So far all I read is one person tested this. Has anyone else tested this? Plus it sounds like there is more then one way to take care of those DRMs anyway...So someone tell me whats the point? There is nothing THEY (Companies) can do to stop people from hacking...Anyone remember Cassette Tapes? A small piece of Scotch Tape over the little cut out would let you tape over it. Same for VHS...Millions of people did it then...Millions do it now! IT WILL NEVER STOP! Best they can hope for what they have now...Rules and Laws that are only enforced for those who take advantage of the system.
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Originally posted by autrefois
Free Macs--sounds like a good idea to me!
Even if I had Windows (well, I have Virtual PC, but Windows 98 and thus no iTunes in Windows) I wouldn't try out the program because, even if we're just testing to see what this program does, isn't it still technically illegal? Or would it just be illegal if we shared the files we obtained through it?
Since this program isn't breaking any decryption but just copying what is in RAM, there should be no DMCA implications.
Also, if you are the one who owns the music, I think you can do whatever you want with it! (except give it to others)
haha, this is great
WELCOME TO THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF WINDOWS!!!
in the windows world, EVERYTHING is hacked.
i thought these hacks would have come a lot sooner. i didn't expect to wait a full month for the first hack.
one reason why i still like the windows platform: anything you want to hack has already been done, and you can find it anywhere on the web.
this just put a smile on my face when i came into work today. what did apple expect from the pc world?
-Mike
WELCOME TO THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF WINDOWS!!!
in the windows world, EVERYTHING is hacked.
i thought these hacks would have come a lot sooner. i didn't expect to wait a full month for the first hack.
one reason why i still like the windows platform: anything you want to hack has already been done, and you can find it anywhere on the web.
this just put a smile on my face when i came into work today. what did apple expect from the pc world?
-Mike
Re: Re: Re: Theft, plain and simple.
haha, I don't care a **** about the Music industry. I do not care if they all die right now. I do care about music, and I love to sit with live music in a pub, and pay the band for their performance and the booze for the bong.
I dont care if I get the Music from my local store on cd, or, just because it's sunday get it from limewire because they don't get the iTMS running where i live.
The point is - as long as it is easier to steal music, than actually buy it, one needs not wonder that people 'steal' aka get the stuff on the internet.
Now about the students - many have to pay for their studies, and surely would not mind getting those for free, as proposed in the stupid wannabe analogy I oppose.
And it's not a stupid example to point out students - because they fince the Music Industry. You can see it now, students start not buying stuff anymore, and see how the MI bleeds.
Now, there is no money for nothing, as the dire straits put it, singing about the music industry. (check it out if you want)
It's just very simple. As long as the MI don't get their fingers out to protect their music adequately, it will be 'stolen' because Music is an essential part of society, and is traditionally free - make that minus the last 50 Years.
Think about it - someone sits down to crack a protection - using his resources, using all his knowledge and time - for what? saving $10 ripping songs he bought anyway?
All in all - it may legally be theft, but it's not plain simple.
haha, I don't care a **** about the Music industry. I do not care if they all die right now. I do care about music, and I love to sit with live music in a pub, and pay the band for their performance and the booze for the bong.
I dont care if I get the Music from my local store on cd, or, just because it's sunday get it from limewire because they don't get the iTMS running where i live.
The point is - as long as it is easier to steal music, than actually buy it, one needs not wonder that people 'steal' aka get the stuff on the internet.
Now about the students - many have to pay for their studies, and surely would not mind getting those for free, as proposed in the stupid wannabe analogy I oppose.
And it's not a stupid example to point out students - because they fince the Music Industry. You can see it now, students start not buying stuff anymore, and see how the MI bleeds.
Now, there is no money for nothing, as the dire straits put it, singing about the music industry. (check it out if you want)
It's just very simple. As long as the MI don't get their fingers out to protect their music adequately, it will be 'stolen' because Music is an essential part of society, and is traditionally free - make that minus the last 50 Years.
Think about it - someone sits down to crack a protection - using his resources, using all his knowledge and time - for what? saving $10 ripping songs he bought anyway?
All in all - it may legally be theft, but it's not plain simple.
i'll try this when i get home
to everyone that has been asking if anyone on this list has tried it:
i'll try it when i get home from work.
-Mike
to everyone that has been asking if anyone on this list has tried it:
i'll try it when i get home from work.
-Mike
Shoot yourself in the foot!
PEOPLE ALWAYS HAVE TO RUIN A GOOD THING
Why is it moronic people in this world think they should get everything for free? This is a capitalist society.
