when they arise for those machines. That's not a meaningful opening of the platform at all, and it's not what people here are clamoring for I'm sure. Psystar would be out of business rapidly, and their customers would be screwed. (And Apple would then take a lot of the blame, fairly or not.)

Apple would HAVE to actively develop for non-Apple hardware, and it WOULD have bad consequences. Yes, choice would be one of the good sides. Not good enough to make me willing to face the OS X problems that would never go away.
 
classic David vs Goliath
although in the old story, Goliath didn't have 25 high-priced lawyers on stand-by!

Only 25 you say! That's how many steve has following him wherever he goes. I bet Apple has a whole firm devoted to them. And I really hope that pystar goes under.

Don
 
You can't just look at one side of the equation, and see only the positives, when the negatives would be huge too and would affect you.

Why not? It so much easier to think of what will benefit me in the short term, and call that the "right" thing to do, than consider the bigger picture -- which is so much more complicated!
 
While I am certain that Psystar will quickly lose this one, the part that kills me is the "full recall of all Psystar computers sold." Not only is this absolutely impossible, it is absurd and would constitute pure theft (by Apple) for anyone that owns a Psystar machine. If I owned one of their machines and was actually happy with it (who knows, stranger things have happened), I would tell anyone who claimed I "had to hand it over" to go f*ck themselves with a toilet brush.
 
Why not? It so much easier to think of what will benefit me in the short term, and call that the "right" thing to do, than consider the bigger picture -- which is so much more complicated!

I think it's also that so many people are new to the Mac (and to these forums) and are so used to blaming Microsoft for everything. They don't even realize that this is one problem with Windows--a BIG one--that Microsoft is not at fault on. Microsoft simply couldn't avoid the fact that developing for 20 thousand hardware configs is harder than developing for 20. If Apple is forced to be like Microsoft in that way, they won't avoid that issue either, and OS X will inherit one of Windows' biggest problems.

(And of course it's also the very reason Microsoft gained and kept their abusive monopoly. All that manufacturer variety has been a two-edged sword for Windows: more profits, more "choice," but lower quality, fewer features, and later releases. See also Windows Vista :eek: )

While I am sure that Psystar will ultimately lose, the part that kills me is the "full recall of all Psystar computers sold." This is absolutely impossible and would constitute pure theft (by Apple) for anyone that owns a Psystar machine. If I owned one of their machine and was actually happy with it (who knows), I would tell anyone who claimed I "had to hand it over" to go f*ck themselves with a toilet brush.

I doubt that will happen, and WOULD be impossible to implement perfectly, but recalls do happen, and it's not theft: you get your money back. Meanwhile, I can see why Apple's lawyers have to push for every remedy there's ANY chance of. They're not interested in making things nice for Psystar's tiny number of customers. They're interested in making sure Psystar's plans fail so completely that they don't have to have this same fight again and again.
 
However, nobody seemto be buying Apple to run Windows on, so I'm guessing there's better hardware out there.
Not better; less costly.

Your point raises a question for me. Since Apple's support is tops (according to surveys of the readers of PC Magazine and Consumer Reports), why not buy a Mac to run a retail, shrink-wrapped copy of Windows, assuming you're willing to pay the price premium? Does Microsoft decline to provide support for a retail copy of Windows that's installed on a Mac? If you have a problem with the hardware, does Apple support require you to describe how the problem manifests itself in OS X?
 
Not better; less costly.

There's really not that much difference pricewise between a Lenovo and an Apple, is there?

Your point raises a question for me. Since Apple's support is tops (according to surveys of the readers of PC Magazine and Consumer Reports), why not buy a Mac to run a retail, shrink-wrapped copy of Windows, assuming you're willing to pay the price premium? Does Microsoft decline to provide support for a retail copy of Windows that's installed on a Mac? If you have a problem with the hardware, does Apple support require you to describe how the problem manifests itself in OS X?

