It's a Sapphire Pulse RX Vega 56, with 8GB ram. Yes, it's strange that my 56 have nearly the same fps as a 64...
Perhaps the programs that KennetS had worked in the background have had some influence.
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It's a Sapphire Pulse RX Vega 56, with 8GB ram. Yes, it's strange that my 56 have nearly the same fps as a 64...
Perhaps the programs that KennetS had worked in the background have had some influence.
The connection doesn't go from the Razer Core X to the monitor. It goes from the GPU that is in the Razer Core X to the monitor. The GPU will have HDMI and DisplayPort ports. As I understand it, your monitor has a USB-C port.
I stand to be corrected, but it sounds like you'll need an HDMI or DisplayPort to USB-C cable. With luck, someone here has that setup, or knows it better than I do, and can confirm or correct.
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If I may, one more question. How do you find the Vega 56 for noise and heat?
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The card is inserted into the Sonnet eGFX Breakaway Box 550W, and even under heavy load is reasonably quiet and only warm, not hot.
Unigine "Valley" benchmark at maximum "Extreme HD" settings gives this results:
So, happy camper here.
Further to posts #253 and #254, here is the result for an RX 590 on the same settings (see Mode and Preset in the photo) and a 32" screen.
So for average FPS:
RX 590: 40fps
Vega 56: 57fps
Vega 64: 61fps
So for average FPS:
RX 590: 40fps
Vega 56: 57fps
Vega 64: 61fps
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So is mine. Looking at earlier posts from @Poakwoods, his mini apparently has 16GB of RAM.
I know that screen resolution makes a difference for this test; don't know whether screen size does as well. The Extreme HD Preset is only available for Full Screen, which in my case is 32".
My first test of the RX 590 (post #257) was full screen on a 32" monitor, native resolution 3840x2160, at a resolution of 1920x1080, 8x anti-aliasing.
Here are two more tests that might be useful if you're trying to figure out how to get the best out of the card. They are for 1920x1080 and 2560x1440 windows, 2x Anti-aliasing, quality High.
[doublepost=1544196008][/doublepost]Considering the Cinebench and Unigine Valley scores together, it appears that the Vega 56 will deliver about 50% better performance than an RX 590 at the highest settings. I don't know what to make of the Vega 64 scores, which are closer to the Vega 56 than I would have expected.
Here are two more tests that might be useful if you're trying to figure out how to get the best out of the card. They are for 1920x1080 and 2560x1440 windows, 2x Anti-aliasing, quality High.
[doublepost=1544196008][/doublepost]Considering the Cinebench and Unigine Valley scores together, it appears that the Vega 56 will deliver about 50% better performance than an RX 590 at the highest settings. I don't know what to make of the Vega 64 scores, which are closer to the Vega 56 than I would have expected.
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I came across this YouTube video that directly compares the performance of the RX 580 and Vega 56 in popular games at 1920x1080, 2560x1440 and 3840x2160. It also includes power and temperature comparisons, as well as the overall scores for a fairly recent Unigine benchmark that is not available for Mac. The benchmark result is at 03:07.
[doublepost=1544221252][/doublepost]And here is a video comparing the performance of the new RX 590, overclocked, and a stock Vega 56 in seven games at 1920x1080 and 2560x1440. There is an average of the seven games at 03:00.
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I am considering the purchase of a Vega 56 GPU from Newegg and I would like to pass on what I have just learned via an online chat with them about their return policy.
I want to stress that I am talking about a purchase in which Newegg itself is the vendor (it is not the only vendor on its site), during the currency of what Newegg calls its Extended Holiday Return Policy.
Under those circumstances, I will be responsible for the following if I open the box and then return the GPU for a reason other than a defect, presumably a defect that I can prove:
1. the cost of shipping the GPU back to Newegg; plus
2. a "restocking fee" equal to 15% of the purchase price.
I do not know whether Newegg's policy outside of its Extended Holiday Return period is the same or is more restrictive.
Also, I'm not complaining about this, I just wanted to know what the rules are and thought that I'd pass on what I've learnt.
I want to stress that I am talking about a purchase in which Newegg itself is the vendor (it is not the only vendor on its site), during the currency of what Newegg calls its Extended Holiday Return Policy.
Under those circumstances, I will be responsible for the following if I open the box and then return the GPU for a reason other than a defect, presumably a defect that I can prove:
1. the cost of shipping the GPU back to Newegg; plus
2. a "restocking fee" equal to 15% of the purchase price.
I do not know whether Newegg's policy outside of its Extended Holiday Return period is the same or is more restrictive.
Also, I'm not complaining about this, I just wanted to know what the rules are and thought that I'd pass on what I've learnt.
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I have bought a few computer related items for Newegg. Usually because of the savings. Never had any issues. This conversation is getting me excited ...Newegg has the SAPPHIRE Radeon RX VEGA 64 - Item#: N82E16814202326 for $409.00 OMG. $447.00 in the cart w/free shipping. The only problem is i want to run native 10.14.2 ?? No custom EFI boot drive or some other solution that makes me swap cables. Want that login screen.
...Newegg has the SAPPHIRE Radeon RX VEGA 64 - Item#: N82E16814202326 for $409.00 OMG. $447.00 in the cart w/free shipping. The only problem is i want to run native 10.14.2 ?? No custom EFI boot drive or some other solution that makes me swap cables. Want that login screen.
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This conversation is getting me excited
I'm in a situation where I can exchange the RX 590 for a Vega 56 but I'm having a hard time justifying it from a productivity perspective.
