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I’ve ordered the Xs Max, will try it for a couple of weeks and if my eyes don’t like it, I’ll return it and buy the XR next month.
 
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I posted this in the other PWM discussion thread, wanted to let you guys know as well:

I was able to talk with someone at Apple and they confirmed that the screens in the new XS phones have not changed at all in terms of PWM since last year's X. The good news is that they are aware of the issue, it's not being ignored. Here's hoping they're able to address it next year.

Also, some people were wondering if the XR might potentially have PWM, I was also able to confirm that it is completely PWM free like the usual Apple LCD screens, so at least we have that as an option.
This is an incredible statement. How legitimate is the source at Apple who told you this? This is exactly what I expected to be the case, but it sounds odd that someone from Apple would actually tell you this. Thanks for posting either way.
 
I’ve ordered the Xs Max, will try it for a couple of weeks and if my eyes don’t like it, I’ll return it and buy the XR next month.
Yeah that makes sense. I’m needing some coffee badly. No can brain yet. :p
 
The XR also has PWM flicker just fyi.
No, it most likely does not. Not sure why you would post something like this without having any knowledge on the subject.
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have you tried that fix another member posted seems like apple adresses these you just have to change some settings
https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2018/03/...to-stop-oled-flickering-in-just-three-clicks/
This does not stop the effects of PWM on the iPhone, unfortunately. The blog post has been mentioned a few times around the forum and it's been proven to not work, even with 100% brightness.
 
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No, it most likely does not. Not sure why you would post something like this without having any knowledge on the subject.
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This does not stop the effects of PWM on the iPhone, unfortunately. The blog post has been mentioned a few times around the forum and it's been proven to not work, even with 100% brightness.
it says 50% brightness eliminates it. you can test it with your own phone looking through another camera
 
it says 50% brightness eliminates it. you can test it with your own phone looking through another camera
I am no expert on measuring PWM, but I believe that happens because at 50% brightness certain iPhone cameras will sync up with the frequency of the flicker and that's why it won't show any lines, but the PWM issue is still there.
 
I am no expert on measuring PWM, but I believe that happens because at 50% brightness certain iPhone cameras will sync up with the frequency of the flicker and that's why it won't show any lines, but the PWM issue is still there.
so why would apple have a reduce white balance adjustment in the accessory settings? Whats the point of it if you have brightness level?
 
I would possibly like an Apple Watch, but I didn't realize until yesterday that they too use OLED so that will take some careful consideration.

One video I saw claimed no flickering for the Apple Watch. Also the watch is small, used only occasionally for seconds at a time, and likely to be used at high brightness. I’m much less concerned about the watch being a problem. No guarantees of course.
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I am no expert on measuring PWM, but I believe that happens because at 50% brightness certain iPhone cameras will sync up with the frequency of the flicker and that's why it won't show any lines, but the PWM issue is still there.

Makes a lot of sense. PWM is used to get brightness below 100%, so would expect some level of flicker for anything below 100%.
 
Just got an Xs Max hoping that Apple would have quietly fixed this, but to my disappointment that's not the case. The flickering is as bad as in original X and headache comes back after using it only for a few minutes..

For comparison, here is how smooth the LCD of iPhone 8 Plus is:


For further comparison, the flickering on a Samsung S4:

 
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Just got an Xs Max hoping that Apple would have quietly fixed this, but to my disappointment that's not the case. The flickering is as bad as in original X and headache comes back after using it only for a few minutes..
That looks awful :(
 
Just got an Xs Max hoping that Apple would have quietly fixed this, but to my disappointment that's not the case. The flickering is as bad as in original X and headache comes back after using it only for a few minutes..

For comparison, here is how smooth the LCD of iPhone 8 Plus is:

Thanks for posting this. Very unfortunate. Come on, Apple!

p.s. I like how you can see the MacBook backlit keyboard flicker as well.
 
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Just because the video looks awful does not mean your eyes will see it. The framerate of the video can make any LED show terrible flickering that your eyes can't see.

But the brain can still detect and react to it even if the visual part of the brain filters it out.
 
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Just picked up my Max, I went to a nearby cafe and played with it for 10 mins, got some slight eye strain with 100% brightness. Gonna try messing with the settings and see if anything changed. It's really too bad, this phone is PERFECT. I have pretty big hands, so I love the 6.5 display. Perfect screen size, excellent resolution, everything I've wanted in an iPhone.

Except that stupid PWM :(
 
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