How is that software a secret though? You just measure packet loss and battery drain at various power levels, then draw a chart with the results.
There’s nothing there a company like Intel would bother stealing.
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Qualcomm and Apple Partnership Crumbled Over Fears Apple Would Leak Qualcomm Software to Competitors
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There’s nothing there a company like Intel would bother stealing.
Verizon will begin the shutdown on CDMA near the end of 2019. Sprint may be the only holdout pending on the TMO merger. They simply do not have the resources like the other three to begin a CDMA shutdown and convert.
Yes, that’s true. But the US has a substantial population and is a huge market. Qualcomm sucks and I cannot wait for CDMA to be ditched. Ideally, I would like to see Samsung and Google use proprietary SoCs so competition could be more fierce.
5G might be a huge battery drain at launch. Plus, I wouldn’t trust the first gen Qualcomm 5G modem. It will be better than Intel, but I can’t stand Qualcomm.
Not much of a sales slump, more of a guidance reduction; which is quite the difference.
So basically Qualcomm was fundamentally paranoid about Apple’s engineers’ intent, but those fears were assuaged by commitment to a purchase order. Whatever, Qualcomm.
We are in 2019, we have Google. If you had seen following any of these threads for the past months, reading about what some people pointed out, have the Interest to find out if of those argument point stands.... you should have known this has absolutely nothing to do CDMA. Well I guess part of the problem most of the Apple News Site ( Especially Appleinsider ) never seems to point out any of these.
Qualcomm owns ~30% of the LTE patents, and some of the most important ones that are worth more. Similar scenario with 5G. You are not going to get away with Qualcomm.
I wish it was that simple. You can access the Standard and implement it. You are right about accessing the documents and standards. But that licensing does not cover anything you are about to sell. You have to pay FRAND fess to all patents holders, and it is up to the devices manufacture to do it, or some OEM will do it for you as part of the services like Foxconn.
And there are lots of IP out there, you could buy 50% of a Modem Hardware Blueprint, and customise the rest. The major challenge is software, testing and tuning as I have stated zillion of times. And if some how 50% of the post in this thread so far think stealing the code is not a big deal, I don't think the discussions will go anywhere because we have some fundamental different view of basic values and principles.
( And that email story is quite old, may be Mac-rumours should have a reference link to it )
P.S- When I read Jeff said Firewall, that was a quote directly coming out of Samsung CEO when they tried to get Apple back to Samsung Fab.
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Maybe. I just remember like in 2010 hearing that the only "backwards" countries using CDMA were the US and Chine (or Japan).
The problems with CDMA back then were: 1) slow 3G speeds (I think "3g" was limited to like 3.5 mbps down) and 2) lack of simultaneous data and cellular.
Number 2 has been solved (at least on Verizon) and so has Number 1 with LTE.
Not sure why Verizon and Sprint didn't take the opportunity to drop CDMA during the LTE switch. I'm sure there is a good reason I am not aware of.
Anyway, GSM always seemed to be a vastly superior technology to me. That was like VHS to CDMA's Betamax.
This article is from Bloomberg News and wrttien by Ian King and Mark Gurman. Those two guys are very well respected.
The spy chip story was in Bloomberg Businessweek and written by some unknown author. Businessweek is basically the tabloid arm of Bloomberg.
Um. Apple's customers and Qualcomm's customers are two very different relationships. Not even comparable at all.
This is what Qualcomm says. Doesn’t mean Apple has done it. For all we know Intel obtained it some other way. I mean heck Intel has CDMA licenses from Qualcomm I imagine that would required software development tools access as well. Qualcomm has tons of partners not just Apple.
Of course Apple could have done it. Just all we guessing at this point.
Qualcomm's software requires an NDA to use and is more than just measuring packet loss and battery drain.
Intel would love to get their hands on Qualcomm's testing/diagnostics suite of software. Qualcomm doesn't allow other modem manufacturers to use it. Period.
It's not sold, it's "loaned" to vendors (like Apple) under NDA. Qualcomm does not sell it.
While it could be true, I have a hard time believing that Apple actively provided and encouraged Intel engineers to use Qualcomm's code directly. Apple was super shady here, so we don't know, but I would believe something more along the lines of Apple internally using that knowledge to expand their R&D and then providing specs to Intel - their MO is generally to try to get at the big dogs through self investment that results in a differing/better product that can't be competed with rather than stealing secrets that exist .
"Prior to Apple, Jeff worked for the IBM Corporation from 1985 to 1998 in a number of operations and engineering roles. He holds a bachelor’s degree in Mechanical Engineering from North Carolina State University and an MBA from Duke University." -- https://www.apple.com/leadership/jeff-williams/
Thanks for confirming he’s not a computer engineer.
According to legal Qualcomm's filing:
"For example, on information and belief, Apple engineers working to incorporate Intel chipsets into Apple devices (whose access to Qualcomm trade secrets or confidential information in the first instance breached the MSA), after becoming aware of certain performance deficiencies with Intel's chipset solutions, repeatedly accessed, used, and provided to Intel engineers Qualcomm software and confidential information, including source code, for the purpose of improving the performance of Intel's chipset solutions. On information and belief, this unauthorized access, use, and disclosure was independently initiated by Apple on some occasions and affirmatively requested by Intel on others, beginning at least several years ago and continuing through the present. Further, Apple engineers repeatedly used Qualcomm's software development tools and related highly confidential files to open and process Qualcomm log files to provide to Intel, again for the purpose of improving Intel's chipset solutions. Intel engineers even complained to Apple engineers about being unable to open Qualcomm log files, which Apple had provided to Intel, for lack of the appropriate Qualcomm tools. In response, Apple engineers routinely used Qualcomm tools to create post-processed log files, which they then sent to Intel engineers to use in improving Intel's chipset solutions."
APPLE DOESN'T LEAK.
QUALCOMM HAS CONTRACT PROVISIONS WELL BEYOND THEIR SKIS.
THIS DISPUTE IS QUALLCOMM'S FAULT AND IT WILL TAKE YEARS FOR THAT FACT TO BE DETERMINED IN COURT BECAUSE OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IS BADLY BROKEN.
QUALCOMM HAS CONTRACT PROVISIONS WELL BEYOND THEIR SKIS.
THIS DISPUTE IS QUALLCOMM'S FAULT AND IT WILL TAKE YEARS FOR THAT FACT TO BE DETERMINED IN COURT BECAUSE OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IS BADLY BROKEN.