I'm satisfied that a Vega 56 would improve gaming performance at a resolution of 2560x1440, but it's unclear whether it will be "better" than an RX 590 for Final Cut Pro editing, and, if so, exactly how. At the moment, there is not much in the way of objective testing about the real world productivity benefits of an external GPU, let alone as between an RX 580 or 590 and a Vega 56 or 64. It becomes a question of how much one is prepared to spend to experiment.
This video by Max Yuryev is sobering:
In Activity Monitor, one can open up a window dedicated to showing what the GPU is doing (⌘4). It's helpful, but all it actually shows whether the current task in the application is GPU intensive.
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People are saying that science has shown that productivity is a direct function of happiness (increased happiness leads to increased productivity). It is also the case that happiness is a direct function of X-plane settings (the higher the settings, the greater the happiness). Therefore, productivity will increase as one moves from an RX590 to a Vega 56.
Great video from Max. Thanks!
From all of searching and reading i have done in regards to the Blackmagic it's a no go for most. Unless you own the LG Thunderbolt monitor or you really like the way it looks. lol.
It seems when pushing big data streams back and forth through a eGPU over Thunderbolt there could be a bottleneck resulting in a 10 to 20 percent loss in performance compared to having the video card installed internally. Not a mini option. There is some good threads on eGPU.co on this topic. This testing was on the PC side but would think same for Mac os. (Im often wrong).
BUT i'm very curious if a Vega card 56 or 64 will run native on !0.14.2??? and if SO what brand. ANYONE testing this?
Trying to say away for too many sudo commands on the semi virgin mini (Homebrew.sh)
Trolling: One could go down the path of conspiracy that Apple is holding off on incorporating the Vega drivers into Mojave so not to hurt the sales of the Blackmagic?....
I also want more GPU juice out my eGPU box. For Final Cut, Motion, Conduit and others. It's hard to wait with prices dropping.
Cheers
From all of searching and reading i have done in regards to the Blackmagic it's a no go for most. Unless you own the LG Thunderbolt monitor or you really like the way it looks. lol.
It seems when pushing big data streams back and forth through a eGPU over Thunderbolt there could be a bottleneck resulting in a 10 to 20 percent loss in performance compared to having the video card installed internally. Not a mini option. There is some good threads on eGPU.co on this topic. This testing was on the PC side but would think same for Mac os. (Im often wrong).
BUT i'm very curious if a Vega card 56 or 64 will run native on !0.14.2??? and if SO what brand. ANYONE testing this?
Trying to say away for too many sudo commands on the semi virgin mini
(Homebrew.sh)Trolling: One could go down the path of conspiracy that Apple is holding off on incorporating the Vega drivers into Mojave so not to hurt the sales of the Blackmagic?....
I also want more GPU juice out my eGPU box. For Final Cut, Motion, Conduit and others. It's hard to wait with prices dropping.
Cheers
You're very persuasive.
My new graphics card, an Asus Vega 56. Should arrive Wednesday.
While deciding whether to purchase this, I had a look at European pricing. There appear to be more sources, and the cards seem generally to be priced better before VAT. That suggests that there's more room to move on U.S. pricing.
The other thing that I discovered is that the custom Vega cards didn't actually come onto the market until last December/January, five months after AMD released the reference cards. Apparently there were manufacturing issues.
I've probably spent more time than I should have reading about the differences between reference and custom cards. They differ quite a bit in how heat and cooling are handled, and it remains unclear to me which is better, if either, for an external GPU enclosure. In any event, there are things about the Asus heat dissipation and fan system that I like, so I anted up.
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Later this week, I'll be in a position to test using a GPU enclosure to run RX 590 and RX Vega 56 cards. I'm going to test using the usual benchmarks, and I hope to devise a few Final Cut and Compressor tests using 1080p and 2160p files. If anyone has specific tests that they would like me to run with these or another application (e.g. Lightroom, Logic), and can provide me with the test material via Dropbox or a URL, let me know. One caveat to this. I realise that Handbrake is popular, but I don't have it on my mini and I don't know it well enough to use it for tests.
I also intend to assess the difference between an RX 590 card and an RX Vega 56 card when it comes to heat and noise.
Cheers
I also intend to assess the difference between an RX 590 card and an RX Vega 56 card when it comes to heat and noise.
Cheers
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Hey @Meatsuit,
What do you mean by "run native [on Mojave]" and "holding off on incorporating the Vega drivers into Mojave"?
Mojave does support the Vega cards. Mac OS didn't initially (hence the convoluted discussion with Asus Support, discussed earlier in this thread, about using a Vega card in the Asus XG Station Pro), but it does now and there's no magic going on in the external enclosures.
The issue doesn't seem to be Mojave support for the AMD RX 500 series cards or Vega 56 or 64, but support for Nvidia cards, which is a driver issue pending resolution of differences between Apple and Nvidia.
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I ran one more Unigine Valley on Extreme HD settings after a fresh reboot and got slightly improved but quite similar results as before. From what I am reading, the Vega 64 at best benchmarks 10% above the Vega 56, which seems to be borne out by my and Poakwoods' results.
Which eGPU boxes do you all have?
I'm thinking of adding one to the mini, BlackMagic seems too expensive for what it is.
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wait i just put 2 and 2 together...
if i get LG Ultrafine 4K with the mac mini, i won't be able to use eGPU with it right, since it requires a USB-C connection? Or it will only work at half performance or something like that?
I'm thinking of adding one to the mini, BlackMagic seems too expensive for what it is.
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wait i just put 2 and 2 together...
if i get LG Ultrafine 4K with the mac mini, i won't be able to use eGPU with it right, since it requires a USB-C connection? Or it will only work at half performance or something like that?
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See posts #250 and #252.
I suspect that you just need an HDMI or DisplayPort to USB-C cable.
neat!
i found some solutions but they involve a separate PCIe converter card. oh well, not there yet, i guess i'll deal with that when i get there