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It has nothing to do with computing and everything to do with the current generation's strong sense of entitlement. The world owes them, they don't owe anything to the world.

If a 20 something today was to make the JFK speech, it would go like this : "Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you".

+1 on this comment. The concept of working hard for a reward is gone.
 
I agree, but in our current system (as you are aware), we don't get to own the software, we license it. So we have to do what the publisher of said software wants us to do. I would prefer that, as long as I respect the copyright, I could do whatever I want in the privacy of my own home. Hey, if I buy a book, I can read it, or I may choose to burn it or fashion it into underwear. It's my choice - I own that book, just not the words within. As long as I'm keeping it myself, I should be able to legally do that with software.

....which, i presume, is why apple has so far left the hackintosh community alone, but gone after a company that tried to make money out of hackintosh wisdom.
a publisher doesn't care whether you burn your book or read it backwards, but he will care when you reprint the book at home and start selling your home made copies.
 
a publisher doesn't care whether you burn your book or read it backwards, but he will care when you reprint the book at home and start selling your home made copies.

Except for the French :) In Europe, several countries have something called "moral rights." So an artist can prevent a bona fide purchaser of one of his paintings from, for example, hanging it upside down or painting a moustache on it. It's an interesting concept, to say the least.
 
imagine if this think had been around in the 80 or 90

haha, imagine if this had been back when apple sued microsoft, they would have closed microsoft down also, would have been an interesting different world. things sure have changed since those days, wonder where copyright laws will take us, does not hold well for real innovation or true competition. :(
 
10 year period of time ? It's the generation born after 1985 ish. It's way longer than 10 years. The "enfant roi" generation. In fact, there's many psychological and anthropological studies about it.

And it's not about having had it tougher, it's about "strong sense of entitlement". If you'd work with a 20 something or younger (and if you are a 20 something or younger you don't realise this) you'd know how their work ethic sucks and how you're to blame for their every mistake. They just never take responsibility for their acts. It has nothing to do with me having had it tougher, it's just that I recognized that if I want something, I have to work for it.

i absolutely agree with you, but we could ask ourselves: "how did this entitlement generation come to be?" - they are after all "our" children, so i guess we did something wrong when teaching them values etc... just a thought.
 
Exactly. They want a Ferrari, but whoaaaa!!! Kia makes a car for 1/10th of the price! Ferrari is way too damn expensive! Why the hell did the police shut down that guy that used to sell stolen Ferraris for the price of a Kia?! I mean, Ferrari should be thrilled with that, there will be a lot more Ferraris on the streets!!!!!!

All I see is Greed is Good. Long live Greed, best dam thing we ever made.

Can't afford a top line apple product, then learn to take money from others with what ever Greed based way you can, for some its higher education, with other is selling products that don't do anything, or maybe just scam it like so many do.

But if you want a free ride, there is non, in the end the free ride of the past are gone, Greed rules and that how it should be. Greed is truly the mother of inventions. Not everyone of course is greedy, haha, not everyone can have it all, or for that matter much of anything. :D
 
It has nothing to do with computing and everything to do with the current generation's strong sense of entitlement. The world owes them, they don't owe anything to the world.

If a 20 something today was to make the JFK speech, it would go like this : "Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you".

+1. Well said.
 
Except for the French :) In Europe, several countries have something called "moral rights." So an artist can prevent a bona fide purchaser of one of his paintings from, for example, hanging it upside down or painting a moustache on it. It's an interesting concept, to say the least.

yes, this is true, however we're entering a different playing field here, since a painting is an original, and a book is a printed work.

ie, you can buy a reproduction of a painting by da vinci and paint a moustache (i presume you are referring to marcel duchamp, right?) but of course you can't buy a painting by da vinci and scribble on it.

usually when you buy a painting you enter into a complex agreement, including the artist's right to borrow the painting for museum shows, and you promise not to deface or allow the work to perish.
 
Why has computing made people not understand laws? I had someone this morning try to tell me that because he bought an MP3 it was his and he could do with it whatever he wanted, including giving the files to other people. Just wow.

Are you being sarcastic? I fail to see anything wrong with that.
 
It has nothing to do with computing and everything to do with the current generation's strong sense of entitlement. The world owes them, they don't owe anything to the world.

If a 20 something today was to make the JFK speech, it would go like this : "Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you".

One might argue it has less to do with the 20 somethings just entering business and the market now and more to do with the baby-boomers/spawn of the 'greatest generation' that raised those 20 somethings and screwed most everything else up at the same time. :p
 
haha, imagine if this had been back when apple sued microsoft, they would have closed microsoft down also, would have been an interesting different world. things sure have changed since those days, wonder where copyright laws will take us, does not hold well for real innovation or true competition. :(

i am wondering where this argument stems from that there is 'no competition', indeed that apple is 'closing down the competition'?

can somebody point me towards an example of apple stopping an individual or company from creating an OS - designing a computer, and offering them for sale?

i don't believe that taking somebody else's work, repackaging it and offering it for sale can constitute 'competition' in anybody's mind
 
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I don't see any particular reason why I as a consumer should not be allowed to build my own computer with the parts I select and install whatever operating system I choose. I understand that Apple doesn't want to have to support all hardware combinations but vendors could specify which hardware is Mac compatible. Instead, my only option is to buy Apple's premium hardware. I own an early 2008 iMac and think it's a great machine; I just think, for the price, I could have built one with better specs.
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I don't see any particular reason people think they have some kind of "right" to do whatever they want in regards to operating systems. You didn't develop the software, you don't support it. It's not your product. It's Apple's. And it's Apple's right to sell that product under whatever terms they feel is best for them as a company.

