XIII said:God knows how long its been going on.
Exactly, It could have been going on forever or for just two seasons. Nobody knows so we can't say.
Even then, they were not fixing games, just influencing which ref they had.
XIII said:God knows how long its been going on.
dynamicv said:OK, Italian football's top league is Serie A, the next one down is Serie B, then you have multiple serie Cs divided by geography. Only Serie A sides ever compete internationally, where there are millions of pounds (or billions of rand) at stake for every match. These four clubs have been punished by taking them out of the Italian top flight and have been moved a league lower. Therefore they will lose millions in lost TV revenue, and cannot realistically qualify for international competition for at least another two season, further punishing their finances.
The minus points thing means they start next season with a penalty. As their current teams are made up of Serie A standard players, without this it would be likely they would dominate the lower league and immediately earn promotion. The penalty acts as a handicap to ensure that other Serie B teams still have the same chance of promotion they would otherwise get.
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True, but whatever happens all clubs are out of the European competitiions. Italy wants to punish those that get caught. Over the past 50 years the country has had too much corruption. The people are sick of it.ScubaDuc said:All of this thread is rather academical since the FIGC sentece was only the first level and all teams involved have announced appeals. The second trial is expected to finish on the 25th
Didn't Milan and Lazio get caught cheating right around 1980...and they were relegated then to...?XIII said:It's very possible they just haven't been caught match fixing until now.. God knows how long its been going on.
Yep. They were both relegated to Serie B in 1980 over illegal betting made on their own matches.ham_man said:Didn't Milan and Lazio get caught cheating right around 1980...and they were relegated then to...?
BakedBeans said:Know much about the history of football do you?
BakedBeans said:They have been a very successful club throughout history, not just the last couple of years.
FleurDuMal said:And what about everything they won before the match fixing? They've been a succesful club for many, many decades now.
XIII said:It's very possible they just haven't been caught match fixing until now.. God knows how long its been going on.
BakedBeans said:Even then, they were not fixing games, just influencing which ref they had.
Atlasland said:The punishments were certainly not too harsh. If anything AC Milan's punishment is too lenient - though it's hardly suprising, seeing as how the club president is Silvio Berlusconi, one of the most powerful men in Italy.
Applespider said:They've said they will be appealing the ruling. Perhaps the points differential will be reduced slightly as a sop during the appeal?
Applespider said:Looks like we called it right.
Lazio and Fiorentina now both stay in Serie A but with larger point differentials, AC Milan get their penalty cut but Juventus stay in Serie B although do get the points sop which should mean they avoid relegation to Serie C
Diatribe said:Which basically means that Milan could even play the Champions League and Juventus will probably be up in the Serie A the next season.
Now if I had a top club in Europe I'd refuse to play Milan in the Champions League. This entire thing is a joke. It's like a clap on the butt and a "don't do it again" nothing more.
MongoTheGeek said:Probably not that there is much comparison, in the US such things have been dealt with lifetime bans...
Diatribe said:Which basically means that Milan could even play the Champions League and Juventus will probably be up in the Serie A the next season.
Now if I had a top club in Europe I'd refuse to play Milan in the Champions League. This entire thing is a joke. It's like a clap on the butt and a "don't do it again" nothing more.
Don't panic said:can uefa refuse them (AC milan)?