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Let's say Apple has two products.
MacBook 999$
iPod 299$

The iPod costs Apple 90$ to make. The MacBook costs them 400$ to make. (Those are figures I have in my head from iSupply).

This means in the iPods case 70% of the sale is revenue. In the MacBook case 40%.

70% of 299$ = 210$ * 10 mil = 2.1bil
40% of 999$ = 400$ * 3 mil = 1.2bil

The numbers are not the most realistic, yes. But given the fact that Apple sells iPods, iPhones, Music and Apps, among other things, next to a few computers... It is highly likely that Apples computer business doesn't lead on the revenue charts.

FWIW, here's the breakdown:

http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/a...ers-Beats-street-posts-167B-profit/1255985794
 
Ok this thing is confusing.. it works great but it didnt install the darwin universal bootloader that is on the revel efi disc... im guessing it doesnt install because its a trial.. but after you buy an activation code it will allow you to use there program and install the bootloader?

I tried using chameleon but it buggered my install... so i am still using the rebel efi disc to boot up into snow leopard until i can find a way to obtain it...free because i dont want to pay $50 for a code. Besides im in the UK and paypal will eat me for transfering money etc...for some reason aswell iv notised the performance on snow leopard through this system is strange.. its fast even too fast... which i know sounds mental but hear me out..

The spinning disc at the start up spins much faster than on a real mac... or hackintosh.. and the animations of icons jumping on the dock look like there on speed! seriously they bounce very very fast
 
Especially considering the countersuit Psystar filed specifically against the EULA and Apple's "anti-competitive" practices was dismissed by the court in November 2008 meaning the judge didn't quite see it their way.

Correct. Nice to see someone actually remembers.

Psystar is barely treading water at this point, and quite frankly, this latest act (the subject of this thread) is not going to win them any legal points.
 
Again, more baseless speculation. Even Apple doesn't claim this. Apple gives credit to their iPods and iPhones for driving increased sales of the computer hardware, and they've stated that the gaming market is HUGE and will be driving even more iPhone and iPod sales over the next few years. On top of that it is MacBooks that are the most sold Apple computers. Not iMacs. Not Mac Pros. There is just absolutely zero data to support your continued cries that Apple will die if the Mac OS is opened up to other hardware.



I would gladly pay more for a full open version of Mac OS X. The Windows upgrade is much cheaper than $300, though, and I am personally getting Windows 7 Home Premium for $29, which is the student pricing.


Apple will never openly sell the OS for the PC because the Mac OS is the biggest selling point for the hardware, which is the part that Apple actually makes their money off of.:)

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Well my point has been made in this discussion. It's late, I'm going to bed!

Thanks for the talk,
Night all!
 
Right. I'm sure everyone selling computers or software in the current market is interested in seeing a legal precedent set that blows a hole in the principle of the EULA.

Or do you think you're justified in trashing the whole idea because you're/you:

a) cheap
b) want to turn OS X into a Windows clone
c) want to dictate to Apple how to run their business so as to make things more convenient to you
d) only respect whatever is of imediate benefit to you personally
e) all of the above
Get a freaking clue. An EULA is not copyright. That has to do with the law, not any opinion of Apple, Microsoft or any other company or business practice. An EULA is a contract breaking of which would be remedied under a civil suit. Copyright violations are subject to civil and criminal penalties. That is a fact.

The fanboys really need to shut up around here about legal matters if they're clueless with respect to the law.

Your turning of my statement of fact into a personal attack is likely a violation of the terms of service you agreed to when you signed up for this site.
 
Particularly interesting to note that the Mac computers are their biggest revenue generator, with iPhones in 2nd, and iPods/Music a distant 3rd ;)

The Mac is still pretty much their core business.

Yes, I underestimated the computer sales revenue. It's interesting to note though that the laptop market is doing 3 times better almost than the desktop market...

Anyway, good night!
 
Ok this thing is confusing.. it works great but it didnt install the darwin universal bootloader that is on the revel efi disc... im guessing it doesnt install because its a trial.. but after you buy an activation code it will allow you to use there program and install the bootloader?

