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...Why should anyone be doing any research or going through any learning curve to be able to use tech and make it work?? Is that supposed to be fun? learning about something you shouldn't have to? No good for the average consumer. There's already enough of a learning curve with Windows.

That's bad engineering. It needs to be dirt-simple and dead-easy. Unless you're in love with the PROCESS of getting things to work (read: tinkering.) Some of us (most of us) don't have the time for that. We have things to get done.

I know people in their 70s in the local Senior Citizens group that have managed to learn how to do more complicated things with computers than installing OSX on a PC would require.

"Bad engineering"? What do you want -- a magic wand?
 
In other news, Dell will be selling a version of the Mini 10 with an Atom N270 CPU. This means it'll be using a GMA950 for graphics instead of the GMA500 that is unsupported in the current Mini 10.

So, assuming the new Mini 10 has the same guts as the Mini 9, hackintoshing it should be a breeze.

And let's not forget the high-res 1366x768 display option for the Mini 10. Perfect for OS X.

Also, for the people bleating on and on about hackintoshes being 5 seconds away from being useless bricks due to Apple not supporting them: Do you realize how stupid you sound? If you're savvy enough to install Leopard on unsupported hardware, you're smart enough to be on the lookout for news regarding updates that could potentially break your system. This problem virtually disappears if you've installed from a retail copy, making your fear mongering sound like the mad ravings of a froth-mouthed fanboi.
 
Thats what mac gets for dragging their feet....They are suppose
to be a computer company on the "cutting edge" New products
seem to take to long to come out.
 
Psystar is already breaking the DMCA.

All the folks who want to see them do well are really doing Apple and its entire user-base a serious disservice. Putting OS X into the hands of a fly-by-night operation and letting them run with it (due to extreme shortsightedness) does not bode well for the OS, or those very things that make it so attractive in a Windows-dominated world.

Exactly. Big business is already on shaky enough ground from a moral standpoint. I'd hate to see Psystar's style of business upheld.

If someone can't afford a Mac, don't get a Mac. Or get a used one. Apple isn't obligated to sell to everyone's needs. And they seem to be doing just fine so far.

If a legit company wanted to crate a computer experience like the Mac's by developing their own software (or using something that permitted development) that would be fine. I'd be very interested, because there's a lot of stuff about Apple I'm not thrilled with these days. But, they're no more entitled to install OS X on their hardware than Microsoft or Dell. They'd just be taking Apple's work and profiting from it.

Also, for those who like to install OS X on PCs, Psystar is ruining it for you, too. Apple never really cared much about end-users doing the Hackintosh thing. It wasn't worth their time to put in much effort. But with companies like Psystar out there, especially if they WIN, you can bet Apple will do whatever they need to do to lock it down. And before you cry, "They can't do that, they'd be a monopoly!" remember that that has already been debunked, in the courtroom.

And about netbooks, that whole craze has pushed a lot of plastic and silicon out into the market and the world at large, but hasn't made many people much money. So I don't really see that Apple has missed any boats business-wise. As far as getting talked about, maybe, but they don't have any problem getting themselves talked about anyway.
 
I know I could get flamed for this, and I'm all for competition, but I can't endorse how Prystar is trying to conduct their business. I'm not arguing about licensing or end user restrictions, or any legalities. I know Apple isn't perfect either, it's just not how I would conduct myself and my business.
 
Thats what mac gets for dragging their feet....They are suppose
to be a computer company on the "cutting edge" New products
seem to take to long to come out.

Are you kidding?

New iPods, new iPhones, new notebooks, a new Shuffle . . . all Apple does is keep a blistering pace in terms of development. iMacs and the Mini were recent exceptions, granted, but Apple has a very wide product line and most of it gets refreshed regularly. That's a helluva lot more than what can be said about others.

They're just "dragging their feet" on a product YOU happen to want. Netbooks are most certainly not "cutting edge." At all. Take a notebook, take stuff out, make it smaller and more cramped and then price it to the point where you're lucky to even turn a profit. That's not cutting edge. It's an interim solution. And Apple has already partially addressed that with the iPhone, and if they'll ever bother to release a smaller form factor notebook or a larger form factor iPod-like device, it'll rdefine the whole category.

Netbooks as they stand today are recession candy. That's all.
 
Psystar has had my interest for some time. A netbook is something that would make a nice replacement for a sibling's iMac G4.
 
I know I could get flamed for this, and I'm all for competition, but I can't endorse how Prystar is trying to conduct their business. I'm not arguing about licensing or end user restrictions, or any legalities. I know Apple isn't perfect either, it's just not how I would conduct myself and my business.

I don't see why you'd get flamed for being reasonable and farsighted.
 
Go Psystar. If Apple won't make the computers people want, someone elese should.

And they do. TONS of them. Netbooks breed like rabbits, not that a lot of money is being made. But why should they get to put Apple's OS X on it?

If the end user wanted to, fine. Whatever. Even Apple ignored that one for the most part. But why should another COMPANY be allowed to do whatever they want with someone else's product.

That's the difference. There not just a consumer. I can get the argument (though I don't know that I agree, but I get where its coming from) that an end-user/consumer should be able to (largely) do what they want with something like that which they've purchased.

But Psystar isn't an end-user/consumer, they're a company in it for the profit.