No, there's absolutely no problem running Windows on an Apple computer, except that Apple computers aren't exactly known for their reliability. Apple laptops are of average quality but the OS is very very good.
 
Not better; less costly.

Your point raises a question for me. Since Apple's support is tops (according to surveys of the readers of PC Magazine and Consumer Reports), why not buy a Mac to run a retail, shrink-wrapped copy of Windows, assuming you're willing to pay the price premium? Does Microsoft decline to provide support for a retail copy of Windows that's installed on a Mac? If you have a problem with the hardware, does Apple support require you to describe how the problem manifests itself in OS X?

People do buy Macs to run Windows and ONLY Windows. It's just very rare :eek: Mainly I've heard of people doing it for the sake of the power and specs Apple wedges into such a thin space with their laptops.

In any case, good question. AIUI, Windows IS supported on Mac hardware by Microsoft, and by Apple to a limited extent (see the periodic updates to Boot Camp). But I'm sure for testing hardware failures they could insist you re-install OS X. However, the Apple hardware test is on DVD, which could help avoid the issue.

No, there's absolutely no problem running Windows on an Apple computer, except that Apple computers aren't exactly known for their reliability. Apple laptops are of average quality but the OS is very very good.

To be more specific: there's not that much range of reliability difference in laptop makers, but within that range, Apple's no longer on top like they once were. Nor are they much worse than others, but it's one advantage that has been lost.

But for desktops, there is a bigger difference--and Apple IS still on top for desktop reliability.

(These stats change as models come and go of course.)
 
Yes, except Microsoft DOES spend MASSIVE time and money supporting that hardware that the OEM Windows went on. It's what Microsoft always HAS to do: develop for and test for a chaotic range of hardware.

That's something Apple does NOT currently have to do. If they did, OS X (and we users of OS X) would suffer as I outlined.

You may be looking only at support phone calls. That's not the big problem--the big problem is in the OS development itself. See my examples that you quoted. Those are development issues that Microsoft DOES face, and it hurts the product they deliver.

Again, if Apple has NO involvement in what Psystar and Psystar customers do with OS X, then OS X WILL break. Apple's not testing for those machines, and not fixing issues when they arise for those machines. That's not a meaningful opening of the platform at all, and it's not what people here are clamoring for I'm sure. Psystar would be out of business rapidly, and their customers would be screwed. (And Apple would then take a lot of the blame, fairly or not.)

Apple would HAVE to actively develop for non-Apple hardware, and it WOULD have bad consequences. Yes, choice would be one of the good sides. Not good enough to make me willing to face the OS X problems that would never go away.

Not quite. Microsoft rarely develops the drivers that are used in Windows, in terms of all of the products that are released. The vast majority of the time, driver development is left up to the individual company (for example, Microsoft doesn't develop nVidia or ATI graphics drivers, nVidia and ATI do. Microsoft doesn't develop Intel or AMD chipset or processor drivers, Intel and AMD do).

Once a company develops a driver, there are a few options available: one, they can submit the driver to Microsoft for testing, in which case if it passes Microsoft's likely limited testing, it receives WHQL certification. If it doesn't pass testing, Microsoft will usually request that they go back and make changes to get the driver to function properly.

Otherwise, what often occurs, is that companies will instead directly release the driver onto their website, etc., and thus they take Microsoft out of the equation. Microsoft has for years warned Windows users that using any driver that hasn't passed certification, can lead to system instability. The ultimate reality however, is that so many thousands and thousands of Windows-related products get released each year, that it would essentially be almost impossible for Microsoft to ever provide the support Windows would need, to achieve OS X-like manufacturer-guaranteed stability.

However, that having been said, if you consider the entire scenario behind Windows and what it faces in terms of driver support, I doubt OS X or any other OS could ever approach the general stability that Windows provides, if you had to have OS X and other OS' support everything that Windows does.

