True, it's hit or miss with Flash, but there are a zillion websites that still use it and Apple is offering us no alternative way for accessing these sites.
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Pull My Finger is allowed but NO to FLASH or Sling
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True, it's hit or miss with Flash, but there are a zillion websites that still use it and Apple is offering us no alternative way for accessing these sites.
Why should Apple support a horrible standard (well, actually it's not even a "standard," which is entirely the point)? Flash would severely compromise the stability and security of the iPhone - so basically to appease a few ignorant customers Apple should cripple the product for everyone? I don't think so.
I'll agree with you there, but an anecdote.
A friend called me and wanted to know how late a mall was open. I went to their Web site and got hit with a "you need Flash!" message. Well, didn't help. Called the mall through the YP mobile app. Got one of those automated machines that told me normal hours. Looked online at home, their "special hours" have started.
So there are times when we need flash on iPhone. As I have mentioned multiple times, just worry about making a Safari plug-in that doesn't totally kill battery and is fairly stable. Give us an off switch, and let us decide how to use it. If battery life was the end all, be all, we wouldn't be allowed to watch video.
Because of its big screen and its connectivity, the iPhone is absolutely suited for live video streaming. Flash would give us this, Slingplayer would give us this - we have neither. Orb is a glimpse of what is possible but really not that satisfactory. We need it to be standalone.
It would increase my already high satisfaction level by about 50% if I could have these facilities.
Not holding my breath but surely this could be a massive selling point.
It would increase my already high satisfaction level by about 50% if I could have these facilities.
Not holding my breath but surely this could be a massive selling point.
Don't forget about Silverlight. Netflix streaming on iPhone? Sweeeeeeet. I know there are techincal issues to all of this, but it seems too important to leave stuff like this off in the long run.
And other phones have or will have all these capabilities... while the iPhone drops further behind. Even Nokia is installing Silverlight.
At the very least, it'd be handy to be able to view Flash-based videos. Almost every news site uses them.
As for those who blindly repeat "but Flash will use more battery", the iPhone already is in that situation with its lengthy special effect transitions. They're pretty, but not real smart on a mobile device. Mobiles need switches to turn all these kinds of things, from Flash to built-in slides, off.
1) Flash video sucks on the desktop. It's not gonna be any better on a mobile CPU.
2) Have you actually used the Flash implementations on other phones? I have. They suck. A lot. They're slow, unstable, and totally incapable of streaming video in a way that doesn't make me wish a slow painful death upon the developers of the plugin.
3) Core Animation's not that battery-intensive. It's GPU accelerated, and the chip in the iPhone isn't very power hungry.
4) Nokia's installing Silverlight. And? No, really -- why does this matter? Silverlight is Microsoft's abortion of a Flash competitor, and with the exception of a couple early adopters (read: sponsored rollouts) it's virtually unused. Even if it were popular, supporting proprietary web formats is not a good thing, and I'm glad Apple's not taking part.
Have most of you forgotten?
Have most of you forgotten how CRAPPY flash is on a Mac? Imagine it on the iPhone!
The problem lies in Adobe and turning their back on Macs, at least in terms of the Flash player. A full screen YouTube video should NOT make the fans on a MBP turn on full blast, whilst a QuickTime video doesn't, in HD!
The iBook I have can handle quicktime videos in decent quality, but on YouTube videos it is all choppy, figures, its Adobe's crappyness.
Have most of you forgotten how CRAPPY flash is on a Mac? Imagine it on the iPhone!
The problem lies in Adobe and turning their back on Macs, at least in terms of the Flash player. A full screen YouTube video should NOT make the fans on a MBP turn on full blast, whilst a QuickTime video doesn't, in HD!
The iBook I have can handle quicktime videos in decent quality, but on YouTube videos it is all choppy, figures, its Adobe's crappyness.
Slingmedia is coming to the iphone, People should really use the search feature on this site. there has been a thread on the slingplayer coming to the iphone for a few months now. I have posted the link below so you can see topics and answers to questions you may have, and already answered.
Sling has stated that Blackberry will be released first then the iphone, Sling is coming we just have to be patient.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/540861/
Sling has stated that Blackberry will be released first then the iphone, Sling is coming we just have to be patient.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/540861/
Exactly. I bolded the key words for you. I can list many iPhone features that have been "coming to the iPhone for a few months now." It's not about being patient, it's about coming to terms that they are being delayed/held-back indefinitely for a very defined reason and perhaps may never come.
Show me where you can back up your thought.
I wont hold my breath, because you cant. If you go to the sling web forums you will find a poster by the name of Megazone who is the beta test manager for Slingmedia, Read the other thread and you will see links to the forums on slings site where megazone gives info that sling IS coming and WILL be released after blackberry.
