Qualcomm Expects Apple to 'Solely' Use Intel Modems for 2018 iPhones

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple does not have plans to use Qualcomm's LTE chips in its next-generation devices, Qualcomm's CFO said today during Qualcomm's second quarter earnings call.

    As relayed by CNBC, Qualcomm CFO George Davis told investors Apple will use a competitor's chips in its 2018 iPhones, likely speaking of Intel.

    "We believe Apple intends to solely use our competitors' modems rather than our modems in its next iPhone release. We will continue to provide modems for Apple legacy devices," said Davis.


    Over the course of the last few months, there have been mixed reports about Apple's LTE chip plans given the legal disagreement between the two companies. Respected Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said in February that Intel would be the supplier of LTE modems for all 2018 iPhones, with Apple using no Qualcomm chips.

    Kuo's report was called into question in April when Fast Company said that Intel would supply Apple with 70 percent of the LTE chips needed for the 2018 iPhones while Qualcomm would provide the rest, but it appears that report was inaccurate.

    Qualcomm's statement today is also in line with an October report from The Wall Street Journal suggesting Apple would eliminate Qualcomm chips from its 2018 iPhone and iPad lineup, instead using chips from Intel and perhaps MediaTek.

    Apple's decision not to use Qualcomm chips in its latest crop of iPhones is understandable given the increasingly bitter legal battle the two companies have been embroiled in for more than a year.

    Apple in January 2017 sued Qualcomm for $1 billion, accusing Qualcomm of charging unfair royalties for "technologies they have nothing to do with" and failing to pay quarterly rebates. Apple and its suppliers stopped paying licensing fees at that time.

    While Apple insists Qualcomm charges unfair royalties, Qualcomm claims that its technology "is at the heart of every iPhone."

    It didn't take long for Qualcomm to file a countersuit claiming that Apple had infringed on several of its patents. Since then, both companies have filed multiple lawsuits against one another, and Qualcomm has also sought import and export bans on some iPhones in the United States and China.

    Apple has used Qualcomm chips in its iPhones for years, but until the legal dispute is resolved, the iPhone X, iPhone 8, and iPhone 8 Plus could be the last iPhones with Qualcomm chips.

    Apple is rumored to be working on its own Apple-designed modem chips for future iPhones, but until its own technology is ready, Apple devices may be equipped with Intel technology.

    Rumors suggest that Apple's 2018 iPhones will use Intel's XMM 7560 modems, which support both GSM and CDMA networks. Apple is said to be planning to introduce improved antenna technology for faster connection speeds and dual-SIM dual standby functionality.

    Qualcomm today reported better-than-expected quarterly results with $5.6 billion in revenue and earnings of $1.01 per share. Qualcomm saw "strong demand" from Chinese device makers amid "lower demand" from Apple.

    Article Link: Qualcomm Expects Apple to 'Solely' Use Intel Modems for 2018 iPhones
  2. Lobwedgephil macrumors 601


    Apr 7, 2012
  3. usersince86 macrumors 6502


    Oct 24, 2002
    Columbus, Ohio
  4. geoff5093 macrumors 68020


    Sep 16, 2014
    Dover, NH
    Damn... Too bad Qualcomm makes the best modems.
  5. rjohnstone macrumors 68040


    Dec 28, 2007
    PHX, AZ.
    Qualcomm will still make money from the patent licenses. No, they won't make as much as they did before, but there will still be a revenue stream from iPhones.
  6. Glideslope macrumors 603


    Dec 7, 2007
    A quiet place in NY.
    The NXP Deal is off the table now. Let’s see the value over the next Q. :apple:
    --- Post Merged, Jul 25, 2018 ---
    I thought Apple had stopped paying the license fees? Lawsuit? :apple:
  7. rjohnstone macrumors 68040


    Dec 28, 2007
    PHX, AZ.
    Intel will be the one paying.
    They are still required to use Qualcomm's patents regardless of who builds the modem.
  8. techwhiz macrumors 6502a

    Feb 22, 2010
    Northern Ca.
    You can't build a wireless device without paying Qualcomm.
    Well you can, it just won't be fast or efficient.
  9. fairuz macrumors 68000


    Aug 27, 2017
    Silicon Valley
    Now Qualcomm will be suing Intel. But this is all stuff very few people at Apple care about; best to let Intel deal with it for them.
  10. aka777, Jul 25, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2018

    aka777 macrumors 6502a

    Mar 13, 2012
    Nothing "good" about this. Apple has just decided to go with the inferior infineon/intel wireless chipset, basically out of spite.

    Also, if you are going to price a phone at $1k, you better be putting in components that are worth $1k. I don’t only need a fast CPU today, as its a phone and not the 90s. The GPU, the 'wireless' chipsets / cellular speeds, battery life, and the signal strength (antenna design) are more important features of a phone.

