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Quake 4, a game which originally shipped on the Mac in 2006, is now available on the Mac App Store for $19.99.
Earth is under siege by the Strogg, a barbaric alien race moving through the universe consuming, recycling and annihilating any civilization in their path. In a desperate attempt to survive, an armada of Earth's finest warriors is sent to take the battle to the Strogg home planet.
More importantly, unlike some older games that have recently been released as a campaign edition, without the multiplayer component, Quake 4 has full cross-platform multiplayer support, including Deathmatch, Team Deathmatch, Tourney, Capture the Flag, Arena CTF and DeadZone.

The game requires an Intel processor but has a generous list of supported video cards.

Quake 4 is $19.99 on the Mac App Store. [Direct Link]

Article Link: Quake 4, Complete with Cross-Platform Multiplayer, Arrives on the Mac App Store
 
It'd be nice if Macs had:

a) decent graphics cards
b) a headless iMac to avoid crappy mobile graphics cards and allow expansion
c) decently priced graphics cards for Mac Pros
d) CURRENT graphics cards for Mac Pros
 
It'd be nice if Macs had:

a) decent graphics cards
b) a headless iMac to avoid crappy mobile graphics cards and allow expansion
c) decently priced video cards for Mac Pros
d) CURRENT graphics cards for Mac Pros

Agree. A lot defend iMacs, but only RAM is upgradable. Mac Pro's are the only systems with power and upgradability in almost everything, and even then the graphics cards Apple offers aren't that great (although my ATI 5770 runs perfectly in my 12-Core Pro).

If Apple released a mid-tower system, with the guts of an iMac and more BTO options in a mid-tower like the Mac Pro but for what a PowerMac used to cost (~$1500), man, that would be awesome.
 
Agree. A lot defend iMacs, but only RAM is upgradable. Mac Pro's are the only systems with power and upgradability in almost everything, and even then the graphics cards Apple offers aren't that great (although my ATI 5770 runs perfectly in my 12-Core Pro).

If Apple released a mid-tower system, with the guts of an iMac and more BTO options in a mid-tower like the Mac Pro but for what a PowerMac used to cost (~$1500), man, that would be awesome.

But would you still run your games in OS X? I wouldnt. The OS X ports suck and Apple refuses to use the latest version of OpenGL even when the graphics cards have support for it.

Slapping games onto the Mac OS platform doesnt change anything when the experience in doing so sucks. Its either no games at all, or games that are dated and run half-a$$. I'll boot into Windows any day for to play any of my games, which I dont even bother playing games anymore seeing how Apple has made it perfectly clear they dont care about satisfying the needs of a PC gamer.

Though its definitely due to Apple pushing iOS instead of OS X, which is really sad, the one product that I really like from Apple and consider it to be their best product, they ignore it. Theyre not going to see much gains in the Mac OS userbase if they keep going hogwild with their obsession over tablets (a fad, in my opinion).
 
Agree. A lot defend iMacs, but only RAM is upgradable. Mac Pro's are the only systems with power and upgradability in almost everything, and even then the graphics cards Apple offers aren't that great (although my ATI 5770 runs perfectly in my 12-Core Pro).

If Apple released a mid-tower system, with the guts of an iMac and more BTO options in a mid-tower like the Mac Pro but for what a PowerMac used to cost (~$1500), man, that would be awesome.

even if it cost $2,000 that'd still be a decent price, now if the apple display cost less as well it would be a perfect world...
 
if they keep going hogwild with their obsession over tablets (a fad, in my opinion).

They're the future. They're in demand (or rather, the iPad is), and some of the biggest names in tech are betting their future on them.

And what we have with the iPad is an iPod situation.
 
It'd be nice if Macs had ... Mac Pros

When they killed OS 9 they at least had a funeral for it. It's sad watching Mac Pros rot to death.

Pretty soon the only way to game on the Mac is going to be to VNC into a gaming-capable Windows machine. Bootcamp is not worth it when your only graphics hardware is some integrated or mobile POS.
 
My personal thoughts on graphics:
Why does it matter?

Is a story made better because it can be told in HD instead of DVD quality?

Is a game made more fun because it has a mind boggling number of triangles running at a frame faster than the eye can see as opposed to being sprite based running at 30 fps?

The answer in both cases is... Not at all!