Companies do this kind of re-branding and dealing and cross-promotion kind of stuff all the time, but that's just it, they're DEALS that the two companies entered into together. Apple is not interested, and yet Psystar thinks they have a right to continue anyway.
 
They are supposed to be a computer company...

They're too busy playing with Apps on their iPhones these days! :p

I for one am happy to hear this news. My GLW has been talking for quite some time about netbooks, I'd be more than happy to pick something like this up for her. I was considering making one myself...but if someone is going to save me the trouble! :D

Personally I don't want a netbook but I understand why people like them. A lot of people are forced to spend more money than necessary on a laptop that essentially they're only going to use to surf, email and watch the occasional youTube video. It has nothing to do with the current economic climate that these netbooks are becoming more popular it has to do with the fact that people have accepted that you only need enough power to get the job done. Why throw money away?!

Netbooks are not a fad and I believe that Apple is indeed stumbling when they should be picking up the ball and running with it.
 
That's bad engineering. It needs to be dirt-simple and dead-easy. Unless you're in love with the PROCESS of getting things to work (read: tinkering.) Some of us (most of us) don't have the time for that. We have things to get done.


Then you shouldn't be buying a Psystar either, because even if the initial legwork is done, it's still a hacked together effort that'll potentially break with the next update.

The Hackintosh idea is neat only because I like to tinker in my spare time, but at no point would I recommend it to anyone that wants stuff to just work.
 
They're too busy playing with Apps on their iPhones these days!

And then you complain about/want/beg for xyz features on that same iPhone and write about how you can't wait until the next rev.


Then you shouldn't be buying a Psystar either, because even if the initial legwork is done, it's still a hacked together effort that'll potentially break with the next update.

The Hackintosh idea is neat only because I like to tinker in my spare time, but at no point would I recommend it to anyone that wants stuff to just work.

A completely reasonable view. Agreed.
 
Apple: please don't follow the hype!

Last week I bought myself a Dell mini to check out what all this netbook buzz was about. Evidently I installed OS X to figure out if such a combo was any good.

Believe me: both are rubbish. The Dell is one of the better netbooks, and it still is garbage. It looks and feels like a Vtech toy! In combination with XP the thing is unworkable, and in combination with OS X it's bearable at most. The thing is not even worth the Euro 249,- I payed for it.

I think Apple has hit the sweet spot with the iPhone/iTouch and the MacBook. Please, please, please, no more netbooks.

B.t.w. My Dell will be up for sale at eBay soon. I'm already fed up with it.
 
competition is good. i hope that they do this, to put more pressure on apple to make their own version

If Apple starts smelling money, they'll be happy to make a netbook. And they'd probably make a nice one that got lots of oohs and ahhs.

Problem is there just isn't much money in the netbook segment right now. The amount of press and talk of netbooks is astounding, but that doesn't therefore mean they make good business sense for a company like Apple.
 
psy-rumours

looks like were going to need a whole new genre of blog, PSY-RUMOURS.
Creating that rss folder now!
 
I'll go on the record with *LTD* and say I think Psystar are just a bunch of crooks.

It is one thing to personally Jail Break, or buy a product and attempt to use it as you wish. I also personally think it's ok to share information on how to do such things because, if for no other reason, we can learn a lot about software and gear in the process.... and knowledge is always good. IE: do what you want with that Retail box of OS X and share the knowledge for others to try at their own risk.

It is not ok to Hack someone else's code and sell it as your own product. This is what Psystar is doing. They are attempting to steal Apple customers with Apples own software. Well Apple doesn't make what I want.... cry me a river. Go elsewhere. Or better yet write your own OS and compete head to head. Of course Psystar can sell those garbage systems cheaper. They don't have a fraction of the development overhead. Hell, their margins might even be higher than Apple's since they don't have the overhead. But of course since they don't keep any records we may never know.

And yes I am a share holder and I expect Apple to protect my property that is in their care.
 
I'm curious: is there anybody who is against the idea of Psystar clones riding the grey area of EULAs, yet has unlocked their iPhone?

Again, end-user doing something for their own personal benefit vs. a corporate entity doing something commercially for a profit.

That said, no, I haven't unlocked... I love my iPhone, couldn't live without it, but I'm not on the cutting edge of using all its features or anything. I doubt I've even synced with my Mac this YEAR. So the extra stuff you can do by unlocking holds no real sway over me. ;)
 
looks like were going to need a whole new genre of blog, PSY-RUMOURS.
Creating that rss folder now!

note! I'm English & so I use the CORRECT spelling ;)

Hmm, you might have used the correct spelling, but you forgot to use correct punctuation. There is an apostrophe in we're :D
 
competition is good. i hope that they do this, to put more pressure on apple to make their own version

i dont think a company who is illegally using Apple's OS can put pressure on them to do something they stated they have no interest in doing.
 
And then you complain about/want/beg for xyz features on that same iPhone and write about how you can't wait until the next rev.

Er...I don't own an iPhone!

I appreciate your passion for Apple...but you do know that they're a mean money grabbing company like everyone else?! The may pretend to be all friendly and easy going....but they're in it for one thing....and they want a lot of them!
 
Phystar is the Devil!!!

I am disgraced that a company get away with this, they need whipping out of business quicker than dell server crashes. Get them off the planet now, Phystar sucks its cheap plastic Junk, no one wants Mac OS X on crap cheapo hardware what costs like 99c to make. We want quality, and Mac OS X makes the experience.

Apple Rules, :apple:
 
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