I tried using chameleon but it buggered my install... so i am still using the rebel efi disc to boot up into snow leopard until i can find a way to obtain it...free because i dont want to pay $50 for a code. Besides im in the UK and paypal will eat me for transfering money etc...for some reason aswell iv notised the performance on snow leopard through this system is strange.. its fast even too fast... which i know sounds mental but hear me out..

The spinning disc at the start up spins much faster than on a real mac... or hackintosh.. and the animations of icons jumping on the dock look like there on speed! seriously they bounce very very fast

It's a product released by Psystar. What did you expect? Quality? Testing? Support?

so i am still using the rebel efi disc to boot up into snow leopard until i can find a way to obtain it...free because i dont want to pay $50 for a code.

Wow. You're even looking for a way to rip off the pirates??
 
Correct. Nice to see someone actually remembers.

Psystar is barely treading water at this point, and quite frankly, this latest act (the subject of this thread) is not going to win them any legal points.

They still have some left after their Chapter 11 stunt to stall the court case ?

Funny how they got out of Chapter 11 just a few days after the courts deemed they weren't stopping the case because of the bankruptcy.

Funnier still is how they've been banned for any other Chapter 11 actions for 12 months and how the court has now decided that even Chapter 7 wasn't stalling the case against them.

The more this goes forward, the more they lose. Rebel EFI seems like a last ditch effort. I hope it's not based on Linux, because now they are violating the GPL and thus are commiting copyright infringment for that too :rolleyes:.
 
Fixed.

MR doesn't represent Apple's market. We're a minority on here. Keep that in mind when talking about yourself and tose living in yor bubble.

Apple's market just got "better hardware", which will, as usual, sell extremely well.

Are you sure it isn't you that needs to think outside your own bubble? Ever consider that many windows users (you know the majority of computers out there) might actually buy Mac hardware if it had comparable processors, video cards, expandability, blu-ray, etc?

People here aren't debating whether Apple will sell its new hardware. Its why on earth would some people waste their time building a hackintosh or fighting the EULA? Its because there are better hardware options out there. Apple could easily address this, but choose not to. I can understand them holding the line on the 'Apple tax', but giving some extra upgrade options isn't going to put them under nor require them to redo their entire lineup just for me.
 
Get a freaking clue. An EULA is not copyright. That has to do with the law, not any opinion of Apple, Microsoft or any other company or business practice. An EULA is a contract breaking of which would be remedied under a civil suit. Copyright violations are subject to civil and criminal penalties. That is a fact.

The fanboys really need to shut up around here about legal matters if they're clueless with respect to the law.

Your turning of my statement of fact into a personal attack is likely a violation of the terms of service you agreed to when you signed up for this site.

Right. It isn't copyright. Now tell me why the EULA is important.
 
initrd images are just cpio archives. You can extract it using cpio -i.

Well it doesn't like cpio:

Code:
prometheus:test pygmy$ cpio -id < initrd 
cpio: Unrecognized archive format: Inappropriate file type or format: Inappropriate file type or format

It's not gzipped, so I dunno, maybe it's not a Linux initrd..
 
Wow, maybe I can finally run Snow Leopard in full 64 bit mode, which my expensive 2008 Mac Pro cannot do. :mad:

What did you do to it to break it? Everyone else's 2008 Mac Pro runs the 64bit kernel just fine. Mine included.
 
We are not talking unsupported hardware here, nor are we talking missing driver support. We are talking actively locking the OS to their hardware which is in it's core in no way different to the other hardware out there. If Microsoft pulled a stunt like that the whole world would be all over them.

In fact Microsoft isn't even allowed to bundle IE to Windows just like that anymore in the EU, which proves my point. I don't have to change my way of thinking to some crippled proprietary prison way to make this seem just. Apple has to change their way of thinking and accept that they won't get away with this much longer.

Answer me this question... Does MS make computers?

Hugh
 
Mac computers. Gotcha.

Seriously, 3M vs 10M units in Macs vs iPods. Let's assume the cheapest Macbook at 999$ vs the iPod Touch at 299$ compromise 100% of those sales (which they don't).

That's 3B in sales for Macs and 3B in sales for iPods.

Seeing how our assumption is very baseless (iPod average revenu per unit is probably much less than 299$, and Mac average revenue per unit is probably higher than 999$), we can safely assume Apple derives more revenue from Macs than iPods.

