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Qualcomm Employee: 64-Bit A7 Chip 'Hit Us In The Gut'
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heh heh, you know you tabs problem is caused by dram size and has nothing to do with the 64 bits processor, right? Read up some more about processor architecture before making yourself sound really silly.
)I would have gladly traded 64 bit for 2gigs of memory when I had the iPhone 5s. There was no performance difference between the 5 and 5s from a speed standpoint. The paper benchmarks vs. real world performance is disappointing. This was the primary reason for not getting the new ipad's. Just knew that a device with 1gig would not last me more than a year once Apple makes the move to 2 gig.
And when 64 bit becomes a requirement most of us will be on iPhone 7s or 8.
And when 64 bit becomes a requirement most of us will be on iPhone 7s or 8.
Umm no. It's just bad programming. I can have multiple tabs open on my iphone 5 using google chrome without any issues. I have an iPad 4 and I have no issues with tabs in chrome.
64bit doesn't = more tabs. It's a marketing gimmick. They fix Safari and then add 64bit processor and you automatically equate 64bit with tabs. When that isn't accurate at all. They just fixed the problem in the browser.
64bit doesn't = more tabs. It's a marketing gimmick. They fix Safari and then add 64bit processor and you automatically equate 64bit with tabs. When that isn't accurate at all. They just fixed the problem in the browser.
Well apparently you do so maybe elaborate a little? Oh wait you didn't elaborate because you don't have a clue in what you're talking about. You don't even work in the IT industry do ya?
I agree. Usually, 64-bit doesn't do anything. But it's good to have support for it.
The question is how much money are we going to spend? Apple could have builded a model that double the ram and charge extra for it. But how many users will pony up the extra money?
No it doesn't! Especially when running something in shiny new 64-bit uses enough extra RAM to make you run out of it.
Here's also one case to destroy the whole "64-bit is better than 32-bit ALWAYS" argument:
int a = 0; for (int i = 0; i<99999; i++){ a++; }
I've measured it to use about double the RAM running 64-bit.
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But, but... I saw the words "Low Memory" in some system logs, and that means there is not enough RAM!!! Sure, I don't know very much about this stuff, but I'm almost certainly right.
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And have you ever thought that it's not a memory leak, but the Macrumors home page actually does take up 100 megabytes of RAM?!? Of course it loaded in 2s, but I have a pretty fast internet connection.
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See my prior post about the ARMv8-64bit instruction set and it's power consumption benefits over identical apps compiled to ARMv8-32bit. The arch makes a big difference it's how Apple reduced the size of iPads, increased performance and kept the same level of battery life while running a generally more hungry OS.
I've never run out of RAM on an iPhone (leaving out times when I was hacking it). The app forgetting its state is either the developer's fault for not implementing it well or Apple's fault for forcing it to close due to a regulation, or both.
64bit processing is good for vmware ESXi or other virtualization applications, Microsoft exchange, Microsoft SQL, and server applications such as Micros to process credit cards.
I have my doubts you'll be running any of those on your phone.
I have my doubts you'll be running any of those on your phone.
I hate those problems too - they annoy me so much! On my iphone 5! So as these are stupid 64bit problems, I also hate Apple for secretly updating my iphone 5 to 64bit through iOS7.
Yes it does. CPU 64bit instruction sets do not operate the same as 32bit instruction sets. ARMv8-64 is the only modern instruction set in wide usage today. Every other one is 10+ years old and the newer instructions come with a massive array of speed up and efficiencies especially focused on battery life.
Not for me, but if it does, maybe they should add some kind of auto-tab-closing feature or make it more convenient to close them. I have so many tabs open from months ago that I forgot about.
I believe that Apple is looking to push the envelope with what the tablet form factor can be useful for, and will soon come out with some 'pro' level iPad. If I am right, and Apple wants to make a high powered tablet device, then the sooner-then-expected move to 64 bit iOS positions Apple well for an impending iPad 'Pro' with higher performing CPUs, GPUs and RAM. I think Apple is changing the conditions, and so 64 bit is essential for them in the immediate future.
Dreaming a little bit: A huge 13" tablet with 64bit OS and 4+ GB ram doing some serious Audio, Photo and Video editing on a touch screen could be amazing...
It all depends on how you use your iPad. Like I said above, 64-bit apps do eat up more memory, but it's hard to predict how much exactly. Most of them only consume a little more in comparison. Like if you use your iPad for watching movies, checking out Facebook, and looking at web pages on Safari, you won't notice much difference. It'll eat up more ram, but it won't be by much. Not enough that it starts actually effecting how you use your iPad.
But if you use Pages, and Procreate, and VJay (olol), you'll start feeling cramped on 64-bit a little sooner than you would on 32-bit with just a gig of memory.
Right now, you can get by with just a gig of memory. It'd be nice to have 2, but 1 works. But like you said, it might limit the life of this generation of iDevices, and tie their staying power to the last two. This'll be especially true of the iPad, which has more developers making more complicated apps for it that are more likely to start maxing out the available ram. Unless Apple sticks with 1GB for another year, it'll make the currently brand new iPad Air and Retina Mini feel like a stepping stone devices. Kinda like the iPad 3 in a way.
Some people don't see a difference between 64bit and lot of other improvements which were implemented only for 64 bit mode in A7. Here real life sample for you: if you will need to reload page instead of using cached version of page (because 64 bit apps need more memory for code and data) it could be hundred times slower vs 32 bit version. It is not always faster - 64bit could hurt when there are not enough free RAM or CPU cache.
You forgot to insert:
Know-littles write fact less columns about Apple not being able to innovate (even when the phone has a fingerprint scanner)
Know-nothing's retool last year's pieces about Steve Jobs being dead by inserting names of new Apple products.
People complain that Apple product does not make space flight possible out of the box.
The CPU cache is designed as part of the CPU. They will design it with ample cache in mind even if iOS7 may not be fully optimized yet.
They can also compress code using the algorithm they acquired a few months ago. In general, we should see overall speed up for the new devices as Apple refine iOS7 more.
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Yes !