Show me where sling or Apple or AT&T has said that sling is being Delayed/Heldback Indefinitely
Again I will not hold my breath.
Show me where sling or Apple or AT&T has said that sling is being Delayed/Heldback Indefinitely
Apple doesn't say, and probably won't say, even if they were. They just keep an app "In Review", for months and months potentially, without ever giving the developer a definite date for a review. That's happened to several developers.
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Sling has already said that they are not done with the app, stuff has changed in the 2.2 update and they are working to get things right. I have heard it all before in the other thread,People say "Apple will reject sling or AT&T will not allow this on the network."
#1. Apple approved Orb on the app store to stream over EDGE 3G and WIFI, There is no reason that Apple will not approve sling.
#2. AT&T already allows Sling to be used on there network on the windows mobile smart phones.
If you look at the other thread you will see where I have posted links to slings forums and you can read what the beta manager himself has said about the app and that they are still working on it.
Beta Managers Name on The Thread is MegaZone
Sling Forum link #1
http://www.slingcommunity.com/blog/...PRO-HD-Catcher-Pre-Orders-and-more.../?page=1
Sling Forum Link #2
http://www.slingcommunity.com/forum...pproval-for-iPhone-SDK-It-s-about-the/?page=1
Happy Reading
#1. Apple approved Orb on the app store to stream over EDGE 3G and WIFI, There is no reason that Apple will not approve sling.
#2. AT&T already allows Sling to be used on there network on the windows mobile smart phones.
If you look at the other thread you will see where I have posted links to slings forums and you can read what the beta manager himself has said about the app and that they are still working on it.
Beta Managers Name on The Thread is MegaZone
Sling Forum link #1
http://www.slingcommunity.com/blog/...PRO-HD-Catcher-Pre-Orders-and-more.../?page=1
Sling Forum Link #2
http://www.slingcommunity.com/forum...pproval-for-iPhone-SDK-It-s-about-the/?page=1
Happy Reading
They have a very good reason to not approve Sling. People will be able to use their SlingCatcher through this app. SlingCatcher is one of Apple TV's greatest competitors. Apple has shown over and over they abhor direct competition. You still can't even watch your Apple TV content on the iPhone (yet), so why would they let their competitor do so?
As we have seen with MMS, a feature that AT&T is perfectly fine with does not equate to Apple embracing it. AT&T are clearly marching to a different tune.
It's wonderful that different forums are saying that Sling is developing this application. However, developing an application does not mean Apple with accept it into the app store. See: Adobe Flash, Opera Mobile, XRoad GPS, MobiSpine MMS, ShopSavvy, and every other app developed that is available on Cydia.
This is very true. Apple uses this tactic to avoid bad PR. While they won't outright reject an app (unless there are obvious reasons too), they will let it sit in the review process for months. Sometimes the developer just gives up and ends up pulling the app.
Here are 2 apps (ActivMMS and ShopSavvy) that have been in the "approval process" since late summer:
http://www.qwasi.com/Our_Work/iPhone_Apps/
http://www.biggu.com/2008/11/13/why-...vvy-on-iphone/
Here is the link saying that ActivMMS has been being heldback in Guantanamo, oh, I mean the app store approval process. The guy that developed this app, "Dave," states in the comment section that this app has been in the approval process for months:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-10115856-233.html?tag=mncol;title
Slingmedia is coming to the iphone, People should really use the search feature on this site. there has been a thread on the slingplayer coming to the iphone for a few months now. I have posted the link below so you can see topics and answers to questions you may have, and already answered.
Sling has stated that Blackberry will be released first then the iphone, Sling is coming we just have to be patient.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/540861/
Yeah, I think it will arrive in the App Store on the same day that the Sirius/XM App hits. Don't hold your breath.
The iPhone is already capable of live video streaming. Take a look at the YouTube app. Neither Flash nor Slingplayer nor Orb is a prerequisite for video streaming.
All Apple has to do is say, no sling catcher, but I doubt that will happen. Sling will have a full app on the app store.
When has Apple ever stated that AppleTV can or ever will do what a slingbox does? Dont Hold your Breath because they have never said it. They would have to redesign the whole Thing to have the capability that a slingbox does.
AT&T had nothing to do with what goes on the iPhone, ie. MMS, Copy Paste. That was all Apples call. Apple decided not to include these features on the phone.
Sling is not a feature on the windows phones either, it is an added on App that they pay sling for. AT&T does not regulate what people download and put on there phone.
SlingMedia Player is an App not a feature. AT&T has no control over what goes on the app store unless an app goes against the rules that AT&T have set. ie Tethering.
Orb Live was approved on the app store BY APPLE, and has not had any issues from Apple or AT&T about them streaming live TV or XM/Sirius to the iphone. So please tell me what the difference is between Orb streaming Live TV to your iPhone, and Slingmedia doing the exact same thing?