There have been great movies made in HD and there were great movies made in black and white. There were great sprite based games and there have been great realistic games. And there have been terrible movies throughout the ages and terrible games.

Graphics are severely overrated.

Also, why are they even being discussed here? My 2007 iMac runs Quake 4 in whatever the stupid high quality mode is called (Ultra? Omega? Something like that...) at over 60 fps. Quake 4 isn't exactly a top end game graphically these days.

And as much as I love the campaign, I still have the Mac OS X DVD, so I don't need to pay for it again.

... Although quick question... I recall Doom 3 had an expansion pack that wasn't released for the Mac originally... has it since been released for the Mac?
 
Really, not one comment about the game itself? :rolleyes:

This is a good game and it's feature packed as well. Glad to see multiplayer made the cut. I'm also very glad it's not like most games... expensive! This is a good $19.99. Same price was the Windows version on Amazon. Good job Aspyr! :D

I already own the Windows version, but glad to see another game coming to the Mac.
 
Graphics are severely overrated.

There are times when this is the case. However, there is a significant difference between something that is comfortable in its own skin (Super Mario World, Starcraft, Team Fortress 2) and something that would have looked completely different if the graphics technology would have allowed for it (Call of Duty games, most shooter games, Quake/Doom/etc.) These games are stuck in the uncanny valley, and anything they can do to get out of there is worthwhile.

Most FPS games are falling for the same trap as 80s-90s TV shows and movies, and most 80s music: Fighting the limits of technology instead of embracing them.

Don't make a "photo-realistic" game if graphics aren't up to the task. There's a reason Toy Story focused on the toys, and not the people. There is a reason shows from the 1960s look better than shows from the 1980s (shot on film instead of video).

If you've made a game that would look the same if it were made 10 years from now, then you've done it right. So many "realistic" games are trying to immerse you in a world. As soon as you start seeing arms clip into walls, and fake-looking flat faces with huge polygons, you lose that feeling.

Right now, I am playing "Cities in Motion" on my 15" 2011 Macbook Pro. It has an SSD drive, lots of RAM, and yet, it gets 10-20fps unless I turn all of the settings down pretty far. More importantly, it just feels sluggish and frustrating to scroll around the city. It would be nice to be able to look at the scenery with all of the shadows and effects running, because they add to the immersion factor, big time.
 
It'd be nice if Macs had:

a) decent graphics cards
b) a headless iMac to avoid crappy mobile graphics cards and allow expansion
c) decently priced graphics cards for Mac Pros
d) CURRENT graphics cards for Mac Pros

You sir want a windows PC you can build yourself. Then you can have all of the above. Sure you'l have to hackintosh to get OS X. But that's the sacrifice you'll have to make.
 
They're the future. They're in demand (or rather, the iPad is), and some of the biggest names in tech are betting their future on them.

And what we have with the iPad is an iPod situation.

Tablets of any kind are 99% of the time used for dicking around, nothing more. Youre not going to see developers, designers, animators, photographers, etc. use one. Everything a tablet can do, any laptop or desktop does it too as well as more and better.

However, I know youre only defending the tablet market because you've got blinders on, anything thats Apple related you praise to no end. The proof is in your post here too, you assume that only the iPad is in demand.... LOL! The iPad is going to windup just like OS X; closed system with a small market share in the end. Open platforms, in this case Android will prove iOS inferior... if it hasnt already. Its the problem with OS X (being further by the iPadification of OS X as well as the whole 'app store').

Anyway, its pretty sad to see even apple evangelists like yourself dismiss other Apple products that professionals need, general users really want, and products that deliver actual POWER rather than some eight hundred dollar toy thats locked into iTunes and doesnt have a filebrowser or expansion.

Please refrain from arrogance when entering topics where the iPad has no place, thank you.
 
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Now I hope Aspyr adds Quake Wars to complete the IdTech collection. Much better multiplayer than Quake 4.

I’m glad of this, just because I like the game. but I do not like the old disc-based copy protection! (It’s not my favorite—it’s just a linear quest, which I’m occasionally in the mood for—but enough fun that I want to go back and finish it. If I could only have one linear quest, I’d pick Prey or BioShock. Maybe Half-Life 2, which I’ve just gone back to play and can’t yet judge...)