OS X is a great OS, and I do think what of the greatest benefits is that in general, it is highly stable (although I've never seen my Windows-based systems ever crash more often than OS X, it's about the same, given that if you know what you're doing, Windows is very stable itself), and that for the average user, it does provide that almost guaranteed security that Windows cannot provide. I do wish however, that Apple would release a free, non-or-limited-support version of OS that us home system builders (one of my main reasons, besides gaming, for sticking with Windows primarily is that nothing is quite as fun as getting one's hand dirty with the building and upgrading of a PC. A lot like working on a car...) could use, because it would be quite a bit of fun, without having to resort to "hacking" OS X. :)
 
Still laughing hard about "apple has the best hardware"

i think apple should lose this one actually. In fact I wish they never even went after Psystar. No one is buying Psystar comps. They clearly have awful legal counsel and are terrible when it comes to marketing their product. They could have been big but they are basically just a bunch computer geeks. I dont see any sort of intelligence being exhibitted from Psystar.


Oh, and for everyone that says Apples hardware is the best: its the same guts as ny other large manufacturer. Apple is where it is because of innovation, design of its shells and its OS. same guts!
 
I've been using Macs since 1994 and I have loved almost every Apple product I've owned, but I sincerely hope Apple gets handed their own a** in this.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: if Apple refuses to serve a blazingly obvious need in their market (e.g., the mid-range tower so many of you love to claim nobody wants but never seems to go away) they should step aside and let others do it for them. I mean, if they really believe there isn't a market for it, what are they worried about? There's absolutely no excuse not to let someone else serve that need--other than possibly some vague antipathy for the demands of their customers, which I presume isn't the case.

*cough cough* fallacy *cough*

I don't blindly defend Apple's business decisions on the grounds that "they know what's best." However, I understand why they won't build this mid-range, headless Mac so many people are clamoring for.

Firstly, most people are screaming for it because they want to buy a cheap Mac then use the newly discovered ability to upgrade using established standards-based hardware at a fraction of the cost. This is lost revenue as such a system would undoubtedly have a low profit margin. Apple would be a fool to sell it just for this reason. The investors and stockholders would have Jobs's giblets in a vice within days.

Secondly, such a unit would gray the areas between product lines. Most people screaming for these systems are used to the PC product model where the build-to-order options can drastically change the intended purpose of a computer. Like with Dell, you can configure a Dimension to have almsot hte exact same specs as an XPS. The only real difference between the offerings become finite details and outward appearances.

Thirdly, Apple uses an end-to-end business model. This ensures the consistent (minus small quality control issues) and uniform end user experience. Giving users a machine they can start slapping components in willy nilly causes the risk of them putting in a third-rate piece of hardware and then turning around and blaming the company for not "supporting" the cheap hardware. Bad PR.

I personally think Apple would be insane to put out a mid-range tower Mac. It would cannibalize sales of the iMac and Mac Mini, lose the company lots of money on the hardware, and would be a breeding ground for a PR nightmare based on little more than a user's own incompetence.
 
In other words you want Apple to sell something that that may or may not work... lol

Correct. T'would certainly upsell the iMacs and MacBooks for most folks.

That's nonsense. Apple has every right to sell Macintosh computers the way they want to sell them.

Uhh, actually, legally, your statement is false. In the U.S., Apple's business practices must comply with anti-trust guidelines, which includes not participating in anti-competitive behavior. I'm not judge or jury, so I can't decide whether their closed model is or isn't anti-competitive (more specifically, "Tying"), but it is certainly going to be the focal point of PsyStar's defense.

They can't hold a gun to anybody's head.

You're right, Apple shouldn't be able to hold a (proverbial) gun to anyone's head, which is exactly the case to "unlock" OS X. Why support Apple's agenda to THWART my choice of hardware? Apple routinely denies consumers that choice with every copy of Leopard sold. "Thank you for buying product [1]. It will work on hardware configurations [A] through [Z] but you can only use it on configurations [A], or [C] because those are the only ones we make." Sounds a little anti-competitive to me...