It is not just different forums, it is the Beta Manager from Sling Media. THE GUY WORKS FOR SLING. If he said it than I am going to belive it until someone can show me where another person from sling has stated on there site that sling app for the iphone is dead.
Also, A company is not going to waste time and money to hire a developer just for the iphone if they didnt think they could go anywhere. Apple and sling have talked behind closed doors when the first iphone came out about sling coming to the iphone.
If you dont want the sling app on your iphone thats all well and good, but to come on to this thread and try to state your opinion as fact and no articles to back you up. Where did you think that was going to get you. Do your research before you go off saying that "Apple will not let sling on the app store."
When you Bring Proof and can backup what you are saying, Then I might give you some credit.
You're a man (woman?) after my own heart. I quote you only so that everyone might read what you posted again, because it (as do other points mentioned) pretty much shuts down any argument for Flash on the iPhone.
I want to thank everyone who put in their thoughts on this. I certainly stured the pot and it looks like the majority don't want Flash. I just took a few hours to experiment with my computer with a HDTV tuner, DirecTv, and Orb. HEY, It WORKS. I watched a movie I recorded from the PC - on 3g, and watched any channel I selected off DirecTV - and YES, through the iPhone 3g I've had for 23 days. Clear enough, a little lag even in WiFi ( for the satellite and internet shows, not the recorded movies though) but I can tinker more. So I won't need a flash to watch Netflix or Hulu since I can watch other things. Still would be nice though to have Apple or ATT TV. But it goes through the battery OH MAN YES. It's a nice stop gap until/if ever Sling/Apple make up their minds. hhhmmmm, I paid $10 for a program opposed to $100+ for a Slingbox. Thanks again for all the input ~ now, Apple and Sling, pull my finger. ed
Oh gosh, I don't even know where to start with your trainwreck of a post.
You ask for "proof" from me, but you offer none that Apple will accept Sling.
Good, your arguing my points now. Where in my post did I ever say AT&T decides what goes on the iPhone? I argued that they didn't - they have zero decision power. So it doesn't matter that other AT&T phones have Sling. You initially argued that since other AT&T phones have Sling, so will the iPhone.
Here, I'll save you time:
But, Apple does. I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Who ever said AT&T regulates what goes on iPhone.
See above.
It really wouldn't matter if Blake Krikorian himself called you up and told you they had a fully developed Sling iPhone app, he is not Steve Jobs and Jobs is the only person who decides what goes on the app store (not Mr. Beta Manager.) No one here is arguing that Sling is not preparing a Sling app.
Oh, really! They had "closed door discussions?" I won't even ask you for a link for that one. Does this mean the Sling App has been in development for about 2 years, since the first iPhone came out? As for a developer wasting his time; I have already listed a handfull of fully developed, big-time apps that died within the App Store approval process.
All the "proof" you have been posting is from the angle of Sling developing an iPhone app. I certainly don't dispute this. That is very true. What is unknown, is whether Apple will accept this app and all you do is offer speculation. I have posted instances where Apple rejects an app for no apparent reason. It certainly can and will happen again. It doesn't matter what the Beta Manager says, he doesn't decide what is accepted to the app store. Go ask the "Beta Manager of Adobe Flash and Opera Mobile and all the other fully developed apps Apple rejected. So all supposed "proof" is no proof at all.
Please see the other posts in this thread about why Sling will not make it through the app approval process and stop arguing about this Beta Manager. We get it, Sling is developing an app.
You ask for "proof" from me, but you offer none that Apple will accept Sling.
AT&T had nothing to do with what goes on the iPhone, ie. MMS, Copy Paste. That was all Apples call. Apple decided not to include these features on the phone.
Good, your arguing my points now. Where in my post did I ever say AT&T decides what goes on the iPhone? I argued that they didn't - they have zero decision power. So it doesn't matter that other AT&T phones have Sling. You initially argued that since other AT&T phones have Sling, so will the iPhone.
Here, I'll save you time:
Sling is not a feature on the windows phones either, it is an added on App that they pay sling for. AT&T does not regulate what people download and put on there phone.
But, Apple does. I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Who ever said AT&T regulates what goes on iPhone.
See above.
It really wouldn't matter if Blake Krikorian himself called you up and told you they had a fully developed Sling iPhone app, he is not Steve Jobs and Jobs is the only person who decides what goes on the app store (not Mr. Beta Manager.) No one here is arguing that Sling is not preparing a Sling app.
Oh, really! They had "closed door discussions?" I won't even ask you for a link for that one. Does this mean the Sling App has been in development for about 2 years, since the first iPhone came out? As for a developer wasting his time; I have already listed a handfull of fully developed, big-time apps that died within the App Store approval process.