    This sort of hubris crap is the one thing I really cannot stand about apple. It's the same deal with using year old CPUs for their Mac lineups, even when the gen 9 Intel cpus are just around the corner.

    Much like most of the Bay Area, Apple seems to be confusing their luck of being at the right place at the right time (i.e. iPhone 1) with some sort of ingenious success.
  11. m0sher macrumors 6502


    Mar 4, 2018
    Intel is no slouch, so the move is solid if there is cost savings.
  12. JPack macrumors 68040


    Mar 27, 2017
    Another slam dunk prediction from Ming-Chi Kuo.

    KGI Expects Intel to Be Exclusive Supplier of Modems in 2018 iPhones

    Intel's modems are a half generation behind Qualcomm, but with Gigabit LTE and 4x4 MIMO on the current products, they're extremely competitive. Intel is about a year behind Qualcomm in terms of 5G, but Apple doesn't need to adopt the bleeding edge modems.
  13. macduke macrumors G3


    Jun 27, 2007
    Central U.S.
    I haven't noticed any real-world improvements over the years in the speed of my LTE modems. The iPhone 5 was the first generation to have one and it was okay. Newer modems have added newer bands which helps with building penetration. But when it comes to average speed, my iPhone 5 would get 20-40Mbps. My iPhone 6 Plus got 20-40Mbps. My iPhone 6s got 20-40Mbps. My iPhone 7 got 20-40Mbps. My iPhone X gets 20-40Mbps. And my iPhone X2 whatever will get 20-40Mbps. It's not until 5G is widely available that speeds will improve by a meaningful amount. And that might be precisely where Qualcomm will have an edge. We'll see. For now Apple is putting the hurt on them. Hopefully Apple is working on developing their own modems—but the problem is all the patents surrounding this "standard" technology.
  14. zombierunner macrumors 65816


    Jan 18, 2011
  15. ksec, Jul 25, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2018

    ksec macrumors 6502

    Dec 23, 2015
    it will be likely be the Intel 7560 modem, which is equal or better then the X20 / Snapdragon 845 the article quoted. And given there isn't yet 7nm modem or Snapdragon SoC yet, the Intel 14nm 7560 modem will also likely be the most advance on the market when it launch. Which is the first time iPhone has had leading mobile modem technology ahead of others.

    I really hope Intel don't mess this up.
  16. Craiger macrumors 6502a


    Jul 11, 2007
    Article says 7580 modem, but isn’t it the 7560 from intel? Is there a newer one?
  17. heov macrumors regular

    Aug 16, 2002
    Do what you gotta do, Apple, to stay the most profitable company. If you can get a better deal on chips, even at the cost of a few Mbps, we will still pay you top dollar as if they were the best available. We'll let you keep the change, Apple.

    Be sure to sue them out the door on their prized wireless technical patents, and be sure to protect your rounded corners (or whatever) and rubber band effect patemts
  18. Andres Cantu macrumors 68030

    Andres Cantu

    May 31, 2015
    Rio Grande Valley in South Texas
    I'd much rather have Intel only vs. both Intel and Qualcomm. Nothing worse than differences that are not clear to the consumer and unadvertised.

    Of course, Qualcomm only would be better, but still, this is much better than the current situation since the iPhone 7.
  19. ksec macrumors 6502

    Dec 23, 2015
    Very likely the article is wrong. There is only 7560 from Intel.
  20. tridley68 macrumors 6502a


    Aug 28, 2014
    Can't blame Apple for this since Qualcomm is in a legal battle with Apple get them we're it hurts Apple.
  21. TimmeyCook Suspended


    Jun 20, 2018
    Took this at a crowded mall


    So... how did I do this? It's several times faster than the speeds that Qualcomm touts... and it's a Qualcomm modem...

    Where it hurts?

    Do you realize that Qualcomm's business model for modems is to get a percentage from the retail price?

    Do you realize that Apple's phones sell at an average that's several times greater than the average Android?

    This is really going to hurt Qualcomm, let's see where the "innovation" goes when the money goes...
  22. JPack macrumors 68040


    Mar 27, 2017
    Qualcomm is quoting average speed test results in Ookla.

    The Qualcomm MDM9635 modem in iPhone 6s already supports up to 300 Mbps.
  23. mi7chy macrumors 603


    Oct 24, 2014
    I guess if customers are fine with Apple pocketing the profit while customers suffer with poorer reception and throughput.
  24. tito2020 macrumors 6502a

    Oct 16, 2011
    Make America Great Agian ! Use USA company intel
  25. BootsWalking macrumors 6502a

    Feb 1, 2014
    Sue for what? Intel has the rights to CDMA technology/patents via their purchase of VIA Telecom.

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