If you don't like the product, you have a choice.

Hmm, that's funny. The product I bought was OS X and I do like it. That's why I bought it.

Perhaps you were talking about Apple's hardware... which I didn't like, so I didn't buy it.

Consumer choice at work.

-Clive
 
(And of course it's also the very reason Microsoft gained and kept their abusive monopoly. All that manufacturer variety has been a two-edged sword for Windows: more profits, more "choice," but lower quality, fewer features, and later releases. See also Windows Vista :eek: )

Keeping in mind also that Microsoft's product is and has always been the operating system only. This is their business. They've never made or sold a single Windows computer. Apple OTOH sells computers, hardware and OS together. This is Apple's business. With their market share still in the single digits it's hard to conceive of a scenario where they could be forced to license the MacOS to another hardware maker, let alone under terms dictated by a court.
 
Not quite. Microsoft rarely develops the drivers that are used in Windows, in terms of all of the products that are released. The vast majority of the time, driver development is left up to the individual company (for example, Microsoft doesn't develop nVidia or ATI graphics drivers, nVidia and ATI do. Microsoft doesn't develop Intel or AMD chipset or processor drivers, Intel and AMD do).

Once a company develops a driver, there are a few options available: one, they can submit the driver to Microsoft for testing, in which case if it passes Microsoft's likely limited testing, it receives WHQL certification. If it doesn't pass testing, Microsoft will usually request that they go back and make changes to get the driver to function properly.

Otherwise, what often occurs, is that companies will instead directly release the driver onto their website, etc., and thus they take Microsoft out of the equation. Microsoft has for years warned Windows users that using any driver that hasn't passed certification, can lead to system instability. The ultimate reality however, is that so many thousands and thousands of Windows-related products get released each year, that it would essentially be almost impossible for Microsoft to ever provide the support Windows would need, to achieve OS X-like manufacturer-guaranteed stability.

However, that having been said, if you consider the entire scenario behind Windows and what it faces in terms of driver support, I doubt OS X or any other OS could ever approach the general stability that Windows provides, if you had to have OS X and other OS' support everything that Windows does.

OS X is a great OS, and I do think what of the greatest benefits is that in general, it is highly stable (although I've never seen my Windows-based systems ever crash more often than OS X, it's about the same, given that if you know what you're doing, Windows is very stable itself), and that for the average user, it does provide that almost guaranteed security that Windows cannot provide. I do wish however, that Apple would release a free, non-or-limited-support version of OS that us home system builders (one of my main reasons, besides gaming, for sticking with Windows primarily is that nothing is quite as fun as getting one's hand dirty with the building and upgrading of a PC. A lot like working on a car...) could use, because it would be quite a bit of fun, without having to resort to "hacking" OS X. :)

Thanks--that's a good analysis of the driver part of the picture, from a Windows perspective.

OS features do have to go beyond that though, and there's no avoiding them becoming a testing issue when developing new OS features (or fixes to old ones). And looking just at drivers, the only way for Apple to dodge adding time/cost is if they ONLY offered the "sink or swim option," offering no documentation or support to driver makers, and I don't see that working out.

Oh, and for everyone that says Apples hardware is the best: its the same guts as ny other large manufacturer. Apple is where it is because of innovation, design of its shells and its OS. same guts!

True only if you define "guts" in a very narrow way--too narrow to use when choosing a brand. Look inside a Mac Pro and you won't see the same internals as another PC maker. Look inside a MacBook Air and you won't see the same as a Windows laptop. You'll see mostly components and chips that are available to others, but the internal design isn't just a bag of chips. It's a motherboard, and a choice of WHICH chips, and a host of other design decisions. Not just the shell outside.

That's why other brands of PC aren't entirely the same as each other. Sometimes a Dell model IS better than an HP, or a Compaq IS better than a Lenovo.

And sometimes a Mac is better too.

You can't just say that all name-brand computers are alike and laugh when someone claims one is different. That's an extreme oversimplification.
 