That said... Why is it there are always plenty of morons out there that have this strange overbearing need to ruin a good thing? Itunes and Napster are the best things we've seen when it comes to online music. Yes you still have to pay, but you should have to. It costs money to host these things and get the rights to sell or stream them. Nothing in life is free, when we begin to believe otherwise the 'fit hits the shan'. Don't support this hack. Remember, Apple's RTU were pioneering. You couldn't get the leniency anywhere else. For people that want Apple to grow & dominate you sure do help undermine it.
As for the technical aspects of the hack... It most likely is not writing the stream back out in a playable format in an attempt to avoid legal action. We'll see how that works out. heh.
PEOPLE ALWAYS HAVE TO RUIN A GOOD THING
Why is it moronic people in this world think they should get everything for free? This is a capitalist society.
That said... Why is it there are always plenty of morons out there that have this strange overbearing need to ruin a good thing? Itunes and Napster are the best things we've seen when it comes to online music. Yes you still have to pay, but you should have to. It costs money to host these things and get the rights to sell or stream them. Nothing in life is free, when we begin to believe otherwise the 'fit hits the shan'. Don't support this hack. Remember, Apple's RTU were pioneering. You couldn't get the leniency anywhere else. For people that want Apple to grow & dominate you sure do help undermine it.
As for the technical aspects of the hack... It most likely is not writing the stream back out in a playable format in an attempt to avoid legal action. We'll see how that works out. heh.
As far as I can tell, the DRM is only there at the request of the music industry. In fact, I would suspect that the DRM probably hurts Apple more than it helps them, since, as far as I know, a lot of people won't buy from the iTunes store simply because of the DRM.
So anyways, what if Apple went along with the record labels because they had to, but made the DRM easy to crack so as to make it less of an issue to people who dislike DRM? Apple has a contract with the Recording Industry, and it's not like the Labels can just change their minds say that the deal's off because people are cracking the DRM.
So anyways, what if Apple went along with the record labels because they had to, but made the DRM easy to crack so as to make it less of an issue to people who dislike DRM? Apple has a contract with the Recording Industry, and it's not like the Labels can just change their minds say that the deal's off because people are cracking the DRM.
Re: Shoot yourself in the foot!
Quite right. It's a capitalist society. i'm one of those real good capitalists that lets people work for him for very very little.
I love beeing a Capitalist, very inexpensive. Imagine I'd be socialist and acually pay those music slaves for the music... naw, I'd rather not.
It's always the technically advanced who earn most in capitalist societies..
Quite right. It's a capitalist society. i'm one of those real good capitalists that lets people work for him for very very little.
I love beeing a Capitalist, very inexpensive. Imagine I'd be socialist and acually pay those music slaves for the music... naw, I'd rather not.
Well, they are not so bad are they? A bit like those jerky labor unions, but reasonable in their demandings. if I had to deal with those kind of people, I'd probably chosse them.
It's always the technically advanced who earn most in capitalist societies..
No, its not about breaking the encryption. DMCA is about CIRCUMVENTION of any type of digital protection.
No, not with the DMCA enacted. You can only do what the licenser lets you do.
Thats one of the controversies of the DMCA, it can override fair use. (DVD copiers for example are supposed to be illegal, at least ones that use DeCSS). If the copied file is still encrypted, it might be OK.
Quality?
I think you people are giving too much credit for people that steal music... They will not go through all this harrassment just to get a better sound to share on the internet. They will just burn the CD and re-rip it from there. Has any of you seen the quality of the mp3 files on the Napster days? Cracks, hisses, 96Kbps and less. People that steal don't care about quality, so I really don't see this as a threat at all...
Daschund
I think you people are giving too much credit for people that steal music... They will not go through all this harrassment just to get a better sound to share on the internet. They will just burn the CD and re-rip it from there. Has any of you seen the quality of the mp3 files on the Napster days? Cracks, hisses, 96Kbps and less. People that steal don't care about quality, so I really don't see this as a threat at all...
Daschund
My question is why? Why would someone go through all of this trouble when if they wanted to pirate they could just download from a p2p. I don't see why someone would make it hard on themselfs to do the same thing.
this is all a game
because.... this is the windows world!!! hacking is game. if you can do it, you win!
because.... this is the windows world!!! hacking is game. if you can do it, you win!
Originally posted by Dippo
I don't think this is really much of a hack of the Fairplay protection.
Apple will probably release a new version of iTunes and Quicktime that will prevent program from working. So be sure to hold on to the old versions
This reminds me of the internet streaming that was allowed with iTunes, it was fixed and so will this.
It defeats the protection Fairplay is intended to provide, then it basically is a hack. It is not a revers engineering or anything.