As for people saying you wouldn’t want to play these games on Mac... I’ve played just about every IdTech game on fairly low-spec Macs, and even my current MacBook Air. Not only have they looked good, they’ve been fun! True, I lack bragging rights on the top-end graphics boards. I’d love to have those bragging rights. Failing that, the games themselves are still great fun.

Now, rebooting to Windows and back (and keeping it patched and secure) is NOT fun, and thus unacceptable to me for gaming. Let me launch a game when I want to play, and not have to make a big production out of it... let me keep my other apps and windows open. Let me have the Mac version :)
 
My personal thoughts on graphics:
Why does it matter?

Is a story made better because it can be told in HD instead of DVD quality?

Is a game made more fun because it has a mind boggling number of triangles running at a frame faster than the eye can see as opposed to being sprite based running at 30 fps?

The answer in both cases is... Not at all!

There have been great movies made in HD and there were great movies made in black and white. There were great sprite based games and there have been great realistic games. And there have been terrible movies throughout the ages and terrible games.

Graphics are severely overrated.

Also, why are they even being discussed here? My 2007 iMac runs Quake 4 in whatever the stupid high quality mode is called (Ultra? Omega? Something like that...) at over 60 fps. Quake 4 isn't exactly a top end game graphically these days.

And as much as I love the campaign, I still have the Mac OS X DVD, so I don't need to pay for it again.

... Although quick question... I recall Doom 3 had an expansion pack that wasn't released for the Mac originally... has it since been released for the Mac?

You'd have a point if the game was developed with less than stellar visuals, but your way off the mark.

If Crysis was released for Mac OS, you would never experience what the developers WANTED you to experience. Instead you'd be stuck with an awful resolution (good luck playing that on an iMac with mobile graphics on a 27" screen) or settings that are reasonable but with a framerate and lag that would make you want to throw your Mac out the window.

Pretty graphics arent the be all and end all of gaming, but when your graphics card in your Mac sucks and renders a game unplayable (or barely).... well, you know the rest.

If Apple ever released a headless iMac, I'd be *ALL OVER IT*
 
If Apple released a mid-tower system, with the guts of an iMac and more BTO options in a mid-tower like the Mac Pro but for what a PowerMac used to cost (~$1500), man, that would be awesome.

Solution: a second-hand, previous gen Mac Pro. I bought a 2008 Mac Pro in 2010 for around that price, and I think it was worth it.
 
You sir want a windows PC you can build yourself. Then you can have all of the above. Sure you'l have to hackintosh to get OS X. But that's the sacrifice you'll have to make.

Been there, done that.

I actually considered getting my own parts that would be the equivalent of a Mac Pro with a superior ATI graphics card, but in the end, the price difference wasnt that far off.... what really put me off was that I was only saving a few hundred dollars but had to give up easy updates, apple support and worst of all, having to put a ridiculously ugly PC case into my room. No chance in hell was I going to allow an ugly monstrosity enter my workspace. I was more than glad to throw in a few hundred to have the Mac Pro case.

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Solution: a second-hand, previous gen Mac Pro. I bought a 2008 Mac Pro in 2010 for around that price, and I think it was worth it.

Youre still limited with choice in video cards though. The only way around that is to either pay up and get a flashed version compatible for mac (they usually sell higher) OR spend the time and flash the card yourself (and risk bricking it).

Apple's made the whole experience of getting professional grade graphics cards a gigantic pain in the a$$. I've always been surprised by it though when Apple used to (when it cared about its professional user base) refer to itself as a company for the media professionals. What a joke.
 
Tablets of any kind are 99% of the time used for dicking around, nothing more.

Ballmer? Is that you? :confused:

LOL

You're in for quite a shock. Sit back and enjoy watching the next 5-7 years. They'll be all about Apple. (and their iPad.)
 
Ballmer? Is that you? :confused:

LOL

You're in for quite a shock. Sit back and enjoy watching the next 5-7 years. They'll be all about Apple. (and their iPad.)

Yeah, I'll thoroughly enjoy watching grandma and grandpa use their tablet toy while I use my computer to get real work done and then some.
 
I have a current model iMac with 16 gb ram 10.7.3 2.8 gHz Intel Core i7 and I have no damn sound on this game. Can someone help me please. I have bose speakers hooked up and all my sound works internally and externally except on this game any tips? I did see something in the menu that my sound card doesn't accept OpenGL or something how could that be
 
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