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tpivette89

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So I've been thinking about upgrading my RX 480 and have been doing some price searching between Vega cards (the 56 and 64), as a RX 580/590 wouldn't be a justifiable upgrade to me. I noticed Newegg offers the Sapphire Vega 64 for $410... for the performance, and compared to the price of the Vega 56, this seems like a good deal. However, I have recently heard that AMD may possibly announce a new GPU line at the upcoming CES show in early January.

I suppose one would could wait the 3 weeks for the announcement, but it could turn out to be underwhelming and the Vega 64 would still be the best option. The only problem with that, is the prices could go back up by then, and I would end up paying more for the card than I would right now.

Anyone have any leaks or insight to the upcoming "Navi" cards? Any opinions on which way to go?
 
So I've been thinking about upgrading my RX 480 and have been doing some price searching between Vega cards (the 56 and 64), as a RX 580/590 wouldn't be a justifiable upgrade to me. I noticed Newegg offers the Sapphire Vega 64 for $410... for the performance, and compared to the price of the Vega 56, this seems like a good deal. However, I have recently heard that AMD may possibly announce a new GPU line at the upcoming CES show in early January.

I suppose one would could wait the 3 weeks for the announcement, but it could turn out to be underwhelming and the Vega 64 would still be the best option. The only problem with that, is the prices could go back up by then, and I would end up paying more for the card than I would right now.

Anyone have any leaks or insight to the upcoming "Navi" cards? Any opinions on which way to go?

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-navi-everything-we-know,38242.html

https://wccftech.com/amd-rx-3080-30...gtx-1070-gtx-1060-challengers-at-249-199-129/

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-navi-rtx-2070-250/

https://www.techspot.com/news/77769-our-take-amd-zen-2-cpu-navi-gpu.html

TL;DR
Unless you have a big, juicy billable need for a faster GPU within the next 90-120 days, I would really recommend waiting.
 
Not really... just want the best bang for may buck. Honestly, the RX 480 is probably good enough for my current needs, but I just feel like it's getting outdated and an upgrade will not only boost my workflow now, but well into the future. Just don't want to drop money on a card to have it eclipsed a month or two later.

I guess I didn't realize other companies don't announce things like Apple does: "you can preorder it now, and it will be available next week".
 
Not really... just want the best bang for may buck. Honestly, the RX 480 is probably good enough for my current needs, but I just feel like it's getting outdated and an upgrade will not only boost my workflow now, but well into the future. Just don't want to drop money on a card to have it eclipsed a month or two later.

I guess I didn't realize other companies don't announce things like Apple does: "you can preorder it now, and it will be available next week".

I had been looking at the RX580, Vega 56 and Vega 64 cards for a while to use in an eGPU. I held off earlier this year due to lack of availability and the crypto-mining boom driving prices sky high. When prices began dropping, my interest was rekindled. Prices have dropped precipitously, but they are still not low enough to make me pull the trigger. Added to that, rumors have been ongoing for the past 12-18 months about Navi, 7nm, Vega Instinct, et al. and with expectations around the next iteration of the iMac, I was apprehensive that AMD had GPUs up its sleeve to put into a Late 2018 iMac introduction. Those rumors have not materialized, and with it being so close to the end of the RX5xx, Vega 56 and Vega64 series GPU before new ones would be introduced.

If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion, wait. My logic is this -

- AMD gave zero warning that they were going to release the Radeon RX590, although the rumor mill was abuzz for at least 45-60 days before the press release and the tweet that AMD used to let us know the RX590 went on sale. Although only a few AIB makers had cards ready to that and they were in limited supply, it was possible to purchase one via New Egg or Amazon that day.

- The RX3060, 3070 and 3080 are perfect candidates for the next iMac. The advantage being that you get native support out of the box once Apple updates macOS after the iMac ships. You also get to see how the cards perform in the iMac and that can serve as a gauge as to what card you might want.

- I cannot tell what eGPU you currently use, but will it support a Vega 64's power requirements? Looking at Sonnet Tech's website, a Vega 56 requires the eGFX 550 Breakaway Box and the Vega 64 needs the eGFX 650 Breakaway Box due to the Vega 64's power usage. If you have a box that can handle the Vega 64, no worries, but if not, then you may need to upgrade the PSU in your current eGPU box, so that would be an added expense. Matching the PSUs that some of the eGPU vendors use is not cheap based on my research.

While I certainly cannot say when the next GPUs from AMD will ship or when Apple will release an iMac with that GPU, the wait might well be worth it to buy a card at the start of a generation and enjoy more years given how many years we typically get out a GPU generation at this point.

However there is one huge CON to my argument in that we may be waiting until June before we see a new iMac, given that Intel has not released all of the 9th Gen CPUs that Apple needs to complete the range - if they intend on skipping 8th Gen (Coffee Lake) CPUs altogether. Intel did the same thing with 8th Gen using a staggered launch in Q3/Q4 2017 and finished up in April of 2018. Should Intel do the same thing here, then June is the earliest we would see new 21.5" and 27" iMacs with new AMD GPUs, which would then give you native support out of the box.

If you would prefer not to wait that long then perhaps there are still some deals to be had through Christmas and New Year. Good luck!
 