While I am certain that Psystar will quickly lose this one, the part that kills me is the "full recall of all Psystar computers sold." Not only is this absolutely impossible, it is absurd and would constitute pure theft (by Apple) for anyone that owns a Psystar machine. If I owned one of their machines and was actually happy with it (who knows, stranger things have happened), I would tell anyone who claimed I "had to hand it over" to go f*ck themselves with a toilet brush.

Very nice, educated argument here.

Let me make a few things clear: Anyone who buys from Psystar knows exactly what is going on. If they are asked to return their machine that is something they knew they had to expect. And how is this "pure theft by Apple"? Apple didn't sell them a machine illegally. Apple didn't make them any promises. Would you rather return the computer, or would you like to tell Apple whether you are using an unlicensed copy of MacOS X or not? And after returning the computer, you can obviously ask Psystar for your money back. I am sure they are a reliable company that will promptly return every penny you paid.
 
What?

This would be like me buying a ton of Honda Accords and then selling them as Joe's People Mover....It is ripping off technology from one company to sell under another label.

Anti-Trust law is about market power not INDIVIDUAL companies competing against one another.
 
I personally think Apple would be insane to put out a mid-range tower Mac. It would cannibalize sales of the iMac and Mac Mini, lose the company lots of money on the hardware, and would be a breeding ground for a PR nightmare based on little more than a user's own incompetence.

I think you need to re-evaluate the market that would be interested in a mid-range or even high-end, headless Macs. The type of user who wants a headless, mid-range Mac won't be interested in the iMac (with its very limited upgrade options; the iMac itself is almost a niche market, which apparently for the last decade Apple has had a higher % of then the PC market as a whole) or the Mac Mini (which is so under-powered its almost laughable. It's perfect in the role of a HTPC, but not much more).

Apple could easily produce a mid-tower headless Mac with say a couple of expansion ports, an extra one or two 3 1/2" bays for HD expansion, etc. If anything, long-term, this would help to net Apple more money: a person will likely be willing to shelve out money on Mac-"specific" graphics cards, hard drives, etc.. Apple already currently sells limited upgrade options for the Mac Pros, so those same products could conceivably be available for a more consumer-oriented headless desktop. A user will buy upgrade options typically long before they'll replace the system itself, but ultimately they will replace the system someday, so Apple won't be missing sales.

Quite a few people would also want to keep everything "Apple themed", so it's very likely many would end up purchasing an Apple display with their headless Mac, thus making Apple even more money in another way (and I'd imagine the profit margin is much greater in an actual display, than on the panel they include in an iMac).

People like security in more than just their software. They like to think that they can upgrade or expand their system in the future, thus buying them a further lifespan for that product. So currently, they have either the mid-range iMacs that have very limited upgrade options, or the more professionally-focused Mac Pros, which don't appeal to the mid-range consumer at all. I'm sure some settle for an iMac, but many probably simply go back to shopping for a Windows PC. I hate to break it to Mac fanbois, but the days of the desktop are far from over.
 
Uhh, actually, legally, your statement is false. In the U.S., Apple's business practices must comply with anti-trust guidelines, which includes not participating in anti-competitive behavior. I'm not judge or jury, so I can't decide whether their closed model is or isn't anti-competitive (more specifically, "Tying"), but it is certainly going to be the focal point of PsyStar's defense.

All business have to comply with the law, but they are not assumed to be in violation unless proved otherwise. The "closed model" is not inherently anticompetitive. If it were, every patent and copyright holder would be automatically in violation if they held those patents and copyrights close -- which of course virtually all of them do, because that's the purpose of intellectual property. Anticompetitive behavior has to be proved, and as the Microsoft antitrust case showed, this can an extremely difficult task even when a company has a 95% market share and uses it in abundantly obvious anticompetitive ways. The only conceivable way the antitrust argument works against Apple is if the market is defined as Apple Macintosh computers. Of course this would be completely absurd.
 
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