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Which then raises the question, if it was so open & shut as suggested so often on here, why has Apple not stopped them already? Surely they would have had a court in place to prevent Psystar from selling anything with OSX on it or included in the packaging?

A good question. The answer is: Psystar can thank the US court system. A quote from the court filings:

CASE MANAGEMENT SCHEDULING ORDER: Discovery due by 6/26/2009. Jury Trial set for 11/9/2009 07:30 AM in Courtroom 9, 19th Floor, San Francisco. Motions due by 8/20/2009. Pretrial Conference set for 10/26/2009 02:00 PM in Courtroom 9, 19th Floor, San Francisco. Signed by Judge William Alsup on 11/7/2008. (whasec, COURT STAFF) (Filed on 11/7/2008)

So in the middle of July 2008, Judge Alsup set the date for a jury trial to November 2009. "Discovery", that is the phase where both parties can ask the other side for any relevant information and evidence, was supposed to end on June 26th, about six weeks from now.

However, during discovery, Apple ran into a slight problem: Psystar claims that the information Apple asks for does not exist. Like bank statements. Invoices. Invoices for MacOS X boxes. Sales information. When Apple took a deposition from Psystar's CEO (Psystar was asked to send someone who would know about their business and sent their CEO), a total of 90 questions were answered with "I don't know". So they went to the court, and the judge decided that "the dog ate my homework" is not an acceptable excuse for Psystar, so they have up to May 18th at noon to supply all the information Apple asked for. If the information is not available to Apple by then, Apple will have the right to take depositions past the June 26th deadline.
 
A good question. The answer is: Psystar can thank the US court system. A quote from the court filings:
Very nice summary. I will make a note of these dates and keep track of things as the time draws nearer. Thank you!

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@ Digital Skunk:

You're right. And just like in real life, there's a lot of screaming "me! me!"s on here who are just plain stupid little s***s. MacRumors is truly a reflection of the so-called "meatspace," since far too often high proportions of people "in real life" behave and act (in public, no less!) exactly the same way.

Obviously, Psystar was founded by people who, at a minimum, felt they could "just do" what they wanted. Put this down to ignorance, arrogance or pig-headed stupidity, it really doesn't matter. Psystar doesn't either civilly or legally have the right to do what they're doing because, frankly, they didn't go about it the correct way. It really saddens me to see how many people on here prove their complete ignorance when they try to argue that Psystar somehow has the right to, or is justified in what they're doing, whether or not they try to argue on the grounds that Apple's "not having done X or Y or Z" somehow through divine transmogrification of morality legitimizes it or gives Psystar the right.

I would love to see Apple put premium but more reasonable pricing on their laptop line-up. I'd love to see Apple go back to making mini-towers. However, they aren't doing any of those things, and so, in these tough economic times (I speak personally in this regard) I have done the necessary thing and bought hardware from someone else. However, you don't see me on here just carrying on like some little child.

The sheer lack of critical thinking and reasoning skills on this board really saddens me; it really, truly does. You have options, people, and just sitting here belly-aching about what Apple has or hasn't done with their product line-up proves your own stupidity, lack of dignity and self-respect.

If you don't like Apple's business decisions -- and yes, I "get" there are holes in their product line-up -- then why the h#ll don't you go back to using Windows? You can have all the hardware choice in the world then. Don't like what's available? Then build your own d*mn box!

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If you want Apple to change their business policies, you cannot simply sit on your @ss. Get up and go do something about it! Start a letter-writing campaign! Build a Hackintosh and send Apple an email telling them they got an OS sale out of you, but not a hardware one. Do something that's actually productive, but don't just keep coming back here to MacRumors to bitch and whine and complain about how Apple's somehow screwing you or other computer users. More complaints and irrational negativity we don't need -- there's enough of that out there in the real world. And frankly, I'm getting a bit tired of seeing one thread after another on MR devolve into nothing but just griping.
 
Yup they go out at night and steal the boxes from the local Apple stores, didn't you see the news reports?


I know you are playing coy but in fact theft of those retail boxes is likely why Apple is insisting on receipts showing they actually paid for the copies they have and didn't 'five finger discount' them.
 
I guess im too confused to make a valid point on my opinion for this one.

I enjoy apple being "self sufficient" and putting out great products. My worry would be someone elses product with apples OS having issues and putting a sour taste for apple in a lower priced consumers mouth.

IF that makes sense
 
I guess im too confused to make a valid point on my opinion for this one.

I enjoy apple being "self sufficient" and putting out great products. My worry would be someone elses product with apples OS having issues and putting a sour taste for apple in a lower priced consumers mouth.

IF that makes sense

Thats why Apple is suing Psystar for trademark abuse - to prevent their trademarks from being abused and tarnished without their consent.
 
I guess im too confused to make a valid point on my opinion for this one.

I enjoy apple being "self sufficient" and putting out great products. My worry would be someone elses product with apples OS having issues and putting a sour taste for apple in a lower priced consumers mouth.

IF that makes sense

that makes perfect sense and i agree 100%
 
That would be interesting to find out. Ooh, can you imagine the brou-ha-ha over if the original discs are stolen? OMG!

One of my neighbors worked at an Apple store for a while and I asked him about folks stealing the OS and he told me that it was and probably is one of the hottest items to shoplift. He figures his store (a mid size here in LA) lost 2-3 copies a week. especially when it was a new release. he says going green with smaller packaging made it a lot easier to lift and walk.

I enjoy apple being "self sufficient" and putting out great products. My worry would be someone elses product with apples OS having issues and putting a sour taste for apple in a lower priced consumers mouth.

IF that makes sense

yeah it makes sense. the typical user isn't going to consider that whatever Psystar did to the OS might be the cause of any trouble.

I'd never buy anything from Psystar. They look cheap.

the lack of even decent tech support would stop me in a heart beat.
 
On a side note, Apple is really missing the boat here.

Next week's Best Buy ad features Netbooks on the front page


http://s645.photobucket.com/albums/uu178/franchise1/BB051009/?action=view&current=BB-0510-01.jpg

missing the boat? their boat got sunk in dry dock

http://www.futurelooks.com/ces-2009-msi-unveils-the-x320-macbook-air-clone-netbook/

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...buts_macbook_air_rival_new_netbook_in_us.html

just as thin (1.94cm vs 1.98cm) twice the number of everything usb ports, video, etc, etc, COMES with HDMI, 2.5HDD so you can do a 500GB upgrade or SSD. REMOVABLE BATTERY, you can go between 4 and 6 cell, also its 10 hours battery life.
 
missing the boat? their boat got sunk in dry dock

http://www.futurelooks.com/ces-2009-msi-unveils-the-x320-macbook-air-clone-netbook/

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...buts_macbook_air_rival_new_netbook_in_us.html

just as thin (1.94cm vs 1.98cm) twice the number of everything usb ports, video, etc, etc, COMES with HDMI, 2.5HDD so you can do a 500GB upgrade or SSD. REMOVABLE BATTERY, you can go between 4 and 6 cell, also its 10 hours battery life.

I didn't think the MacBook Air nor this copycat from MSI were considered netbooks.
 
Mac Netbooks

in USA one Domain is registered under Mac-netbook.com
in Europe- Germany another similar Domain is also registered under Mac-netbook.de ... they say if u c smoke there is fire somewhere :)
 
in USA one Domain is registered under Mac-netbook.com
in Europe- Germany another similar Domain is also registered under Mac-netbook.de ... they say if u c smoke there is fire somewhere :)
I think that somebody trying to squat a domain. That's not proof of much unfortunately.
 
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