Hi all, long time reader, first time poster. I've had some funds come in and I'm looking to purchase a MacBook Pro this week. I know Haswell models are right around the corner, but I'm wanting to save some money by possibly going to refurbished route from Apple's site. I should be happy enough with a ivy bridge processor as the tasks I'll be doing aren't that terribly demanding. I just don't know if I should go with a rMBP or cMBP. I know for a fact I want a 15" model. This is going to serve as mostly a desktop replacement with use in home and will only have occasional travel sometimes to my work and friends houses and various spots around the house. I'll be around a charging outlet a lot, so battery life isn't a huge issue. Reason I am considering the Retina model of course because it seems to be current design. The retina display, SSD, more thin profile, and I cannot see myself using the SuperDrive that much or other ports. Apple is selling refurbished 2012 models for $1,599 on their refurb site which seems like a very good deal to me. However I have some concerns for the retina display, mainly being the fact that every single one I've used in the apple store felt pretty hot around the keyboard area. Do these models have heating issues? I've also heard of the notorious image retention issues on the LG screens. So I almost feel like I'm taking a gamble on the screen. My biggest concern is I have heard the standard MBPs have more general UI fluidity due to not having such a massive resolution. I get concerned that the Intel HD 4000 graphics isn't enough to drive that massive resolution for day to day use. I've heard web pages scrolling can get choppy and laggy due to the resolution, this also concerns me. It IS also a first generation early adoption, so that's always naturally a concern too. Reasons for the cMBP of course is for the fact that I have heard its generally more fluid and you can upgrade the RAM and HD. This is appealing, also I get tempted to push my budget a little bit for a anti-glare model, but I still do like the retina display a lot. I just know by purchasing a cMBP I'm not going to run into much trouble. It's a established product and upgradable, which is a plus. Plus, saving a little bit of money never hurts. I think in a perfect world if the retina had no little one-off issues or laggy, scrolling webpages/UI I would definitely go the retina route, but the cMBP just generally feels like a more secure and stable purchase to me, anyone here is welcome to talk me out of that thought. I'll be using the MacBook as a general all-purpose computer. Movies/music, office apps, browsing, storing my files, and some very light gaming. (Strong emphasis on light gaming). I have a custom built desktop I use for most of my gaming. I just don't like windows laptops nearly as much and I enjoy the Apple build quality and support. I've owned a G4 PowerBook, 13" BlackBook, and a Early 08 Core2Duo 15" model. They've all by far been my best laptops, so I'm looking to get one again, 5 years later. Any input is appreciated. Thanks all. ---------- Also, any difference between the 15" retina Mid 2012 and Early 2013 models? Both refurbished models are on there, the 2012 model is for $1,599 and the Early 2013 model being $1,850. Am I missing something there? A $250 difference. Aren't they the same model?