I gave a brief rundown of the CES schedule and AMD's expected announcement here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/external-gpu-egpu-resources.2154653/page-14#post-26925454

It seems probable that the AMD announcement will be at a press conference on 6-7 January, more likely the 7th, or in conjunction with Lisa Su's keynote speech on the morning of the 9th. Of course, AMD could also make its announcement shortly before CES begins.

Estimates for the release of the Navi line of video cards range from the first quarter of 2019 to the final quarter of 2019. It is not known what, if anything, will happen with the Vega cards. The articles linked in post #3 all relate to the same single source of rumours. The articles are mostly noteworthy for disagreeing on how much credit to give those rumours.

With the end of the cryptocurrency mining craze, I think that it is highly unlikely that prices of AMD's current video cards will increase; indeed, I think that they will coalesce around their 2017 launch prices or lower.

Apart from gamers, in my view very few people will see a significant benefit from a Vega card. I imagine that those who would would know it already. My personal view on this question is here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/external-gpu-egpu-resources.2154653/page-13#post-26907392.

As between the Vega 56 and the Vega 64, the performance of the 64 is perhaps 10% better. On this, it is worth looking at benchmark results posted in the thread linked above, as well as at the many articles and YouTube videos that come to the same conclusion. Also, if purchasing a Vega 64 card, it is important to look at the specs. At least one requires three, rather than two, 8-pin power supply connections.
 
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I noticed Newegg offers the Sapphire Vega 64 for $410... for the performance, and compared to the price of the Vega 56, this seems like a good deal. However, I have recently heard that AMD may possibly announce a new GPU line at the upcoming CES show in early January.

Newegg has extended holiday returns:

https://promotions.newegg.com/nepro/16-6780/index.html

I'm not super familiar with newegg returns - not sure if restocking fees or return shipping charges apply
 
Vega Mobile was announced at CES and it only appeared with the new MBPs at the end of October.
 
You get three 2019 games worth $180 when you buy a Vega card from a participating retailer.

If there are still codes left.
 
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You get three 2019 games worth $180 when you buy a Vega card from a participating retailer.

If there are still codes left.

The cards are still being sold with codes. Also, while the games are Windows only, 9 to 5 Mac is saying that the mini plus an eGPU will run Bootcamp/Windows games: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/external-gpu-egpu-resources.2154653/page-14#post-26932745

As of today, Newegg is selling the Asus Vega 56 for US$400, which is a pretty interesting price. See the post immediately after the post about 9 to 5 Mac's discovery.
 
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The cards are still being sold with codes. Also, while the games are Windows only, 9 to 5 Mac is saying that the mini plus an eGPU will run Bootcamp/Windows games: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/external-gpu-egpu-resources.2154653/page-14#post-26932745

As of today, Newegg is selling the Asus Vega 56 for US$400, which is a pretty interesting price. See the post immediately after the post about 9 to 5 Mac's discovery.
They are also selling the Sapphire Vega 64 for the same price. As long as your equipment can handle the power requirements of this card, why not opt for the more powerful version?
 
You would not opt for any Vega card with a reference air cooler except when buying for liquid.
 
You would not opt for any Vega card with a reference air cooler except when buying for liquid.
Why not? Did they design these with inadequate cooling right out of the factory? Would the factory reference cooler, plus the fan in an eGPU not be enough?
 
Why not? Did they design these with inadequate cooling right out of the factory? Would the factory reference cooler, plus the fan in an eGPU not be enough?
Blower style cooling in consumer cards tends to be annoying, and such Vega cards are reputed for being particularly bad.
 
Blower style cooling in consumer cards tends to be annoying, and such Vega cards are reputed for being particularly bad.

The blower cards do however work well with he VGATab software to control fan speeds, temp and frequencies. Most of the AIB multi fan models have high speed fan issues. Talk about annoying, 30 seconds after boot the fans go to 90% at idle.

Check out the new AMDRadeon6000HWServiceskext in macOS Mojave. It has the beginnings of Navi support. Navi9, Navi10, Navi12, and Navi16. Still no controller kext, or AMDRadeon6000kext yet but a new AMD device ID 0x73101002, which is very close to the old Fury card. Apple looks like one of the main beta testers for Navi.

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The blower cards do however work well with he VGATab software to control fan speeds, temp and frequencies. Most of the AIB multi fan models have high speed fan issues. Talk about annoying, 30 seconds after boot the fans go to 90% at idle.

Check out the new AMDRadeon6000HWServiceskext in macOS Mojave. It has the beginnings of Navi support. Navi9, Navi10, Navi12, and Navi16. Still no controller kext, or AMDRadeon6000kext yet but a new AMD device ID 0x73101002, which is very close to the old Fury card. Apple looks like one of the main beta testers for Navi.

navi-amd6000kext-png.363339
Nice find, thank you, I will be definitely waiting for Navi, I will survive with HD630 till then.
 
Nice find, thank you, I will be definitely waiting for Navi, I will survive with HD630 till then.

I plan to do the same. I just want a low-mid end card that can run several high res monitors with scaling. Hardly a taxing task, but there's no point buying an RX 580 when I can just wait a month or two.
 
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