I'm even willing to speculate the Mac is responsible for more revenue than the iPod + iPhone combined.

This goes against every single market report I've read. Even Apple attributed its great profit this last quarter to its strong iPod and iPhone sales. I can't find even one report saying that the computers are making Apple a lot of money. It was Phil Schiller who said that the $999 MacBook is the best selling Mac. I can't find any specifics about the amount of money made on the MacBook vs iPod vs iPhone, but I know that the profit margin is huge on both the iPod and the iPhone. On the 3GS it is supposedly around a 60% profit margin.

Yes, it's different. They don't allow clone computers running Mac OS anymore. It almost killed them last time. It would kill their Mac business this time too. Their product sells well because of the combination of the hardware and OS X. Remove any of either advantage, and the business would collapse like it did last time (this is based on historical facts, and as such not baseless).

How long do you think Apple can survive as a iPod only shop ? How much jobs would be lost if the Mac business went belly up ? All because of a few kids that feel a sense of entitlement.

You're setting up a straw man here. No one is suggesting Apple turn into a iPod shop. You remind me a lot of the people on the Blizzard forum who argue every time Blizzard changes something that it's going to kill WoW, yet WoW is doing just fine. And just the same, someday when Apple opens up OS X, and I do believe it will eventually happen, they'll do just fine as well.
 
It's a product released by Psystar. What did you expect? Quality? Testing? Support?

so i am still using the rebel efi disc to boot up into snow leopard until i can find a way to obtain it...free because i dont want to pay $50 for a code.

Wow. You're even looking for a way to rip off the pirates??


Did I complain? did I say I expected support ? Testing ? Quality? no... Its a trial that im using anyways.

Im not "ripping" off pirates. you make me sound like im a pirate. I own macs/apple stuff... a spare copy of snow leopard etc etc.

You should go to bed your obviously one of those people who stick around in a thread causing fires
 
Well it doesn't like cpio:

Code:
prometheus:test pygmy$ cpio -id < initrd 
cpio: Unrecognized archive format: Inappropriate file type or format: Inappropriate file type or format

It's not gzipped, so I dunno, maybe it's not a Linux initrd..

Did you try just running file on it to see what kind of file it is recognized as ? example :

# file /kernel/genunix
genunix: ELF 32-bit MSB relocatable SPARC Version 1

I am guessing FREEBSD is thinking the same thing.

And what would the FreeBSD people be thinking about ? Who exactly is not respecting the BSD license ? :rolleyes:
 
People here aren't debating whether Apple will sell its new hardware. Its why on earth would some people waste their time building a hackintosh or fighting the EULA?

There will always be a few who want to circumvent, get it on the cheap (or even free), and disrespect the rights of the company. Not enough to matter.

Ignore them, like you would anywhere else. If they don't represent the majority of Apple's market, they don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Apple can't (and shouldn't) address everyone's personal needs and requests. That's life. You have the opportunity to go with a different company. So do it.
 
Answer me this question... Does MS make computers?

Hugh

No? What difference does that make?

One is bundeling a browser with an os. The other one is bundeling hardware with an os.

And I'm in bed now :p
 
Love it time to update

haha, love this, going to have to pull out one of my old PC and see how it does, that said, xmas comes its iMac time. If apple was just OS X then I could see this been a hit, and yes for those who would never have bought a Mac this may get them to use it. Will that be such a bad thing? Not sure yet.

But for me those new i7 imac are just what the doctor ordered and considering the quality of the monitors as well as all metal (do i like that big time) I don't see people who could afford it walking away from mac hardware. Apple for the most part has done a great job of balancing small and thinness with power in their new line of products.
 
Did you try just running file on it to see what kind of file it is recognized as ? example :

# file /kernel/genunix
genunix: ELF 32-bit MSB relocatable SPARC Version 1

Yeah, it just returns Data. I ran file on the osxlinuz file though:

Code:
prometheus:test kellyl$ file osxlinuz 
osxlinuz: isolinux Loader

Now, I'm not sure if that's just the loader program, or if I can extract it. I tried gunzip, uncompress, and unzip...
 
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