Welcome to the PC World. Whatever they make, will be broken if it is made by humans. However, eventually there will be a lack of interest.
For the RIAA, it's percentages. How many people actually use DeCSS? It's easier to catch the release of your favorite DVD at BestBuy and pay $15.
Same here. What this will do is probably ensure iTMS will remain capped at 128k.
This isn't a hack by any means. You have to be the own in the first place to even get this to work. A real hack would be able to extract an unprotected AAC file from ANY protected AAC.
A quick change of Quicktime will render this program useless.
Of course there will come a day when these AAC will be hacked, but hopefully for Apple's sake it will be awhile.
Sounds pretty tight
Well, if this is the best they can do to hack it so far, that's a pretty strong DRM. You have to have an authorized computer. So it's not like you can steal someone else's protected file and just 'deauth them'. You have to authorized your computer to play the music. Which inherantly if you have an authorized computer you can just burn them to CD or use any other number of ways to get the music.
This shouldn't have any implications to future iTunes Music Stores opening up (ie. Europe). If someone starts putting their protected music on some P2P network, they can't just use this hack to decode the dude's music. So who cares.
The DVD hack was a serious one. You could take any purchased DVD and rip the encryption clean out of it. This was because it was based on the players having the key to decrypt it. The key for decrypting purchased AAC songs is completed when you register a computer. So until they can hack the auth scheme and key generation, we're going to be fine.
Well, if this is the best they can do to hack it so far, that's a pretty strong DRM. You have to have an authorized computer. So it's not like you can steal someone else's protected file and just 'deauth them'. You have to authorized your computer to play the music. Which inherantly if you have an authorized computer you can just burn them to CD or use any other number of ways to get the music.
This shouldn't have any implications to future iTunes Music Stores opening up (ie. Europe). If someone starts putting their protected music on some P2P network, they can't just use this hack to decode the dude's music. So who cares.
The DVD hack was a serious one. You could take any purchased DVD and rip the encryption clean out of it. This was because it was based on the players having the key to decrypt it. The key for decrypting purchased AAC songs is completed when you register a computer. So until they can hack the auth scheme and key generation, we're going to be fine.
Re: Sounds pretty tight
People already take protected music burn it to a CD and rip it off. Then they upload it to these P2P sites. Just look at all the "iTunes exclusive" music that is on Kazaa!
Putting your protected music online would be a VERY BAD IDEA because they would be able to tell which iTunes account it came from and thus be able to sue you
People already take protected music burn it to a CD and rip it off. Then they upload it to these P2P sites. Just look at all the "iTunes exclusive" music that is on Kazaa!
Putting your protected music online would be a VERY BAD IDEA because they would be able to tell which iTunes account it came from and thus be able to sue you
Re: Re: Sounds pretty tight
How could they tell?
Is your account name embedded in the file?
Originally posted by Dippo
Putting your protected music online would be a VERY BAD IDEA because they would be able to tell which iTunes account it came from and thus be able to sue you
How could they tell?
Is your account name embedded in the file?
Re: Re: Re: Sounds pretty tight
Since your account is the only one that can listen to it, I assume it has some type of identifier in it that would point to you.
Originally posted by SiliconAddict
How could they tell?
Since your account is the only one that can listen to it, I assume it has some type of identifier in it that would point to you.
be carefull...
when you burn to aiff, and then re-encode to another format such as mp3, you better be using the full 320 kbps or your quality degrades again. the 128 kbps aac file is not perfect quality coming from the original source. so if you burn that half quality file to a cd, then reimport it as an mp3, you better use 320 kbps as the encoding bitrate. if you don't, you just downgrade that original 128 kbps again.
edit: changed 160 kbps to 128 kbps
when you burn to aiff, and then re-encode to another format such as mp3, you better be using the full 320 kbps or your quality degrades again. the 128 kbps aac file is not perfect quality coming from the original source. so if you burn that half quality file to a cd, then reimport it as an mp3, you better use 320 kbps as the encoding bitrate. if you don't, you just downgrade that original 128 kbps again.
edit: changed 160 kbps to 128 kbps
Re: Re: Re: Sounds pretty tight
the DRM uses the mac address of your authorized computers.
Originally posted by SiliconAddict
How could they tell?
the DRM uses the mac address of your authorized computers.
It's not surprising that this guy used QT indirectely to do this, and then stripped the entire header. In the standard m4a header, there's two huge chunks of free space. the DRM takes up one of them, and moves the ID3 tag (or whatever the AAC equivalent is called) relative to the main data. However, a C tool could probably be written to remove the DRM and restore the ID3 tag.