All the "proof" you have been posting is from the angle of Sling developing an iPhone app. I certainly don't dispute this. That is very true. What is unknown, is whether Apple will accept this app and all you do is offer speculation. I have posted instances where Apple rejects an app for no apparent reason. It certainly can and will happen again. It doesn't matter what the Beta Manager says, he doesn't decide what is accepted to the app store. Go ask the "Beta Manager of Adobe Flash and Opera Mobile and all the other fully developed apps Apple rejected. So all supposed "proof" is no proof at all.
Please see the other posts in this thread about why Sling will not make it through the app approval process and stop arguing about this Beta Manager. We get it, Sling is developing an app.
I never once in all of my post's have I said Apple will accept sling. I have said however that Orb can do similar things that sling can do. Now since Apple let Orb onto the app store, Pay attention because this is where I have to spell it out for you. There would be no reason to reject sling. Yes this is my opinion, But until Sling submits an App and Apple rejects them, you have no argument.
as for other apps being rejected, Here is the web site for Xraod GPS, they are not rejected, it says that they will be on the app store mid December.
http://www.xroadgps.com/Maps/GMapforiPhone/tabid/2463/Default.aspx (Proof)
At the start of this thread, Pull my finger was rejected, but apple changed their mind and now, They are on the App store.
My point is this, Apple has final say what goes on the App store. Unless it violates terms set by AT&T (ie. Tethering - Which AT&T is now in talks with apple to develop a plan to allow Tethering.)
Apple is changing their minds on what can go on the app store.
About Sling, All I have ever said is that, Yes Sling is developing an app and when it is done they will submit it to Apple.
About Apple, Apple will not have any reason to not accept sling into its app store. They did accept Orb.
You said that "You still can't even watch your Apple TV content on the iPhone (yet)" You said Yet, Please show me where Apple has even hinted that AppleTV will do the same thing or that they even have plans to go down that road to allow AppleTV on the iphone.
Right here:
If you have been following that website, you'll know they have been updating it intermittently over the last 2 months, further pushing back the release date. First it said "soon," then it said "late November," then "early December," now "mid December." It'll likely be updated again soon to say "late December" as it is "mid December" now and still no XRoad.
The truth is, XRoad has no idea when it is coming out. They have a better chance consulting a crystal ball than trying to guess when Apple is going to approve their app. So, no, XRoad isn't coming out soon. And Apple would never reject it - this will garner a very poor public image. They'll likely let it rot in the approval process instead.
You didn't just compare an app that streams live cable over an iPhone to a fart noise maker, did you?
Apple loves dodging/shutting-down competition and loves promoting their own products and systems to improve their bottom line. They probably will trying to integrate Apple TV into the iPhone somehow. But, yes, I have no proof of this.
I really believe we are arguing two different things here. I am arguing against the Draconian ways of the App Store approval process. To outsiders (us), the app store approval process is very quirky, seems counterintuitive, unpredictable, and sometimes downright bizarre.
The fact is, I would love Sling support, just like you. I own a SlingCatcher. If we get Sling support, I will be able to watch my SlingCatcher content on my iPhone. That means that I will be able to watch NetFlix movies or Hulu from my iPhone (2 things that are currently prohibited on the iPhone). Apple really won't like this as it will cause serious competition with iTunes and erode its profit. This is a huge conflict of interest for Apple. Furthermore, this may cause people to go out and buy a SlingCatcher instead of an Apple TV because the SlingCatcher does everything the Apple TV can do and much more. This will cause further lost revenue for Apple. It is really not in Apple's best financial interest to allow Sling into the App Store. But, like you, I would love it because if this is the case, then for once, in all Apple's decisions, the customer finally wins.
I do agree with you on Apples approval process needs to change to better please us as customers.
I compared the two apps becasue it was an app that was rejected then approved.
I think that we can agree to disagree, But if you look at the thread on Orb Live app, People were saying the same thing that you and others are saying.
"Apple wont approve it"
"Will Only be WIFI"
I belive that at some point Apple will Allow Sling onto the APP Store. But Time will tell. 9 to 5 Mac has reported that Sling app has been submited to Apple for aproval but not sure how true this is. I have sent a message to My friend at sling and will keep everyone informed.
I compared the two apps becasue it was an app that was rejected then approved.
I think that we can agree to disagree, But if you look at the thread on Orb Live app, People were saying the same thing that you and others are saying.
"Apple wont approve it"
"Will Only be WIFI"
I belive that at some point Apple will Allow Sling onto the APP Store. But Time will tell. 9 to 5 Mac has reported that Sling app has been submited to Apple for aproval but not sure how true this is. I have sent a message to My friend at sling and will keep everyone informed.