You want to chose your OS...lot's of choices out there. Linux, various BSD distros, Solaris, and more. You want to run other OS's, Windows, AIX, HP-UX, Solaris Sparc, OS X, then you have to deal with the terms by which the companies that own those products sell them, whether the product is tied to a particular platform or licensing model.

You want to run OS X on something other than Apple hardware, then get off your duff and go put the time in to figure out hackintosh. Or save your pennies and get the Apple hardware you can afford.

As far as specs and prices go...that "premium" you are paying for is for an integrated hardware and OS platform. You're paying for something that pretty much "just works". You're paying for Apple's excellent support. You're paying for a computing experience that you don't get buying from Dell, HP or other vendors.

The value is not solely in the hardware. The value of buying Apple is in the complete experience.
 
Apple's Pricing

I love Apple and what they make. I use quite a few gadgets from them.
However, I can't help but to feel sad that Apple's competition has been shut down. I know, legally they violated this and that... nevertheless, I am often taken back by the prices of Apple products and since there is no direct competition in their line, they can price things at higher level. One may argue the quality, etc., but still.

The talk of Apple's pricing is always bothersome to me. Let them price their products however they like. With over 90% of the market using computers that are extremely accessible and inexpensive, Apple can exist as a niche product without affecting the market as a monopoly. I would love to buy a Ferrari but I'm taken back by the price, should Ferrari lower their price so I can afford to have one, no, they will tell me to buy a Ford or chevy which are inexpensively accessible and they have the right to do so being a niche product. I think you get my drift.

Remember, the original iPhone was $499 (Laughed Balmer), now its $199 soon to be $99. Macbooks are now $999....Apple is lowering prices based on demand...remember, as a company orders parts in greater quantities, they get price breaks and factor in the growing and forecasted growth of demand....Apple is passing those breaks to the customer.
 
It has nothing to do with computing and everything to do with the current generation's strong sense of entitlement. The world owes them, they don't owe anything to the world.

If a 20 something today was to make the JFK speech, it would go like this : "Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you".

Isn't that the freaking truth. Good lord am I seeing this more then ever in my current position. How true this is. Not everyone but it seems like a good majority of people I supervise who fall under this category.
 
Are you being sarcastic? I fail to see anything wrong with that.

i presume YOU are being sarcastic?

if you're not, i presume you have never had a creation of yours bought once and then passed around - without you earning a cent, and then finding it hard to pay your rent, because all customers are just 'giving it to other people' instead of buying it from you?

for those proclaiming that music 'should be free' - imagine the musician who composed and recorded the music telling his landlord: 'rent should be free', and his grocer: 'everybody took my music without paying me, so i'm going to take your food without paying'.

(this is of course part of a bigger situation, a stupid & arrogant music industry etc. but the basic premise of 'i should be entitled to all the music i want free of charge' is morbid.)
 
I agree, but in our current system (as you are aware), we don't get to own the software, we license it. So we have to do what the publisher of said software wants us to do. I would prefer that, as long as I respect the copyright, I could do whatever I want in the privacy of my own home. Hey, if I buy a book, I can read it, or I may choose to burn it or fashion it into underwear. It's my choice - I own that book, just not the words within. As long as I'm keeping it myself, I should be able to legally do that with software.
You can already do that with software! Most free software (Linux included) is under the GPL which basically allows you to modify the software to suit your needs and it only requires that you provide the sources in case you plan to distribute ($$ or not) your custom version.

Thanks,
Joe.
 
I'd love to see Rebel EFI brought to court. It would be funny to make them prove it's just code stolen from the osx86 folks.

Like what happened with EFI-X? @******s stealing other people's hard work for their own profit. Capitalism at it's worst.:mad: I'm a big fan of the OSX86 community. Haven't gone Hackintosh myself yet, but I'm casually following their work.
 
As far as specs and prices go...that "premium" you are paying for is for an integrated hardware and OS platform. You're paying for something that pretty much "just works". You're paying for Apple's excellent support. You're paying for a computing experience that you don't get buying from Dell, HP or other vendors.

The value is not solely in the hardware. The value of buying Apple is in the complete experience.

There's a lot of truth to that. I've used Apple's support service on a number of occasions and I've always been impressed by how they handle support. They are fast, don't ask stupid questions, and do a good job. I think my iMac is a very solid computer. I've had few problems with it.

In reality, I've never built my own computer for personal use. I suppose my thoughts really were that I feel that the Psystar decision was like a pivot in possible future timelines. That is to say, we're further away from the possibility of having OS X on non-Apple hardware.

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I personally would like to see Apple license Mac OS X to other PC-manufacturers. I don't thank Apple will ever be able to truly compete with Windows (in terms of computer market-share) until that happens.
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